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Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:31 pm

This has become an annual tradition on a.net. So let's post all the airports' finally tallies as they come in.

Some of the smaller airports already have their number in. YEG is the only one of Canada's big 8 (i.e. YVR, YEG, YYC, YWG, YYZ, YOW, YUL & YHZ) that I have thus far seen with year-end grand totals.

YEG:
Domestic: 6,023,658 +6.9%
Transborder: 879,833 -4.0% (the last 6 months though were +1.5%)
International: 474,139 +0.0001% (they served exactly 7 more international pax in 2017 vs. 2016)
Total: 7,377,630 +5% (I don't count their FBO oil patch pax that inflate their numbers)

New Brunswick's airports:
YQM: 665,630 +1.3% (2nd highest yearly total ever)
YFC: 397,741 +5.23% (record)
YSJ: 263,719 +5.2% (record)

Ontario:
YQT: 844,627 +4.6% (record)
YHM: 599,146 +80% - they're still about 1/2 million pax off their peak, but assuming Flair doesn't fail, with Swoop (and maybe Jetlines) on the way, YHM should have another boom year.

Post more airports here as you find them.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:53 pm

YYC was 16.3 million pax for 2017, a 3.8% increase YOY.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:06 pm

YUL was 18.16M pax for 2017, a 9,5% increase YOY. (i.e. 1.57M more pax)
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:46 pm

YVR - 24.1M in 2017.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:35 pm

YHZ surpassed the 4 million mark with 4,083,188 passengers in 2017, a 4.5% increase over the record set the previous year.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:29 pm

YYJ was up 4.2% YoY to 1.9 million passengers. Domestic was up 5.1% (to 1.626 million), transborder down 0.9% (to 280k) and international up 7.8% (to 29k).
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:34 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
This has become an annual tradition on a.net. So let's post all the airports' finally tallies as they come in.

Some of the smaller airports already have their number in. YEG is the only one of Canada's big 8 (i.e. YVR, YEG, YYC, YWG, YYZ, YOW, YUL & YHZ) that I have thus far seen with year-end grand totals.

YEG:
Domestic: 6,023,658 +6.9%
Transborder: 879,833 -4.0% (the last 6 months though were +1.5%)
International: 474,139 +0.0001% (they served exactly 7 more international pax in 2017 vs. 2016)
Total: 7,377,630 +5% (I don't count their FBO oil patch pax that inflate their numbers)


Why not count the oil patch numbers? All airports count their non terminal passengers. In 2017, YEG served over 7.8 million passengers, according to this press release.

http://flyeia.com/news/edmonton-interna ... 16-million

BTW, where did you get your numbers? They are not available yet on flyeia.com.
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:34 pm

Dominion301 wrote:

YEG:
Domestic: 6,023,658 +6.9%
Transborder: 879,833 -4.0% (the last 6 months though were +1.5%)
International: 474,139 +0.0001% (they served exactly 7 more international pax in 2017 vs. 2016)
Total: 7,377,630 +5% (I don't count their FBO oil patch pax that inflate their numbers).

What about the non-FBO flights to the oil patch - such as the WS flights to Suncor’s YFI which go through the main terminal?
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:02 am

YSB 271,000 +18.3%
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:36 am

Started updating the list on wiki as well. Didn't include YEG as a source isn't available yet with the exact number.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... anada#2017
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:39 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
This has become an annual tradition on a.net. So let's post all the airports' finally tallies as they come in.

Some of the smaller airports already have their number in. YEG is the only one of Canada's big 8 (i.e. YVR, YEG, YYC, YWG, YYZ, YOW, YUL & YHZ) that I have thus far seen with year-end grand totals.

YEG:
Domestic: 6,023,658 +6.9%
Transborder: 879,833 -4.0% (the last 6 months though were +1.5%)
International: 474,139 +0.0001% (they served exactly 7 more international pax in 2017 vs. 2016)
Total: 7,377,630 +5% (I don't count their FBO oil patch pax that inflate their numbers)


Why not count the oil patch numbers? All airports count their non terminal passengers. In 2017, YEG served over 7.8 million passengers, according to this press release.

http://flyeia.com/news/edmonton-interna ... 16-million

BTW, where did you get your numbers? They are not available yet on flyeia.com.


