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Re: Hawaiian Airlines A330neo's?

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:32 pm

Aren't Aer Lingus supposed to be going A330 Neo instead of A350 since IAG ownership ? Could be a future order there ? I imagine other A332 fleets could follow suit too.
 
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Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:34 pm

Revelation wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
fcogafa wrote:
Just goes to prove you shouldn't believe 99% of what is said on Anet. Scott Hamiliton is owed an apology from many


For what? The fact that he botched the breaking news, which then forced HA to deny the news, only to turn around and print a clarification, and to now see it be confirmed - he created the confusion.

The only part he got wrong was the timing of the A338 cancellation.

The rest of the "breaking news" was correct.


I understand. He broke the news. He needed to clarify. He created a situation where the airline had to come out and deny it. I'm not bothered by that - I'm just wondering why anyone owes him an apology for tweeting what he did then having to correct it?
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Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:37 pm

ikramerica wrote:
Hamilton was wrong in that they didn’t cancel when he first broke the news. But by the time Zeke was insisting that he changed his information 4 days ago, HA had by then already canceled the A338...


The timing of the cancellation is curious to me in that the 787 order isn't firm yet. Why cancel without a firm 787 deal in place? Some have suggested Boeing is paying cancellation penalties for HA (though we don't know if they exist or if that's true), but I'd think they'd get a signed deal before nixing the A338 order first.

Guess it doesn't really matter. It's not like it was a secret at this point anyhow.
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Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:45 pm

The crowd here should apologize to Scott Hamilton (at least some).
Clearly not bushit what he says.

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Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:45 pm

HA reported on 22 Feb that the A338 order was still in place ( https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ow-446147/ ) but now FG tells us it was cancelled on 27 Feb ( https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... or-446506/ ).

mjoelnir wrote:
A firm order of 6 A330-800 is a fact. The first frames are in Production. There must have been payments, both when the order was firmed (down payments moved from A350-800 to A330-800), and progress payments should have been made, as the first two frames entered production.

Together with the 787 Hawaiian rendering, that disappeared fast from the Boeing site, I can only assume that somebody got optimistic at Boeing and whispered some secrets, that are not backed up by facts.

Time to walk this one back.

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None of this changes my previous assertion, Boeing, Airbus, and Hawaiian are public companies, if there has been a material change, they cannot “fudge” it, they required to make full disclosure to the market. We have seen no such disclosure.

And this one...

PlanesNTrains wrote:
I understand. He broke the news. He needed to clarify. He created a situation where the airline had to come out and deny it. I'm not bothered by that - I'm just wondering why anyone owes him an apology for tweeting what he did then having to correct it?

I agree no one owes him an apology, nor does he owe us an apology. His original story said "no agreements were signed" which to me tells us that the situation was not 100% firm. It's regrettable that he said the A338 deal was already cancelled when it really was not, but his update just said it was "to be cancelled" so his update did in fact reflect the true situation.
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:45 pm

Should have separated the speculation portion of the thread from the firm.
 
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:49 pm

Once again, Leeham proves to be well informed. A reliable source of information.
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines A330neo's?

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:54 pm

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And Currently, both A321neos are grounded due to the PW Engine issue which probably makes Hawaiian very frustrated with Airbus currently.


No, frustrated with Pratt & Whitney
 
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Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:57 pm

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The crowd here should apologize to Scott Hamilton (at least some).
Clearly not bushit what he says.

Flyglobal


I have to admit that Scott Hamilton is indeed a reliable source of information, even for me, knowing that I'm a Boeing enthusiast (although a fan of some Airbus airplanes, like the A330neo and the A350XWB themselves).
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Re: It's Official, Hawaiian Chooses The 787-9's

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:05 pm

Article states among the 787-9 roles is to serve routes underperforming by A330ceo.

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/officia ... rs-photos/

But the net effect is one additional aircraft beyond what they would have otherwise have gotten: they are dumping 6 A330neo orders + returning 3 767-300ers. The true net effect is upgauges of 9 aircraft and one net new.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines A330neo's?

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:08 pm

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And Currently, both A321neos are grounded due to the PW Engine issue which probably makes Hawaiian very frustrated with Airbus currently.


