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737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:02 am

The 737 MAX has been nominated for the Collier Trophy for "the greatest achievement in aeronautics or astronautics in America.”
It seems odd; I didn't think the 737MAX was such a great technical achievement. Does it have any great technical achievement?

Nominees are
Cirrus Aircraft Vision SF50 single-engine jet;
the autonomous helicopter system developed by the U.S. Marine Corps Office of Naval Research and Aurora Flight Sciences;
the high-altitude glider Perlan Project
the Zee Aero Division of Kitty Hawk Corporation
the Vanilla Aircraft VA001 drone; the Edwards Air Force Base F-35 Integrated Test Force
the NASA/JPL Cassini Project Team
and the TSA, ALPA, and A4A Known Crewmember® and TSA Pre✓® Programs.

I would have put the Cirrus Jet as best, and TSA Pre✓ as worst.
 
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:07 am

Just a nominee, doesn’t mean it will win and it probably won’t.
 
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:56 am

Think the NASA/JPL Cassini team may have the best chance of winning the trophy but the Perlan high altitude glider probably has a fair shot, as well. While a lot of effort was put into the 737 MAX improvements, it's hardly as significant as a fair number of other nominees on this list. But you never know until the selection just what will make the cut.
 
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:50 am

Where is SpaceX's Falcon rocket, especially the flying the pieces back to earth parts ?
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:03 am

kitplane01 wrote:
The 737 MAX has been nominated for the Collier Trophy for "the greatest achievement in aeronautics or astronautics in America.”
It seems odd; I didn't think the 737MAX was such a great technical achievement. Does it have any great technical achievement?

Nominees are
Cirrus Aircraft Vision SF50 single-engine jet;
the autonomous helicopter system developed by the U.S. Marine Corps Office of Naval Research and Aurora Flight Sciences;
the high-altitude glider Perlan Project
the Zee Aero Division of Kitty Hawk Corporation
the Vanilla Aircraft VA001 drone; the Edwards Air Force Base F-35 Integrated Test Force
the NASA/JPL Cassini Project Team
and the TSA, ALPA, and A4A Known Crewmember® and TSA Pre✓® Programs.

I would have put the Cirrus Jet as best, and TSA Pre✓ as worst.

It is probably worth quoting the full citation of the Collier Trophy:

The Robert J. Collier Trophy is awarded annually "for the greatest achievement in aeronautics or astronautics in America, with respect to improving the performance, efficiency, and safety of air or space vehicles, the value of which has been thoroughly demonstrated by actual use during the preceding year."

Source: https://naa.aero/awards/awards-and-trop ... ier-trophy

By that definition, all the nominees seem reasonable (even the known crew member and precheck programmes, though that really is quite a stretch let's be honest!)

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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:28 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Just a nominee, doesn’t mean it will win and it probably won’t.

"Follow the money"...

My fave is the high-altitude glider Perlan Project, but it's not sexy enough to win, IMHO.
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:15 pm

Revelation wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Just a nominee, doesn’t mean it will win and it probably won’t.

"Follow the money"...

My fave is the high-altitude glider Perlan Project, but it's not sexy enough to win, IMHO.


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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:27 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
The 737 MAX has been nominated for the Collier Trophy for "the greatest achievement in aeronautics or astronautics in America.”
It seems odd; I didn't think the 737MAX was such a great technical achievement. Does it have any great technical achievement?

Nominees are
Cirrus Aircraft Vision SF50 single-engine jet;
the autonomous helicopter system developed by the U.S. Marine Corps Office of Naval Research and Aurora Flight Sciences;
the high-altitude glider Perlan Project
the Zee Aero Division of Kitty Hawk Corporation
the Vanilla Aircraft VA001 drone; the Edwards Air Force Base F-35 Integrated Test Force
the NASA/JPL Cassini Project Team
and the TSA, ALPA, and A4A Known Crewmember® and TSA Pre✓® Programs.

I would have put the Cirrus Jet as best, and TSA Pre✓ as worst.