FBO numbers were 429,754. YEG is great with sharing their info. If anyone wants a monthly break down of passenger numbers just email them and get on their list. I got the final December numbers in my email Jan 12.
Very shortly after they started this quite some years back someone messed up an email setting and CC'd it instead of BCC'd. It was very interesting scanning the emails. Naturally there were quite a few businesses around Alberta but there were lots of airlines around the world as well. Even better, some exec from some airline in the Middle East or Asia commented and hit "reply all".
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:02 pm

Y U L - 2 0 1 7

18,160,223 / +9,5% / +1,571,156 pax

Domestic: 6,916,725 / +7,5% / +485,034

International: 7,135,975 / +13,5% / +847,115

Transborder: 4,107,523 / +6,2% / +239,007

International growth accounted for 53,9% of 2017 growth

International traffic was 39+% of total pax in 2017
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:37 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Started updating the list on wiki as well. Didn't include YEG as a source isn't available yet with the exact number.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... anada#2017


Like Bingo1 above, I'm also on YEG's pax stats monthly mailing list. You just have to send them an email to sign up. They send them to you before they get posted online. Trust me, they're legit. In case anyone's wondering the FBO pax count was 429,754 = -13.6%, but FBO traffic grew in Q4 by 17.6%.

ACDC8 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

YEG:
Domestic: 6,023,658 +6.9%
Transborder: 879,833 -4.0% (the last 6 months though were +1.5%)
International: 474,139 +0.0001% (they served exactly 7 more international pax in 2017 vs. 2016)
Total: 7,377,630 +5% (I don't count their FBO oil patch pax that inflate their numbers).

What about the non-FBO flights to the oil patch - such as the WS flights to Suncor’s YFI which go through the main terminal?


Generally airport pax totals include anything that passes through the airport's terminal(s) as any major airport will handle charters throughout the year at their ATB(s). The terminal is run by the airport where they collect all the terminal-related fees vs the FBO where all the airport will collect is rent. YEG is the only airport I know of that reports FBO pax.

YUL had another spectacular year. They will likely reach 20 million in 2019.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:06 pm

YYC's final numbers are out:

Domestic: 11,436,060 +2.54%
Transborder: 3,124,347 +6.09%
International: 1,715,455 +8.39%
Total: 16,275,862 +3.8%
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:12 pm

Winnipeg - YWG 4.3 Million

http://www.waa.ca/media/news/article/770/winnipeg-airports-authority-inc-2017-fourth-quarter-results-unaudited

Leslieville wrote:
YVR - 24.1M in 2017.


Surprising 8 or 9 years ago YVR was able to leap over YUL being Canada's second biggest city......
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:44 pm

bmacleod wrote:
Winnipeg - YWG 4.3 Million

http://www.waa.ca/media/news/article/770/winnipeg-airports-authority-inc-2017-fourth-quarter-results-unaudited

Leslieville wrote:
YVR - 24.1M in 2017.


Surprising 8 or 9 years ago YVR was able to leap over YUL being Canada's second biggest city......


YVR's been 2nd to YYZ for a long, long time. Probably since the late 1970s as even though Montreal's total pax traffic was greater than YVR's back then, the split YUL/YMX operation meant YUL's total count was lower than YVR's in the 1980s.

Stellar year for YWG.

YAM's 2017 pax total was 212,831 = +0.6% vs. 2016. (http://saultairport.com/about/events/)
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:21 pm

bmacleod wrote:
Winnipeg - YWG 4.3 Million

http://www.waa.ca/media/news/article/770/winnipeg-airports-authority-inc-2017-fourth-quarter-results-unaudited

Leslieville wrote:
YVR - 24.1M in 2017.


Surprising 8 or 9 years ago YVR was able to leap over YUL being Canada's second biggest city......


YVR has been #2 for a long, long, long time. It's been like that for over 30 years.

The YUL/YMX split (among other things) hurt Montreal and set its air service development back by decades. It is finally, now, catching up...20 years after consolidating air traffic back to YUL.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:29 pm

Anyone know YCD? I imagine their numbers should be up quite a bit with Westjet growing quite a bit there.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:18 pm

Very nice to see YVR over 24M.

Just a few year ago they were lagging behind and seemed to be stuck at at 16-17M.

Finally growing at record pace to where they really should be.

Hope to see YUL cross 20m and YYZ cross 50m soon.

YYZ should be around 47M +/- this year
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:48 pm

chrisp390 wrote:
Anyone know YCD? I imagine their numbers should be up quite a bit with Westjet growing quite a bit there.