Yeah, you're right! :silly: Hawaiian is as frustrated with Airbus as Virgin Atlantic & Air New Zealand are frustrated with Boeing due to the 787 engine problems! :sarcastic:
 
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Re: It's Official, Hawaiian Chooses The 787-9's

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:14 pm

I wouldn't be so fast to merge this thread with the other. That other one is so far off from this news that this order deserves it's own thread.

On other notes, congratulations to Hawaiian for adding that beautiful bird to your fleet! Can't wait to see Pualani gracing the tail of Dreamliners for years to come...
 
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Re: It's Official, Hawaiian Chooses The 787-9's

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm

brian415 wrote:
Article states among the 787-9 roles is to serve routes underperforming by A330ceo.

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/officia ... rs-photos/

But the net effect is one additional aircraft beyond what they would have otherwise have gotten: they are dumping 6 A330neo orders + returning 3 767-300ers. The true net effect is upgauges of 9 aircraft and one net new.



What does he mean by 'routes underperforming by the A330ceo'? Objectively, I'd like to know what types of issues he's talking about.

I'm not trying to dog the A330 as it is a very fine and capable aircraft. Every aircraft has its pros and cons. I'm just wondering if anyone has more specifics about the instances he's referring to.
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Re: It's Official, Hawaiian Chooses The 787-9's

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm

brian415 wrote:
Article states among the 787-9 roles is to serve routes underperforming by A330ceo.

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/officia ... rs-photos/

But the net effect is one additional aircraft beyond what they would have otherwise have gotten: they are dumping 6 A330neo orders + returning 3 767-300ers. The true net effect is upgauges of 9 aircraft and one net new.


Sure but the timing is way off on retirement of 767-300ERs I believe. 789s don't get on the property until 2021.
 
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Re: It's Official, Hawaiian Chooses The 787-9's

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:16 pm

SO will it be Heathrow or Gatwick ? This about more then the Asia-Pacific since HA already flies to many places in the region. This is about flying beyond to Europe, Singapore and Hong Kong. Congrats to Hawaiian.
 
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:17 pm

All I know is if I'm going to Hawaii in a few years, I know I want to take a HA 787. Congrizats to Boeing.
 
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:26 pm

So here we have one of the best-looking liveries out there on one of the best-looking A/C out there. The HA livery beautifully complements the 787-9 and I'm once more convinced that I've yet to see a livery that pleases my eyes more than Hawaiian's.
Still, it's a bit of a shame that the A330-800 didn't pull through. I'd love to see Airbus succeed with that one.
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines A330neo's?

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:30 pm

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aviationfan12 wrote:
And Currently, both A321neos are grounded due to the PW Engine issue which probably makes Hawaiian very frustrated with Airbus currently.


Yeah, you're right! :silly: Hawaiian is as frustrated with Airbus as Virgin Atlantic & Air New Zealand are frustrated with Boeing due to the 787 engine problems! :sarcastic:


Well, I'd say that Hawaiian is very frustrated with Pratt & Whitney (not with Airbus) because of the problems with the PW1000G GTF engine on the Airbus A321neo, in the same way that Air New Zealand and Virgin Atlantic are frustrated with Rolls-Royce (not with Boeing) because of the problems with the Trent 1000 on the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
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Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:33 pm

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The timing of the cancellation is curious to me in that the 787 order isn't firm yet. Why cancel without a firm 787 deal in place?


I am going to guess the A330-800 order was at a point where if HA did not cancel, their could have been (additional) penalties. As the next Board of Directors meeting is not until later this year, the 787 order will need to wait until they convene and formally vote approval.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines A330neo's?

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:36 pm

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Aren't Aer Lingus supposed to be going A330 Neo instead of A350 since IAG ownership ? Could be a future order there ? I imagine other A332 fleets could follow suit too.


Is likely that some airlines which already have the Airbus A330 (A330ceo) may order the A330neo instead of either the A350XWB or the Boeing 787 Dreamliner (unless they have the resources for making the transition to either one of them).
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:37 pm

Congrats Boeing, GE and Hawaiian.

