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Re: Aer Lingus planning more International flights to US

Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:20 am

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YHZ needs a good gateway to Europe, LHR doesnt have much beyond ability to connect for Air Canada passengers. YOW also would be good.


With a niche plane, Id fly niche markets that have the potential for good yields and a capture a disproportionate amount of international traffic.

That is more likely to be a 757/A321LR route.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:23 am

YHZ already has a summer seasonal flight to DUB with ASL
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:35 am

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TPA is beyond the range of the 321LR. Maybe if it frees up a A330


Are you sure about that? Should be close to the edge of the 321LR's range, but only just.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:44 am

I'd put money on DFW and DEN for A330 service. IND, ATL, CLT, and PHL for A321LR service.

LAS and IAH as wild cards.
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Re: Aer Lingus planning more International flights to US

Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:59 am

I know they flew SNN-ORD in the past! Highly seasonal and is it in the range of the A321LR? Could be a wild card.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:37 am

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Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:46 am

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After FI came back to BWI, EI might do the same.


From what I have read Baltimore is a given.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:48 am

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Just out of curiosity, what are the largest airports/markets in the USA eastern/central time zones without TATL service on a OneWorld carrier? Would be curious to see the list.



I would say that would be Detroit.
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Re: Aer Lingus planning more International flights to US

Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:05 am

I’m wondering if this means a change to the Aer Lingus business model. Certainly most of these cities only make sense seasonally and even then, probably not daily. Will Aer Lingus be used as a Norwegian/Wow killer?

I have to think BWI is high on the list, especially with Wow going to 11x weekly and Norwegian rumored to be coming once construction on the international concourse is complete. Icelandair is coming in and Condor is expanding, so I have to wonder if IAG has had enough of these carriers.

I could also see some random cities like JAX and even Myrtle Beach.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:11 am

kavok wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what are the largest airports/markets in the USA eastern/central time zones without TATL service on a OneWorld carrier? Would be curious to see the list.


I'm not sure on the order
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:20 am

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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:23 am

czek6 wrote:
I’m wondering if this means a change to the Aer Lingus business model. Certainly most of these cities only make sense seasonally and even then, probably not daily. Will Aer Lingus be used as a Norwegian/Wow killer?

I have to think BWI is high on the list, especially with Wow going to 11x weekly and Norwegian rumored to be coming once construction on the international concourse is complete. Icelandair is coming in and Condor is expanding, so I have to wonder if IAG has had enough of these carriers.

I could also see some random cities like JAX and even Myrtle Beach.



I was just about to write something very similar, if IAG is smart, Aer Lingus could be a definitely WOW killer....
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:01 am

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Would MHT even stand a chance of getting something like this?


Does MHT even have a CBP processing station? Last I checked, they didn't so I wouldn't count on it.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:15 am

Allegheny County has been pushing for another TATL flight from PIT, whether it's LHR or DUB. I wouldn't be shocked if EI gives PIT-DUB a shot, considering the growth of at PIT in the past few years.

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Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:46 am

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Allegheny County has been pushing for another TATL flight from PIT, whether it's LHR or DUB. I wouldn't be shocked if EI gives PIT-DUB a shot, considering the growth of at PIT in the past few years.

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Jan. 28, 2018

"As for what’s left to do, [PIT CEO Christina Cassotis] has been going hard after a coveted nonstop flight to London but so far has been unable to land it. She also sees potential for Dublin. On the domestic side, she is looking at Salt Lake City [since added by DL], San Diego and more flights to the West Coast in general."

IMO anything BA tries is lower risk because of their network size than EI. I would think a BA 787 is a lot more likely to show up in PIT than any EI metal.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:57 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
tomaheath wrote:
Would MHT even stand a chance of getting something like this?


Does MHT even have a CBP processing station? Last I checked, they didn't so I wouldn't count on it.

MHT does not despite having plans to back when the airport was experiencing stable growth. That growth immediately stopped and the plans were shelved. It really wouldn't matter anyways because DUB has border preclearance so deplaning would be treated exactly like a normal domestic flight.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:01 am

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ctrabs0114 wrote:
Allegheny County has been pushing for another TATL flight from PIT, whether it's LHR or DUB. I wouldn't be shocked if EI gives PIT-DUB a shot, considering the growth of at PIT in the past few years.

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Jan. 28, 2018

"As for what’s left to do, [PIT CEO Christina Cassotis] has been going hard after a coveted nonstop flight to London but so far has been unable to land it. She also sees potential for Dublin. On the domestic side, she is looking at Salt Lake City [since added by DL], San Diego and more flights to the West Coast in general."