I couldn't find anything full-year numbers for them, but as per this article YCD was at 201k = +5% for the first 1/2 of 2017: https://www.ladysmithchronicle.com/news ... f-of-2017/. That's like 75k more than when all YCD had was AC puddling jumping DH1s/DH3s to YVR. That runway expansion from a few years back has paid off massively for them.

YCD's boom should continue this year with AC adding 4x weekly Rouge to YYZ (YCD's first-ever jet service) and a new daily Q400 to YYC just announced earlier this week.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:39 pm

Noise wrote:
The YUL/YMX split (among other things) hurt Montreal and set its air service development back by decades. It is finally, now, catching up...20 years after consolidating air traffic back to YUL.

I would not have said it better.
That YUL/YMX split (Int'l moved to YMX, transborder+domestic remaining in YUL) killed YUL "hub" critical mass literally overnight. There were other factors, but that was YUL coup de grace.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:44 pm

ExMilitaryEng wrote:
Noise wrote:
The YUL/YMX split (among other things) hurt Montreal and set its air service development back by decades. It is finally, now, catching up...20 years after consolidating air traffic back to YUL.

I would not have said it better.
That YUL/YMX split (Int'l moved to YMX, transborder+domestic remaining in YUL) killed YUL "hub" critical mass literally overnight. There were other factors, but that was YUL coup de grace.


I'd argue that to this day YMX's legacy is still hurting YOW's international air service (not to mention the incredibly restrictive bilaterals from +25 years ago that in many cases outright prevented routes from anywhere but YYZ or YMX). I'm hopeful that in the coming 5 years and large numbers of ETOPS MAXes and 321LRs come online that this too will finally be eliminated.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:56 pm

YVR

Total: 24,166,122 / +6.3% / +1,881,626

Domestic: 11,736,255 / +4,45% / +602,057

Transborder: 5,995,002 / +9,1% / +520,223

Asia Pacific: 4,073,254 / +15,27% / +546,189

Europe: 1,603,454 / +2,46% / +38,771
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:09 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
YVR

Total: 24,166,122 / +6.3% / +1,881,626

Domestic: 11,736,255 / +4,45% / +602,057

Transborder: 5,995,002 / +9,1% / +520,223

Asia Pacific: 4,073,254 / +15,27% / +546,189

Europe: 1,603,454 / +2,46% / +38,771


8.4%, not 6.3%
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:49 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
8.4%, not 6.3%


Uh? I calculated on the basis of 2016 numbers (22,284,496) being 100%; meaning 100% divided by 22,284,496 and multiplied by 24,166,122 (2017) which makes 106,33. An additional 6,33% over the previous year.
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:54 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
ExMilitaryEng wrote:
Noise wrote:
The YUL/YMX split (among other things) hurt Montreal and set its air service development back by decades. It is finally, now, catching up...20 years after consolidating air traffic back to YUL.

I would not have said it better.
That YUL/YMX split (Int'l moved to YMX, transborder+domestic remaining in YUL) killed YUL "hub" critical mass literally overnight. There were other factors, but that was YUL coup de grace.


I'd argue that to this day YMX's legacy is still hurting YOW's international air service (not to mention the incredibly restrictive bilaterals from +25 years ago that in many cases outright prevented routes from anywhere but YYZ or YMX). I'm hopeful that in the coming 5 years and large numbers of ETOPS MAXes and 321LRs come online that this too will finally be eliminated.


Yes, a convincing argument can be made for that as well.

I also generally believe that being 2 hours away from YUL fundamentally hurts YOW. The same can be said for YXU vis-à-vis YYZ/DTW.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:54 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
8.4%, not 6.3%


Uh? I calculated on the basis of 2016 numbers (22,284,496) being 100%; meaning 100% divided by 22,284,496 and multiplied by 24,166,122 (2017) which makes 106,33. An additional 6,33% over the previous year.


24,166,122 / 22,284,496 = 1.08443... so that's 8.443% increase.

Your equation is still valid, but there is a calculation error somewhere...
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:37 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Started updating the list on wiki as well. Didn't include YEG as a source isn't available yet with the exact number.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... anada#2017



Thanks for updating the list. Will you also update the larger list with domestic/transborder/international numbers?
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:13 am

Noise wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
ExMilitaryEng wrote:
I would not have said it better.
That YUL/YMX split (Int'l moved to YMX, transborder+domestic remaining in YUL) killed YUL "hub" critical mass literally overnight. There were other factors, but that was YUL coup de grace.