Good for America and American workers.
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Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:42 pm

jfk777 wrote:
SO will it be Heathrow or Gatwick ? This about more then the Asia-Pacific since HA already flies to many places in the region. This is about flying beyond to Europe, Singapore and Hong Kong. Congrats to Hawaiian.


Non-stop UK-Hawaii on HA by 2023? I'll still take the under on that.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines A330neo's?

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:47 pm

O530CarrisPT wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
aviationfan12 wrote:
And Currently, both A321neos are grounded due to the PW Engine issue which probably makes Hawaiian very frustrated with Airbus currently.


Yeah, you're right! :silly: Hawaiian is as frustrated with Airbus as Virgin Atlantic & Air New Zealand are frustrated with Boeing due to the 787 engine problems! :sarcastic:


Well, I'd say that Hawaiian is very frustrated with Pratt & Whitney (not with Airbus) because of the problems with the PW1000G GTF engine on the Airbus A321neo, in the same way that Air New Zealand and Virgin Atlantic are frustrated with Rolls-Royce (not with Boeing) because of the problems with the Trent 1000 on the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.


My previous post which you quoted was purely sarcastic, planemakers shouldn't be blamed for engine problems.
 
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Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:54 pm

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Do we need to remind Leeham that an aircraft sold from Washington state to Hawaiian isn't international commerce? I guess we do.


Here is the thing though - Airbus is also a US company now. So its technically a domestic dispute as well as international. Boeing are so hypocritical its hilarious.
 
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Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:54 pm

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The crowd here should apologize to Scott Hamilton (at least some).
Clearly not bushit what he says.

Flyglobal

Damn straight. The Airbus fanboys were totally out of line on this forum.

I'm not surprised at all that the 787 won. Most of us did not expect Boeing would get production costs down and production volume up so quickly. Nor did we expect Boeing's optimistic weight and fuel burn projections to actually come true.

I guess that's what you get when you spend $20+ billion on development.
 
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:55 pm

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Congrats Boeing, GE and Hawaiian.

Good for America and American workers.


...and Japan, Korea, Italy and many others that produce parts for the 787-9.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines A330neo's?

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:56 pm

O530CarrisPT wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
aviationfan12 wrote:
And Currently, both A321neos are grounded due to the PW Engine issue which probably makes Hawaiian very frustrated with Airbus currently.


Yeah, you're right! :silly: Hawaiian is as frustrated with Airbus as Virgin Atlantic & Air New Zealand are frustrated with Boeing due to the 787 engine problems! :sarcastic:


Well, I'd say that Hawaiian is very frustrated with Pratt & Whitney (not with Airbus) because of the problems with the PW1000G GTF engine on the Airbus A321neo, in the same way that Air New Zealand and Virgin Atlantic are frustrated with Rolls-Royce (not with Boeing) because of the problems with the Trent 1000 on the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.



No to the first post, they are not grounded. This is from 2 minutes ago.

https://imgur.com/a/FSx9E
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:56 pm

10+10 that seems to be rather different in size from the order of 6 338. Are they going to displace 332s too?
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:57 pm

L0VE2FLY wrote:
O530CarrisPT wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:

Yeah, you're right! :silly: Hawaiian is as frustrated with Airbus as Virgin Atlantic & Air New Zealand are frustrated with Boeing due to the 787 engine problems! :sarcastic:


Well, I'd say that Hawaiian is very frustrated with Pratt & Whitney (not with Airbus) because of the problems with the PW1000G GTF engine on the Airbus A321neo, in the same way that Air New Zealand and Virgin Atlantic are frustrated with Rolls-Royce (not with Boeing) because of the problems with the Trent 1000 on the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.


My previous post which you quoted was purely sarcastic, planemakers shouldn't be blamed for engine problems.


I know that airframe manufacturers should not be blamed for engine problems. Engine manufacturers should be blamed for those. So, I was putting the blame for the engine problems in the right place. So, I do apologise for any kind of confusion which I may have caused.
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Re: It's Official, Hawaiian Chooses The 787-9's

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:58 pm

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What does he mean by 'routes underperforming by the A330ceo'? Objectively, I'd like to know what types of issues he's talking about.

