Preliminary reports are that Delta 55 an A332 from LOS-ATL diverted back to LOS after a serious engine issue. The aircraft returned to LOS for an overweight landing and evacuated on the runway. Reports are that several passengers were injured during the evacuation. Aircraft is #3358/N858NW.

Damn, first the United 777 and now a Delta A330 all in the same day...

Eight minutes in the air: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... w#106bffb2

Can't wait to read the sensationalized news articles that will come out of Nigerian papers tomorrow.

AApilot2b wrote:

berari wrote:

Eight minutes in the air: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... w#106bffb2

Can't wait to read the sensationalized news articles that will come out of Nigerian papers tomorrow.

Nigerian papers? I’m sure the media will sensationalize it everywhere.... CNN, MSNBC, etc... Near death apocalyptic moment! Airplanes unsafe for travel! Airlines flying junkers! Here come the headlines!

He is referring to some prior press regarding Delta that was sensationalized saying Delta was using old, crappy planes because they didn't like Africa (basically).

berari wrote:

Eight minutes in the air: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... w#106bffb2

Can't wait to read the sensationalized news articles that will come out of Nigerian papers tomorrow.

Nigerian papers? I’m sure the media will sensationalize it everywhere.... CNN, MSNBC, etc... Near death apocalyptic moment! Airplanes unsafe for travel! Airlines flying junkers! Here come the headlines!

The injuries were probably attributable to people hauling their luggage with them on the way out.

It must have been fairly serious if they evacuated on the runway for it.

jbs2886 wrote:

He is referring to some prior press regarding Delta that was sensationalized saying Delta was using old, crappy planes because they didn't like Africa (basically).

Let's not put words in my mouth. This is not what I meant. I'm referring to this very incident.

The first tweet I came across this incident openly stated that the DL flight had crashed, quoting someone that was on the flight and was on their way to the hospital. Tweet has since been removed. Nigerian and other African papers report such incidents with so much passion, with reference to god and prayers and such with interesting touch.

I know the United 777 that lost it's cowling in HNL today uses the PW4000s. But, doesn't the Delta A330-200 use them also?

Unconfirmed reports are that the aircraft suffered an engine failure and fire. It is the same engine type as the UA incident, a PW4000 engine. This particular airframe suffered an engine shutdown over the Pacific in October 2017. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=200468

The link below includes a recording of a pilot speaking to passengers.
https://twitter.com/Harmedox/status/963555431338692608

With the immediate return back to the airport, and the most definitely overweight landing, anyone know if the brakes caught fire, or any burst tires upon landing? Definitely a really terrifying situation. Great job to the pilots for bringing it back down safely.

ual763 wrote:

I know the United 777 that lost it's cowling in HNL today uses the PW4000s. But, doesn't the Delta A330-200 use them also?

I believe all of Deltas A330-200 uses the PW4168A engines. The one that the United 777-200 uses is a larger 112 in. PW4077 engines.

Also crazy incident. Glad everyone is safe and kudos to the pilots for making a safe landing. Geez today has been insane.

berari wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

He is referring to some prior press regarding Delta that was sensationalized saying Delta was using old, crappy planes because they didn't like Africa (basically).

Let's not put words in my mouth. This is not what I meant. I'm referring to this very incident.

The first tweet I came across this incident openly stated that the DL flight had crashed, quoting someone that was on the flight and was on their way to the hospital. Tweet has since been removed. Nigerian and other African papers report such incidents with so much passion, with reference to god and prayers and such with interesting touch.

My bad, I assumed that is what you were referring to.

Must be serious, they went back to Lagos in some haste. Not many would do that! Were the injured among the passengers or some people just passing by on the airport? It’s pretty common sight-people walking across the taxiways.

GF

Atlanta Journal Constitution article ...

(Delta, as you can imagine, makes the news here if they merely burp)

http://airport.blog.ajc.com/2018/02/13/ ... e-injured/

It looks like DL 9950 is the rescue flight. It appears that it is going DTW-ATL-LOS. I'm always interested in the crews, mechanics, and other staff that they arrange on short notice and dispatch for the recovery flight.