I'd argue that to this day YMX's legacy is still hurting YOW's international air service (not to mention the incredibly restrictive bilaterals from +25 years ago that in many cases outright prevented routes from anywhere but YYZ or YMX). I'm hopeful that in the coming 5 years and large numbers of ETOPS MAXes and 321LRs come online that this too will finally be eliminated.


Yes, a convincing argument can be made for that as well.

I also generally believe that being 2 hours away from YUL fundamentally hurts YOW. The same can be said for YXU vis-à-vis YYZ/DTW.


Oh there's no doubt about that, but back in the day people were essentially forced to drive from Ottawa to YMX to catch an international flight (save for Wardair's 2-3x weekly charters to LGW). There were a couple of domestic YOW-YMX feeder flights per day (on First Air!), but people were pretty much trained thanks in part to nonsensically restrictive bilaterals, to drive instead of demand better from their government. Now that markets are open, it's tough to change old habits, especially for the price sensitive leisure traveller. This is why with the new narrowbodies coming, YOW finally has an opportunity to attract more transatlantic air service. There is no reason whatsoever as to why YHZ has about triple the transatlantic capacity YOW has other than a) geography and b) the YOW Airport Authority's non-existent air service development capabilities compared with YHZ. YHZ wooed WS MAX routes overseas before YOW. That largely come downs to marketing/incentives.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:38 pm

Here's YXX, before Swoop starts service from there.

677,653 / +27,7% / +147,010
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:43 pm

nname wrote:
24,166,122 / 22,284,496 = 1.08443... so that's 8.443% increase.

Your equation is still valid, but there is a calculation error somewhere...


I've redone the calculation on my computer and I indeed get 8,44%. Good thing to know I can't rely on the other device I have.


Total: 24,166,122 / +8,44%

Domestic: 11,736,255 / +5,4%

Transborder: 5,995,002 / +9,7%

Asia Pacific: 4,073,254 / +15,4%

Europe: 1,603,454 / +2,48%
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:28 pm

bmacleod wrote:
Winnipeg - YWG 4.3 Million

http://www.waa.ca/media/news/article/770/winnipeg-airports-authority-inc-2017-fourth-quarter-results-unaudited

Leslieville wrote:
YVR - 24.1M in 2017.


Surprising 8 or 9 years ago YVR was able to leap over YUL being Canada's second biggest city......

Vancouver is no where near the size of Montreal in population.
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:27 pm

Great year for YHZ, 2018 should be stellar with the addition of Swoop and Westjet's new European flights. Amazingly close to YWG and with a metro only 1/2 this size.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:03 pm

YVR is growing passenger numbers pretty well, and quite a few airlines launched service there last year. HU will also be launching YVR this year as well, so that will also bring a little bit of growth to Asia.

I'm not trying to go off topic, but when are passenger numbers published for the worlds busiest airports? I can't seem to find it anywhere, but I do wonder how much HKG and PVG handled in 2017.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:28 pm

Along with the other reasons mentioned, YVR is busier than YUL because it's at a distance much more appropriate for air travel from most of the North American population. Clearly there are far more people travelling between YUL and YYZ than YVR and YYZ. The difference is that nearly all the people from YUL are on the 401, while very few from YVR are on the TransCanada. Just about the only major cities within reasonable driving distance of Vancouver are Seattle and Portland. From YUL, there are dozens.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:42 pm

Dominion301 wrote:

Generally airport pax totals include anything that passes through the airport's terminal(s) as any major airport will handle charters throughout the year at their ATB(s). The terminal is run by the airport where they collect all the terminal-related fees vs the FBO where all the airport will collect is rent. YEG is the only airport I know of that reports FBO pax.

Ok , thats what I thought - thanks :)
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:27 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
bmacleod wrote:
Winnipeg - YWG 4.3 Million

http://www.waa.ca/media/news/article/770/winnipeg-airports-authority-inc-2017-fourth-quarter-results-unaudited

Leslieville wrote:
YVR - 24.1M in 2017.


Surprising 8 or 9 years ago YVR was able to leap over YUL being Canada's second biggest city......

Vancouver is no where near the size of Montreal in population.


I was referring to airport traffic.
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:00 pm

bmacleod wrote:
I was referring to airport traffic.