IMO anything BA tries is lower risk because of their network size than EI. I would think a BA 787 is a lot more likely to show up in PIT than any EI metal.


Whether it's BA to LHR (I'd settle for a 777 if not a 787) or EI to DUB, I'd love to see another TATL option from PIT, maybe even a year-round option instead of the seasonal DL to CDG (though, the 2018 season is expanded and upgauged from a 757 to a 767) and WW to KEF.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:04 am

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I'd put money on DFW and DEN for A330 service. IND, ATL, CLT, and PHL for A321LR service.

LAS and IAH as wild cards.

EI has already announced PHL as a 752 for 2018. 1x daily in the summer, 4x weekly in the winter.

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Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:27 am

Is EI going to be the WW for 2018? :lol:
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My guess is DFW with a code share tie in with AA. Secondary guess would be PIT or IND.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:33 am

I'm going to throw RDU into the mix. With international traffic up nearly 30% and the rumored AMS nonstop launching next year, Aer Lingus may want to jump in and grab some of that traffic.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:17 am

Low hanging fruit. I bet it's cities either with no service to Europe or under served.

I see them wanting to get into cities offering subsidies before wow and norweigan get more planes. The ULCC push is here, I think usa-europe will look really different In ten years.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:16 am

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With EI already offering MCO and MIA, and yields rumoured to be low for MIA, I can't see them adding another destination in Florida.


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There are rumours that MIA is going so badly that it will be cut. Were LH etc in a similar position? Genuine question as I have no idea.


Did you make up this rumour yourself?

At last report, IAG noted that every single long haul route that has been opened by EI to the United States has been profitable since they started. They were touting that as a big achievement since usually routes are loss making in the beginning and then go break even, then make money.

If IAG are saying that, where are you getting your "rumour" about "low yields" and that "MIA is going so badly that it will be cut" from? I'd love to know.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:56 am

Americans seem to pee themselves with excitement over anything Irish, so there should be plenty of cities that would do well with a link to DUB.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:09 am

ClassicLover wrote:
DalRiada wrote:
With EI already offering MCO and MIA, and yields rumoured to be low for MIA, I can't see them adding another destination in Florida.


DalRiada wrote:
There are rumours that MIA is going so badly that it will be cut. Were LH etc in a similar position? Genuine question as I have no idea.


Did you make up this rumour yourself?

At last report, IAG noted that every single long haul route that has been opened by EI to the United States has been profitable since they started. They were touting that as a big achievement since usually routes are loss making in the beginning and then go break even, then make money.

If IAG are saying that, where are you getting your "rumour" about "low yields" and that "MIA is going so badly that it will be cut" from? I'd love to know.


Of course I did, yeah, just to make a point on an Internet forum.

Would I be correct on saying that the IAG report was not long after Miami had been launched, and therefore it was too early to include it in the report? It’s a rumour that has come up various times over the past couple of months on an Irish aviation forum. I’m not in the industry so I can’t add any insight other than saying that there are rumours that the route is performing very poorly. Whether it will come to being culled (or whether it’s just various people talking nonsense) will only be revealed in the future.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:15 am

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IMO anything BA tries is lower risk because of their network size than EI. I would think a BA 787 is a lot more likely to show up in PIT than any EI metal.


While it's true BA have the network to support marginal demand routes, EI's cost base is exceptionally low, one of the lowest across the Atlantic (based on the last IAG market presentaion, Aer Lingus has the highest ROIC within the group (over 22%) )and that combined with their DUB/HUB for connections means that they could actually be the better candidate in IAG to test the waters on new routes, particularly once the A321LR arrives, the geographical location of DUB 300nm west of London could be the extra bit of range needed for that aircraft to make certain routes viable with a narrow body that would otherwise require a BA787 or EI330 which would likely be too much metal when serving some of these cities.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:19 am

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DTW to the UK is not very well covered with one stop connections that don't cause you to back track

DTW has plenty of 1stop cnnx to most of the major UK cities without backtracking via EWR, and to a lesser extent JFK and PHL
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:26 am

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Would I be correct on saying that the IAG report was not long after Miami had been launched, and therefore it was too early to include it in the report? It’s a rumour that has come up various times over the past couple of months on an Irish aviation forum. I’m not in the industry so I can’t add any insight other than saying that there are rumours that the route is performing very poorly. Whether it will come to being culled (or whether it’s just various people talking nonsense) will only be revealed in the future.