It is probably worth quoting the full citation of the Collier Trophy:

The Robert J. Collier Trophy is awarded annually "for the greatest achievement in aeronautics or astronautics in America, with respect to improving the performance, efficiency, and safety of air or space vehicles, the value of which has been thoroughly demonstrated by actual use during the preceding year."

Source: https://naa.aero/awards/awards-and-trop ... ier-trophy

By that definition, all the nominees seem reasonable (even the known crew member and precheck programmes, though that really is quite a stretch let's be honest!)

V/F


I personally love Known Crewmember (at least at most airports. SEA and PDX KCM are awful, in my experience) and think it is a great thing, but it only benefits a small number of people so I don’t think it should have a chance of winning. And PreCheck has become a joke so hopefully not!
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:22 pm

Aesma wrote:
Where is SpaceX's Falcon rocket, especially the flying the pieces back to earth parts ?

The Falcon heavy should be nominated (and WIN) for 2018. This is the 2017 prize.

The Falcon Heavy is the coolest rocket currently in existence. SpaceX is just the most technologically successful company in aerospace.
 
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:55 pm

kitplane01 wrote:
and the TSA, ALPA, and A4A Known Crewmember® and TSA Pre✓® Programs.


This just tells me exactly how many grains of salt we need to take this award with. (Hint: a LOT).

The TSA is the most incompetent organization I have ever seen. How on earth are they up for anything remotely resembling an award?
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:12 pm

AvObserver wrote:
While a lot of effort was put into the 737 MAX improvements, it's hardly as significant as a fair number of other nominees on this list.


Agreed. I thought the 787 ought to have made it into the list ahead of the 737 MAX. Or has it already done so before?
 
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:18 pm

Acey559 wrote:
I personally love Known Crewmember (at least at most airports. SEA and PDX KCM are awful, in my experience) and think it is a great thing, but it only benefits a small number of people so I don’t think it should have a chance of winning. And PreCheck has become a joke so hopefully not!

PreCheck has lost a lot of its value but Global Entry rocks.
 
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:46 pm

Erebus wrote:
AvObserver wrote:
While a lot of effort was put into the 737 MAX improvements, it's hardly as significant as a fair number of other nominees on this list.


Agreed. I thought the 787 ought to have made it into the list ahead of the 737 MAX. Or has it already done so before?

Boeing won the Collier Trophy for the 787 in 2011 (as well as for the 777 in 1995, the 757 and 767 in 1982, the 747 in 1970, and the B-52 in 1955). The link I have upthread has links to lists of winners for each decade; well worth areas for everyone to give a bit of context.

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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:18 pm

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Bricktop wrote:
Acey559 wrote:
I personally love Known Crewmember (at least at most airports. SEA and PDX KCM are awful, in my experience) and think it is a great thing, but it only benefits a small number of people so I don’t think it should have a chance of winning. And PreCheck has become a joke so hopefully not!

PreCheck has lost a lot of its value but Global Entry rocks.


Agreed! I just did Global Entry about a year ago and don’t know how I lived without it. :)
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:24 am

Erebus wrote:
AvObserver wrote:
While a lot of effort was put into the 737 MAX improvements, it's hardly as significant as a fair number of other nominees on this list.


Agreed. I thought the 787 ought to have made it into the list ahead of the 737 MAX. Or has it already done so before?


The 787 is not a 2017 achievement.
 
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Re: 737MAX and the Collier Trophy

Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:10 am

kitplane01 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Where is SpaceX's Falcon rocket, especially the flying the pieces back to earth parts ?

The Falcon heavy should be nominated (and WIN) for 2018. This is the 2017 prize.

The Falcon Heavy is the coolest rocket currently in existence. SpaceX is just the most technologically successful company in aerospace.


Strong agree on the Falcon Heavy — especially if they manage to land a center core before EOY '18. Falcon booster landing dates back to 2015, so their achievements in 2017 aren't eligible.

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