From an Airline perspective this is probably the worse place to have an issue like this. You have no resources and very few options. I am not referring to the fact of the specific location just that it is one of the farthest destinations that you service creating a logistics nightmare. Kudo's to DL for launching a rescue flight already.

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travaz wrote:

From an Airline perspective this is probably the worse place to have an issue like this. You have no resources and very few options. I am not referring to the fact of the specific location just that it is one of the farthest destinations that you service creating a logistics nightmare. Kudo's to DL for launching a rescue flight already.

To add on this, I cannot speak for Delta, but I know most airline crews have to have a private security detail escort them to/from the hotel in Lagos and at certain other African airports, such as Nairobi. In fact, the airline I'm referencing, also does not let the crews leave the hotel during the layover here. I would imagine Delta hired a local security detail to guard the aircraft as well to protect it from vandalism.

ual763 wrote:

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travaz wrote:

From an Airline perspective this is probably the worse place to have an issue like this. You have no resources and very few options. I am not referring to the fact of the specific location just that it is one of the farthest destinations that you service creating a logistics nightmare. Kudo's to DL for launching a rescue flight already.

To add on this, I cannot speak for Delta, but I know most airline crews have to have a private security detail escort them to/from the hotel in Lagos and at certain other African airports, such as Nairobi. In fact, the airline I'm referencing, also does not let the crews leave the hotel during the layover here. I would imagine Delta hired a local security detail to guard the aircraft as well to protect it from vandalism.

That sounds...scary.
I'm sure Lagos doesn't have many trustworthy mx companies.

jbmitt wrote:

It looks like DL 9950 is the rescue flight. It appears that it is going DTW-ATL-LOS. I'm always interested in the crews, mechanics, and other staff that they arrange on short notice and dispatch for the recovery flight.

Most airlines have a "go team" of engineers that are basically dispatched if needed at outstations.

Crew and Pilots can be pulled out of reserve. You just need to find a plane for them to operate.

Not a great week for PW.

hayzel777 wrote:

jbmitt wrote:

It looks like DL 9950 is the rescue flight. It appears that it is going DTW-ATL-LOS. I'm always interested in the crews, mechanics, and other staff that they arrange on short notice and dispatch for the recovery flight.

Most airlines have a "go team" of engineers that are basically dispatched if needed at outstations.

Crew and Pilots can be pulled out of reserve. You just need to find a plane for them to operate.

How does it work in terms of visas and arrangements when it comes to flying on short notice to, say, Nigeria?

Also, couldn't DL9950 fly DTW-LOS?

berari wrote:

hayzel777 wrote:

jbmitt wrote:

It looks like DL 9950 is the rescue flight. It appears that it is going DTW-ATL-LOS. I'm always interested in the crews, mechanics, and other staff that they arrange on short notice and dispatch for the recovery flight.

Most airlines have a "go team" of engineers that are basically dispatched if needed at outstations.

Crew and Pilots can be pulled out of reserve. You just need to find a plane for them to operate.

How does it work in terms of visas and arrangements when it comes to flying on short notice to, say, Nigeria?

Also, couldn't DL9950 fly DTW-LOS?

Maybe it had to pick up people/supplies/parts in ATL

berari wrote:

hayzel777 wrote:

jbmitt wrote:

It looks like DL 9950 is the rescue flight. It appears that it is going DTW-ATL-LOS. I'm always interested in the crews, mechanics, and other staff that they arrange on short notice and dispatch for the recovery flight.

Most airlines have a "go team" of engineers that are basically dispatched if needed at outstations.

Crew and Pilots can be pulled out of reserve. You just need to find a plane for them to operate.

How does it work in terms of visas and arrangements when it comes to flying on short notice to, say, Nigeria?

Also, couldn't DL9950 fly DTW-LOS?

ATL is slightly further on the great circle distance, to the tune of just under 100 miles, so yes it could, but given the short notice, it's very much likely to be a crew/technical issue and ATL has a lot more availability than DTW would.

ual763 wrote:

With the immediate return back to the airport, and the most definitely overweight landing, anyone know if the brakes caught fire, or any burst tires upon landing?