Your choice of words to convey this is poor at best, complete shite at worst. But yeah, I think most of understood. :)
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:38 pm

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Here is YWG's 2017 breakdown by sector:
Domestic: 3,690,760 +8.5%
Transborder: 432,067 +2.8%
International: 182,917 -5.0%
Total: 4,305,744 +7.2%
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:16 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Oh there's no doubt about that, but back in the day people were essentially forced to drive from Ottawa to YMX to catch an international flight (save for Wardair's 2-3x weekly charters to LGW). There were a couple of domestic YOW-YMX feeder flights per day (on First Air!), but people were pretty much trained thanks in part to nonsensically restrictive bilaterals, to drive instead of demand better from their government. Now that markets are open, it's tough to change old habits, especially for the price sensitive leisure traveller. This is why with the new narrowbodies coming, YOW finally has an opportunity to attract more transatlantic air service. There is no reason whatsoever as to why YHZ has about triple the transatlantic capacity YOW has other than a) geography and b) the YOW Airport Authority's non-existent air service development capabilities compared with YHZ. YHZ wooed WS MAX routes overseas before YOW. That largely come downs to marketing/incentives.

Well, the reason why YHZ has triple the transatlantic capacity (vs YOW) is exactly as you said: geography. It's just closer to Europe. Transiting via YUL or YYZ implies backtracking. So non-stop flights make sense to some European destinations.

About those "nonsensically restrictive bilaterals", Montreal basically ceased to be the designated entry point (for European flights) at about the same time YMX opened. In addition to the stupid YMX/YUL traffic split, YMX was therefore deserted "en masse" the following years, to the benefit of YYZ. (And why do think YOW did not inherit some of those routes during that big shift to YYZ - O/D not big enough maybe?).

Since those last 30 years, where YMX/YUL fell into the abyss (stupid YMX/YUL split and not benefiting anymore from "nonsensically restrictive bilaterals"), YUL now gathers 7,135,975 international pax/year. There must some market traction in Montreal to explain it - it's not all artificial.

So YOW's problem is geography - not government. And it's less than 2hrs drive from YUL...

Actually, Ottawa is very lucky to have such a high concentration of high paid federal public servants - but that's another debate.

(FWIW, I work in Ottawa...)
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:45 pm

I've always been surprised that the huge number of highly paid Federal public sector workers in Ottawa (YOW) don't travel more. Ottawa has the second highest average salary level in Canada (after Calgary) while the "sun flights" down south are relatively anemic compared to other Canadian cities. Edmonton (provincial capital of Alberta) and Quebec City (province of Quebec capital) seem to be similar to some degree.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:01 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
YHM: 599,146 +80% - they're still about 1/2 million pax off their peak, but assuming Flair doesn't fail, with Swoop (and maybe Jetlines) on the way, YHM should have another boom year.


It's funny how only 265,778 additional passengers can push an airport in the fastest growing category. :) Maybe in one year YHM will be "battling" with YXX to stay in that category.

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/8088 ... in-canada/
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:38 pm

Standings of North American airports based on full year international passenger figures for 2017 (except otherwise noted):

Standings extrapolated based on potential full year figures.

1. JFK 29.9 million (til Nov '17)
2. YYZ 25.04 million (til Oct '17)
3. LAX 24.8 million
4. MIA 19.5 million (til Nov '17)
5. CUN 15.79 million
6. MEX 15.75 million
7. SFO 13.4 million
8. EWR 11.8 million (til Nov '17)
9. ORD 11.5 million (til Nov '17)
10. YVR 12.4 million
11. ATL 12.03 million
12. YUL 11.2 million
13. IAH 10.6 million
14. DFW 8.5 million
15. BOS 6.7 million (til Nov '17)
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:24 pm

^
forgot to add PTY, which last year, had 15.6 million international passengers.

So here is the updated list.