I'm not trying to dog the A330 as it is a very fine and capable aircraft. Every aircraft has its pros and cons. I'm just wondering if anyone has more specifics about the instances he's referring to.


He's referring to the financial performance of the A330ceo. Some routes do not make economical sense with the current A330-200.
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Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:04 am

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As I noted in th other thread, interesting that they selected GE and not RR (which powers their A332s and would power their A338 if they keep that order).


Especially given that their average stage length is not long for a 787 operator. Seems like the current Trent 1000 issues may be causing long-term damage to RR.
 
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:07 am

I’ll say this, disappointed it won’t be the 330Neo because I wanted to see some out west (perhaps DL will have theirs out west, I’ll admit I haven’t been following them recently) but I do understand with the reasoning with the 789 for Hawaiian.
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:07 am

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10+10 that seems to be rather different in size from the order of 6 338. Are they going to displace 332s too?


It appears seven of the A330-200s are leased and at least two would be approaching the 10 year mark in 2021 so it does not seem implausible that HA could be looking at replacing some or all of those leased frames with 787s at a future date.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines A330neo's?

Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:09 am

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And Currently, both A321neos are grounded due to the PW Engine issue which probably makes Hawaiian very frustrated with Airbus currently.


That doesn't make any sense: the first A321neo was never affected by the AD, and the second A321neo got its engines replaced and was put back in service. FR24 confirms both aircraft are in service.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:19 am

KarelXWB wrote:
aviationfan12 wrote:
And Currently, both A321neos are grounded due to the PW Engine issue which probably makes Hawaiian very frustrated with Airbus currently.


That doesn't make any sense: the first A321neo was never affected by the AD, and the second A321neo got its engines replaced and was put back in service. FR24 confirms both aircraft are in service.


maximairways wrote:

No to the first post, they are not grounded. This is from 2 minutes ago.

https://imgur.com/a/FSx9E


Ok. I made a mistake here. I confirm that both HA A321neos (N202HA and N204HA) are currently flying (FR24 indicates that N202HA is flying the HA24 flight; and the N204HA is flying the HA40 flight).
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:19 am

Wonder what our buddy Zeke has to say about all this.

Maybe we should close the thread and open a new one to celebrate with HA?
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:22 am

If HA have already decided they would be choosing between 339 or 789 in their RFP instead of 338 then Airbus should probably know much earlier that they are not going to take those 338, even if they ultimately stay with 330neo?
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:25 am

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10+10 that seems to be rather different in size from the order of 6 338. Are they going to displace 332s too?


Aren't they retiring the 767 fleet? 6 A338s and 3 767s makes already 9 aircaft.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:32 am

So I was wrong HA would go for the A359. It also seems that a.net’s armchair securities lawyers are just as useless.

Congrats to BCA and HA, and especially plane spotters and photographers. That is gonna be a gorgeous lookin bird!
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:33 am

Andre3K wrote:
All I know is if I'm going to Hawaii in a few years, I know I want to take a HA 787. Congrizats to Boeing.

Why is that? I would much rather be on any Airbus widebody. (Let's keep Air Asia cruel's seating layout out of scope for this discussion). The only exceptions of Boeing widebody I am happy to fly are: any 767, 777 on DL, non-retrofitted 772 on UA, or 787 on JL. Even 747s are marginally more comfortable than the nine abreast 787s.

It is unfortunate that Boeing did not "sabotage" cabin width to cause 787s to fit 8 abreast ONLY. They should have made the cabin 6 inches more narrow. Alternately, if they had certified the aircraft to DISALLOW cabin insulation removal, it may also have done the trick! Thicker insulation that doesn't make the aircraft too quiet would have been ideal, which gets me to my next point ...

An unintended problem for the 787 is they are TOO QUIET! I would much rather hear the ROAR of the engines to drown out things I don't wanna hear... I don't want to involuntarily hear conversations two rows away or hear a crying baby in another class of service. Getting a GOOD NAP is much harder on a 787! Music is not a good solution either. Why? Because music has melody that is not soothing the way background noise is! ;)
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:36 am

KarelXWB wrote:
c933103 wrote:
10+10 that seems to be rather different in size from the order of 6 338. Are they going to displace 332s too?