Wouldn’t think so, the international runway 18R is 12800 ft, even landing at MTOW they would have 3000 ft spare.

Any more news?

Web500sjc wrote:

Any more news?

The Nigerian authorities are unhappy that Delta did not report the incident to them.

http://www.woleshadare.net/aib-impounds ... -incident/

LOS is not as bad as you all are making it out to be. Yes, there can be a security problem in the city, but the airport is among the better ones in Africa with a solid terminal and a lot of traffic with many non-African airlines. I know LH has a station mechanic there, so I am pretty sure other airlines (AF, EK, etc.) will have someone as well who can take care of most things. Now if you need to switch an engine, that is a whole different topic. Then you need a team as well as equipment to take care of that.

berari wrote:

hayzel777 wrote:

jbmitt wrote:

It looks like DL 9950 is the rescue flight. It appears that it is going DTW-ATL-LOS. I'm always interested in the crews, mechanics, and other staff that they arrange on short notice and dispatch for the recovery flight.

Most airlines have a "go team" of engineers that are basically dispatched if needed at outstations.

Crew and Pilots can be pulled out of reserve. You just need to find a plane for them to operate.

How does it work in terms of visas and arrangements when it comes to flying on short notice to, say, Nigeria?

Also, couldn't DL9950 fly DTW-LOS?

For crews that‘s not such a big issue. They travel on GenDecs. As far as I recall in Nigeria that also works for station personal

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GalaxyFlyer wrote:

Must be serious, they went back to Lagos in some haste. Not many would do that! Were the injured among the passengers or some people just passing by on the airport? It’s pretty common sight-people walking across the taxiways.

GF

What else would you do? Fly halfway across the Atlantic? Or head north and go for something in Europe? LOS is quite a good airport, one of the best in that region. Even ACC would be quite a stretch on just one engine. All of that is disregarding a possible fire...

mapletux wrote:

Web500sjc wrote:

Any more news?

The Nigerian authorities are unhappy that Delta did not report the incident to them.

http://www.woleshadare.net/aib-impounds ... -incident/

Pardon for ignorance, but as per the article, the Mayday was announced, and the airport was notified of the emergency landing; emergency response was mounted -- so the authorities were well aware.
Was that insufficient?

Did they expect a diplomatic courier, delivering them a message of existence of an accident plane, stranded within their own country?

[quote="flyinTLow"]LOS is not as bad as you all are making it out to be. Yes, there can be a security problem in the city, but the airport is among the better ones in Africa with a solid terminal and a lot of traffic with many non-African airlines. I know LH has a station mechanic there, so I am pretty sure other airlines (AF, EK, etc.) will have someone as well who can take care of most things. Now if you need to switch an engine, that is a whole different topic. Then you need a team as well as equipment to take care of that.

[quote="berari"][quote="hayzel777"]
Most airlines have a "go team" of engineers that are basically dispatched if needed at outstations.


LOS has the facilities to get the job done. A Qatar A330 had an engine issue a few months ago and they did an engine change in LOS. They flew the engine and their personnel in for the job I'm sure, but the facilities are there to get it done.

Since they had to evacuate the aircraft on the runway, how long would a job like this take to get the aircraft back in the air? Would they do just enough to ferry it back to ATL for a proper check before returning it to passenger service?

mapletux wrote:

Web500sjc wrote:

Any more news?

The Nigerian authorities are unhappy that Delta did not report the incident to them.

http://www.woleshadare.net/aib-impounds ... -incident/

I think they used the email address of that Nigerian prince to tell them about it.

I guess the crew weren’t looking forward to an extended stay!!

"Airlines flying junkers!"

Tante U is back in scheduled service?!? Who knew?

mapletux wrote:

Web500sjc wrote:

Any more news?