1. JFK 29.9 million (til Nov '17)
2. YYZ 25.04 million (til Oct '17)
3. LAX 24.8 million
4. MIA 19.5 million (til Nov '17)
5. CUN 15.79 million
6. MEX 15.75 million
7. PTY 15.6 million
8. SFO 13.4 million
9. EWR 11.8 million (til Nov '17)
10. ORD 11.5 million (til Nov '17)
11.YVR 12.4 million
12. ATL 12.03 million
13. YUL 11.2 million
14. IAH 10.3 million
15. DFW 8.5 million
16. BOS 6.7 million (til Nov '17)
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:04 am

Surprising to see YVR/YUL so close to ORD/ATL and YYZ so far ahead.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:34 am

ExMilitaryEng wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Oh there's no doubt about that, but back in the day people were essentially forced to drive from Ottawa to YMX to catch an international flight (save for Wardair's 2-3x weekly charters to LGW). There were a couple of domestic YOW-YMX feeder flights per day (on First Air!), but people were pretty much trained thanks in part to nonsensically restrictive bilaterals, to drive instead of demand better from their government. Now that markets are open, it's tough to change old habits, especially for the price sensitive leisure traveller. This is why with the new narrowbodies coming, YOW finally has an opportunity to attract more transatlantic air service. There is no reason whatsoever as to why YHZ has about triple the transatlantic capacity YOW has other than a) geography and b) the YOW Airport Authority's non-existent air service development capabilities compared with YHZ. YHZ wooed WS MAX routes overseas before YOW. That largely come downs to marketing/incentives.

Well, the reason why YHZ has triple the transatlantic capacity (vs YOW) is exactly as you said: geography. It's just closer to Europe. Transiting via YUL or YYZ implies backtracking. So non-stop flights make sense to some European destinations.

About those "nonsensically restrictive bilaterals", Montreal basically ceased to be the designated entry point (for European flights) at about the same time YMX opened. In addition to the stupid YMX/YUL traffic split, YMX was therefore deserted "en masse" the following years, to the benefit of YYZ. (And why do think YOW did not inherit some of those routes during that big shift to YYZ - O/D not big enough maybe?).

Since those last 30 years, where YMX/YUL fell into the abyss (stupid YMX/YUL split and not benefiting anymore from "nonsensically restrictive bilaterals"), YUL now gathers 7,135,975 international pax/year. There must some market traction in Montreal to explain it - it's not all artificial.

So YOW's problem is geography - not government. And it's less than 2hrs drive from YUL...

Actually, Ottawa is very lucky to have such a high concentration of high paid federal public servants - but that's another debate.

(FWIW, I work in Ottawa...)


Well YOW did actually gain YOW-FRA not long after the full YMX/YUL consolidation. I do think though that the new generation of transatlantic narrowbodies will yield YOW at least 1 new transatlantic route within the next 3 years.

"So YOW's problem is geography - not government."

Another problem is a lacklusture airport authority when it comes to developing air service.

Anyhow we're venturing way of topic from my original thread starter, lol.

Maybe YOW will be the next airport's pax stats to report on in this thread as their year-end stats still aren't out yet.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:22 pm

Back to the topic at hand, here's YQB's 2017 results:
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/y ... 42193.html

+3.4% = 1,670,880 = +55,000 pax and that is despite repairs to the main runway that limited access for large aircraft from May 23 to August 9, 2017 = no TS CDG flights all of last summer.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:14 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Back to the topic at hand, here's YQB's 2017 results:
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/y ... 42193.html

+3.4% = 1,670,880 = +55,000 pax and that is despite repairs to the main runway that limited access for large aircraft from May 23 to August 9, 2017 = no TS CDG flights all of last summer.


Will be interesting to see how much more traffic the up to 4x weekly service will generate this year.
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:22 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Back to the topic at hand, here's YQB's 2017 results:
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/y ... 42193.html

+3.4% = 1,670,880 = +55,000 pax and that is despite repairs to the main runway that limited access for large aircraft from May 23 to August 9, 2017 = no TS CDG flights all of last summer.


Will be interesting to see how much more traffic the up to 4x weekly service will generate this year.


That alone should add at least 40k more pax. TS did replace YQB-CDG with YQB-YUL feeder flights on 738s, so some of the traffic shifting back to the nonstops would have been on the feeders last summer...but the feeders are staying this summer to feed other YUL flights. Given WS' expansion was mid-year, that too will add another 50k pax this year.
 
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Re: Canadian Airport 2017 Year-End Passenger Stats

Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:18 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
That alone should add at least 40k more pax. TS did replace YQB-CDG with YQB-YUL feeder flights on 738s, so some of the traffic shifting back to the nonstops would have been on the feeders last summer...but the feeders are staying this summer to feed other YUL flights. Given WS' expansion was mid-year, that too will add another 50k pax this year.


We'll see how many more will travel through YQB, but each time a TS flight departs for or arrives from CDG, it means up to 250 people using YQB just on that route.
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