Aren't they retiring the 767 fleet? 6 A338s and 3 767s makes already 9 aircaft.

Wouldn’t they be retiring the 763s either way? At the least it’s +4.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:37 am

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If HA have already decided they would be choosing between 339 or 789 in their RFP instead of 338 then Airbus should probably know much earlier that they are not going to take those 338, even if they ultimately stay with 330neo?


I'm puzzled about the A339 being part of the RFP. If HA wants to fly to Europe, the A339 doesn't have the legs.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:39 am

Maybe they can launch HKG after the 789s arrive.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:41 am

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So I was wrong HA would go for the A359.


Fundamentally IMO what won this order for the 789 over the 350 was that the 787 is competitive in the medium range area as well as long range area, because of it's lighter weight for similar performance.

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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:43 am

KarelXWB wrote:
c933103 wrote:
If HA have already decided they would be choosing between 339 or 789 in their RFP instead of 338 then Airbus should probably know much earlier that they are not going to take those 338, even if they ultimately stay with 330neo?


I'm puzzled about the A339 being part of the RFP. If HA wants to fly to Europe, the A339 doesn't have the legs.

I’m a bit surprised they even mentioned that were also looking at the A330-900 in the press release.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:44 am

KarelXWB wrote:
c933103 wrote:
10+10 that seems to be rather different in size from the order of 6 338. Are they going to displace 332s too?


Aren't they retiring the 767 fleet? 6 A338s and 3 767s makes already 9 aircaft.

Aren't they replacing some of those 767 with 321 from what I am reading on the forum?

Ruscoe wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
So I was wrong HA would go for the A359.


Fundamentally IMO what won this order for the 789 over the 350 was that the 787 is competitive in the medium range area as well as long range area, because of it's lighter weight for similar performance.

Ruscoe

And aircraft size? Plus from what I read it was RFP between 339 and 789 not 350
 
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Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:45 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
ikramerica wrote:
Hamilton was wrong in that they didn’t cancel when he first broke the news. But by the time Zeke was insisting that he changed his information 4 days ago, HA had by then already canceled the A338...


The timing of the cancellation is curious to me in that the 787 order isn't firm yet. Why cancel without a firm 787 deal in place? Some have suggested Boeing is paying cancellation penalties for HA (though we don't know if they exist or if that's true), but I'd think they'd get a signed deal before nixing the A338 order first.

Guess it doesn't really matter. It's not like it was a secret at this point anyhow.
I wonder if March 1 was a significant date they had to cancel by?
 
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:47 am

Polot wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
c933103 wrote:
If HA have already decided they would be choosing between 339 or 789 in their RFP instead of 338 then Airbus should probably know much earlier that they are not going to take those 338, even if they ultimately stay with 330neo?


I'm puzzled about the A339 being part of the RFP. If HA wants to fly to Europe, the A339 doesn't have the legs.

I’m a bit surprised they even mentioned that were also looking at the A330-900 in the press release.

Perhaps they were looking at expected MTOW increase for the 339 and want to see if Airbus can offer a competitive increased payload range capability to finish the mission they want to fly after MTOW increase? Or the 339 was added there just for the sake of being a shadow competitor?
 
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:52 am

So in the end, HA got what they wanted - an aircraft with similar qualities and capabilities of the A350-800! Only that it will arrive about 10 years later! That is significant because HA's plans might have changed in that time. Now they are more ambitious and they also figured that the larger B787-9s are needed to increase their capacity. GE engines may seem to be a surprise but these are now well sorted out and fuel burn is good. Congratulations to Boeing and HA!
 
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Re: Update: Hawaiian signs 787 LOI

Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:11 am

hz747300 wrote:
Maybe they can launch HKG after the 789s arrive.

Some other possibilities are PER, YUL (maybe seasonal), DTW (seasonal), BNA (seasonal). SHA could use another frequency (since only one carrier operates it) and would depend on gubmint approval.

Some "thinking out-of-the-box" seasonal "sub-daily" destinations are: SCL, EZE and MEX.

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