The Nigerian authorities are unhappy that Delta did not report the incident to them.

http://www.woleshadare.net/aib-impounds ... -incident/

Wouldn't be surprised if Delta ends up having to pay some sort of "ransom" to get the plane back given the amount of corruption which occurs over there.

OKCDCA wrote:

mapletux wrote:

Web500sjc wrote:

Any more news?

The Nigerian authorities are unhappy that Delta did not report the incident to them.

http://www.woleshadare.net/aib-impounds ... -incident/

Wouldn't be surprised if Delta ends up having to pay some sort of "ransom" to get the plane back given the amount of corruption which occurs over there.

Terrible...but I guess that is part of the risk when you fly into these areas.

According to the news, a "strong team" from DL HQ met with AIB in Nigeria today. Miss Shannon Masters(her position is reportedly Manager, Air Safety Investigations) and the local station manager apologized to Nigeria for failing to inform them of the incident, saying it was not intentional.

http://www.woleshadare.net/sorry-delta- ... -incident/

I hope the plane remains safe after this: http://www.woleshadare.net/aircraft-bur ... -vehicles/
A bunch of robbers and thieves operating within the perimeter of LOS airport and attempted to burglarize a CRJ that was sitting on the tarmac.

hayzel777 wrote:

According to the news, a "strong team" from DL HQ met with AIB in Nigeria today. Miss Shannon Masters(her position is reportedly Manager, Air Safety Investigations) and the local station manager apologized to Nigeria for failing to inform them of the incident, saying it was not intentional.

http://www.woleshadare.net/sorry-delta- ... -incident/

I hope the plane remains safe after this: http://www.woleshadare.net/aircraft-bur ... -vehicles/
A bunch of robbers and thieves operating within the perimeter of LOS airport and attempted to burglarize a CRJ that was sitting on the tarmac.

I am glad this emergency landing went well. I am surprised that the AIB in Nigeria finds it necessary to highlight the missed phone call from the U.S. While it seems that DL has apologized and everyone are friends again, it seems strange that accident investigation branch uses media to bash DL. While it may have been a breech to the protocol, there would be plenty of time to point that out directly to DL when they arrive. It is not necessary to highlight that, pending investigation.

We will never know, but I wounder how many zero's had to go with DL 'apology?'

Common to fly in your own security team. If a quad, would position it out empty on three engines.

louA340 wrote:

flyinTLow wrote:

LOS is not as bad as you all are making it out to be. Yes, there can be a security problem in the city, but the airport is among the better ones in Africa with a solid terminal and a lot of traffic with many non-African airlines. I know LH has a station mechanic there, so I am pretty sure other airlines (AF, EK, etc.) will have someone as well who can take care of most things. Now if you need to switch an engine, that is a whole different topic. Then you need a team as well as equipment to take care of that.

berari wrote:

The only facilities that are needed locally is a way to unload the new engine from the cargo plane. A crane is also nice but not required. Same goes for a hangar, nice but not required. Everything else is shipped in. It would be the same case for any station. For just an engine change I've seen it down and back up in a 12 hour shift. The inlet cowl and fan cowls would come off anyways foe an engine change so that is included. Any damage to the pylon and wings would have to be addressed at least with temp repairs. I would think the logistics of getting all the equipment and parts will take longer than the actual work on the ground. Plus they will not start working until the investigation teams, government and company let them.

mapletux wrote:

Web500sjc wrote:

Any more news?

The Nigerian authorities are unhappy that Delta did not report the incident to them.

http://www.woleshadare.net/aib-impounds ... -incident/

As if they would be doing much anyways...

travaz wrote:

From an Airline perspective this is probably the worse place to have an issue like this. You have no resources and very few options. I am not referring to the fact of the specific location just that it is one of the farthest destinations that you service creating a logistics nightmare. Kudo's to DL for launching a rescue flight already.

LOS is one a the bigger airports in Western Africa with multiple links to Europe. DL can probably reply on AF/KL as well and there a re ample of cargo flights in and out of LOS.

Phosphorus wrote:

mapletux wrote:

Web500sjc wrote:

Any more news?