I think that rumor only came about as during a period of negociation/argument between the company and the pilots union IALPA, where the union were insisting that on days where the flights were longer than 9:30, then 3 pilots must be carried to allow for inflight rest in line with their agreement, the company then threatened to pull out of MIA if they didn't operate with only 2 crew, even on the strong headwind days. This then morphed its way around as "If they're happy to pull if for an extra pilot 10 times a year it must be marginal/losing money" which lead to the rumor it was loss making and going to be pulled. Time will tell if this rumor actually comes true, but the route has yet to operate over a full summer season, so that should be a good indication as to profitability once the end of the summer comes.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:33 am

eidvm wrote:
DalRiada wrote:
Would I be correct on saying that the IAG report was not long after Miami had been launched, and therefore it was too early to include it in the report? It’s a rumour that has come up various times over the past couple of months on an Irish aviation forum. I’m not in the industry so I can’t add any insight other than saying that there are rumours that the route is performing very poorly. Whether it will come to being culled (or whether it’s just various people talking nonsense) will only be revealed in the future.


I think that rumor only came about as during a period of negociation/argument between the company and the pilots union IALPA, where the union were insisting that on days where the flights were longer than 9:30, then 3 pilots must be carried to allow for inflight rest in line with their agreement, the company then threatened to pull out of MIA if they didn't operate with only 2 crew, even on the strong headwind days. This then morphed its way around as "If they're happy to pull if for an extra pilot 10 times a year it must be marginal/losing money" which lead to the rumor it was loss making and going to be pulled. Time will tell if this rumor actually comes true, but the route has yet to operate over a full summer season, so that should be a good indication as to profitability once the end of the summer comes.


That clears things up, thanks very much! Hopefully it is a success. It would be great if they could tap into the AA network for connections to Latin America but that’s another kettle of fish and not a discussion for this thread.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:21 am

It will certainly be interesting to see how this develops, especially given that DUB offers the pre-clearance for customs so would make it more enticing to fly via there than wait in a very long line at PHL ;)

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Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:52 am

The last update from IAG late last year was that it was securing regulatory clearance for EI to join the AA/BA joint-venture, but nothing has been announced since.
 
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The last update from IAG late last year was that it was securing regulatory clearance for EI to join the AA/BA joint-venture, but nothing has been announced since.


It's entirely possible that joining it would destroy the economics for EI.

If EI's costs are that much lower than AA, AY, BA, IB then the JV would only increase those as presumably they all have higher costs.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:23 pm

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kavok wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what are the largest airports/markets in the USA eastern/central time zones without TATL service on a OneWorld carrier? Would be curious to see the list.



I would say that would be Detroit.


How are we measuring "largest"? MSP has more pax/year
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:16 pm

If the 321’s free up a few A330’s then I could see SAN, DEN, LAS, DFW & TPA. LAS, TPA & SAN might be good candidates as routes to place extra 330 capacity on during the winter/spring. All only 2-3x a week and some would definitely be seasonal. Just my two cents...
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LupineChemist wrote:
klm617 wrote:
kavok wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what are the largest airports/markets in the USA eastern/central time zones without TATL service on a OneWorld carrier? Would be curious to see the list.



I would say that would be Detroit.


How are we measuring "largest"? MSP has more pax/year
Not internationally.
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klm617 wrote:
DTW to the UK is not very well covered with one stop connections that don't cause you to back track

DTW has plenty of 1stop cnnx to most of the major UK cities without backtracking via EWR, and to a lesser extent JFK and PHL
There’s only 2 UK destinations that is worth connecting to and that’s MAN and EDI. I don’t see DTW-BHX, CWL, BFS, GLA, or LPL being worth it. Reason being is per historical data, fares on MAN and EDI are up tremendously but the amount of pax travel has been flat at least for the last 5 years.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:49 pm

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YHZ already has a summer seasonal flight to DUB with ASL


ASL has dropped their Halifax to DUB and CDG flight.

ASL is going to operate St. Pierre et Miquelon (SPM) to Paris (direct).
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rajincajun01 wrote:
DalRiada wrote:

With EI already offering MCO and MIA, and yields rumoured to be low for MIA, I can't see them adding another destination in Florida.


Same argument was made about Lufthansa, Edelweiss, and Icelandair and they’re doing just fine in TPA.


There are rumours that MIA is going so badly that it will be cut. Were LH etc in a similar position? Genuine question as I have no idea.


Correct I think IAG want it reduced to something that would not work in the Irish market and EI are pushing back against them. I think they should keep the optimum schedule and stick with it for another year. I feel it would give the route more time to establish itself. Loads are below expectations though which is a shame.
 