The Nigerian authorities are unhappy that Delta did not report the incident to them.

http://www.woleshadare.net/aib-impounds ... -incident/

Pardon for ignorance, but as per the article, the Mayday was announced, and the airport was notified of the emergency landing; emergency response was mounted -- so the authorities were well aware.
Was that insufficient?

Did they expect a diplomatic courier, delivering them a message of existence of an accident plane, stranded within their own country?

Do you know what protocol the Nigerian government has established for airlines to report incidents? The provisions in Chapter 8 of ICAO Annex 13 require the States to establish mandatory occurrence reporting systems to facilitate the collection of information on actual or potential safety deficiencies. Has DL followed what's established in Nigeria? How would this have been handled if an airline failed to complete mandatory reporting to the FAA in the US?

tb727 wrote:

I think they used the email address of that Nigerian prince to tell them about it.

OKCDCA wrote:

Wouldn't be surprised if Delta ends up having to pay some sort of "ransom" to get the plane back given the amount of corruption which occurs over there.

Likely the only thing you think you know about African states. If this was the truth, perhaps you're also alluding that DL pays "ransom" for every flight and every operation that it performs.

It may have to pay a fine for failure to disclose. You know, the kinds of fines that FAA assesses on US airlines? Time will tell.

hayzel777 wrote:

Terrible...but I guess that is part of the risk when you fly into these areas.

Operations in African countries are challenging, not just for any potential of corruption - let's recall corruption also exists in USA, including that Newark to Columbia flight that United operated to appease Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Chairman to help him fly home faster in exchange for funding of the PATH train. Operations in Africa are challenging for lack of infrastructure, trained manpower, high costs, security levels, protectionism, language barriers among many others.

727200 wrote:

We will never know, but I wounder how many zero's had to go with DL 'apology?'

How much would you pay? Is that all you can think of when a country is enforcing its laws and due process?

ikolkyo wrote:

mapletux wrote:

Web500sjc wrote:

Any more news?

The Nigerian authorities are unhappy that Delta did not report the incident to them.

http://www.woleshadare.net/aib-impounds ... -incident/

As if they would be doing much anyways...

They're damned if they do, damned if they don't, apparently.

FlyingTlow,

Yes, I’ve been to LOS. I’ve been stopped taxiing out by passengers walking across the taxiway. My company had an airplane held hostage by a prominent Nigerian until random was paid (Obasanjo era). Crew sent to check status were confronted by armed “guards”.

Happiness is V1 at Lagos is an old aphorism among pilots, so apologies for a little humor. We laid over in ACC, even if it required a positioning flight. Obviously, the crew rightly decided to return due to the emergency, now the Nigerians appear to be holding them from departure. If you need an armed convoy to the hotel, it’s not good.

And, here’s a news report of a Vista Jet Challenger being robbed inside security on a taxiway last year. Some airport.

http://saharareporters.com/2017/12/16/private-jet-operated-vistajet-robbed-lagos-airport-bandits-while-taxiing-runway



GF

Berari: Just because it bears saying: To compare the "corruption" involved in the UAL regional flight to the rampant, endemic corruption and outright sanctioned thievery that goes on at LOS is just funny. In the US, the Port Authority official who the airline accommodated (I should say "bribed" -- at least the US attorney did) nearly went to prison for the activity; since he was old he got home confinement, but the point is that something that would be an acceptable business practice at LOS ends up being a major scandal here in the NY area.

I can't think of the last time that an aircraft was robbed on the ramp at a US airport.

Whilst the Nigerian people I have had the good fortune to personally meet have been singularly generous and kind, Nigeria as a country lives up to the very accurate description the Clown in charge of the USA recently uttered.
V1 is indeed happiness in almost all cases.
Lagos has improved over the years, but let’s be honest here, it’s been from a very low starting point in the years I’ve flown there.

LupineChemist wrote:

Not a great week for PW.

...to be fair, when's the last time PW had a great week, or month, or hell-- decade?

I'm thinking the '80s.

Evacuation video has been posted however it is quite dark.

https://twitter.com/Tiwaworks/status/963742922213658624