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Correct I think IAG want it reduced to something that would not work in the Irish market and EI are pushing back against them. I think they should keep the optimum schedule and stick with it for another year. I feel it would give the route more time to establish itself. Loads are below expectations though which is a shame.


From what I understand - and this is from someone at IAG last week - this not how IAG operate. It is up to the individual airline within the group to decide on which routes to operate and when, and whether to keep them or cancel them. The airlines have targets, but the operational decisions including route and fleet planning, remain with the individual airline.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:15 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Correct I think IAG want it reduced to something that would not work in the Irish market and EI are pushing back against them. I think they should keep the optimum schedule and stick with it for another year. I feel it would give the route more time to establish itself. Loads are below expectations though which is a shame.


From what I understand - and this is from someone at IAG last week - this not how IAG operate. It is up to the individual airline within the group to decide on which routes to operate and when, and whether to keep them or cancel them. The airlines have targets, but the operational decisions including route and fleet planning, remain with the individual airline.
Not totally true because the IAG is a major influence on where the airlines should start routes. BA and EI have separate planners but ultimately the IAG influences that decision.
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Not totally true because the IAG is a major influence on where the airlines should start routes. BA and EI have separate planners but ultimately the IAG influences that decision.


Well, I'll believe what I was told by IAG in this instance :)
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:38 pm

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Just out of curiosity, what are the largest airports/markets in the USA eastern/central time zones without TATL service on a OneWorld carrier? Would be curious to see the list.


STL
IND
CVG
MSP
CLE
Milwaukee(if you consider it distinct from the Chicago area)
CMH
MEM

Just off the top of my head...
 
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ClassicLover wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Not totally true because the IAG is a major influence on where the airlines should start routes. BA and EI have separate planners but ultimately the IAG influences that decision.


Well, I'll believe what I was told by IAG in this instance :)


Lets just say that sometimes IAG and individual airlines have a battle of wills . I have seen it before and with someone very close to the decisions.
 
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Lets just say that sometimes IAG and individual airlines have a battle of wills . I have seen it before and with someone very close to the decisions.


I can very well imagine that happening. The official line often differs somewhat from the day to day experience, doesn't it :)
I do enjoy a spot of flying, especially when it's not in economy!
 
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Re: Aer Lingus planning more International flights to US

Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:58 pm

Tenbru73 wrote:
HTCone wrote:
YHZ already has a summer seasonal flight to DUB with ASL

ASL has dropped their Halifax to DUB and CDG flight.



WestJet is starting YHZ-CDG nonstop on a new MAX this summer and YHZ-DUB will be a quick connection now in St. John's on WestJet's YYT-DUB service.. All daily now for the summer instead of the once weekly service ASL operated.
 
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Re: Aer Lingus planning more International flights to US

Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:16 pm

God, that reminds me of the rumours that EI was going to operate YHZ 3x weekly on it's ETOPS A320's back in 2014 or so. Would have been interesting to see how that would have turned out.
Types flown: A319, A320, B734, B738, B744, B77W and E195.
Airports flown to/from: DUB, JFK, LGW, LHR, LIS, LTN, PDL, SEN and STN.
Airlines flown with: AA, BA, BD, BE, EI, and FR.
Next flights: TBC
 
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Re: Aer Lingus planning more International flights to US

Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:29 pm

Thought I'd add more fuel to the Denver rumor. Ben Schlappig (aka Lucky) from Onemileatatime even wrote about it.

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... us-denver/
 
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Re: Aer Lingus planning more International flights to US

Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:53 pm

I'm gonna go with:
More likely:
PIT, IND, CLT, ATL

Less likely but still a decent chance:
RDU, DTW, PVD, CLE

Out of all of these, I'd be the most surprised if CLT wasn't added. The Charlotte Metro area's economy is booming, as well as the neighboring suburban towns. Also, CLT is lacking in international airlines service, the only international airline there besides Air Canada Express is Lufthansa.
 
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Re: Aer Lingus planning more International flights to US

Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:54 am

WNflyer1523 wrote:
Out of all of these, I'd be the most surprised if CLT wasn't added. The Charlotte Metro area's economy is booming, as well as the neighboring suburban towns. Also, CLT is lacking in international airlines service, the only international airline there besides Air Canada Express is Lufthansa.

Be that as it may, CLT-DUB is already served by AA. In the same vein that BA hasn't added LHR-CLT with AA on it I don't see why EI would add DUB-CLT.
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