qf789 wrote:

planemanofnz wrote:

qf789 wrote:

QF through their own research have said the PER-LHR flight will add $770 million to the WA economy over the next 10 years.

Fingers crossed that it lasts that long, with potential SYD / MEL - LHR non-stop flights within that period eroding the value of a dedicated PER flight.

Cheers,

C.

Alan Joyce has said the airlines studies show a lot of business travellers, particurlarly those in the resource sector stop in Perth on their way to the UK.

The above comment is published in todays commemorative liftout in today's West Australian which is currently in a hardprint edition only.

Furthermore even if SYD-LHR starts in 2022, MEL-LHR won't. 3 frames would be required to start SYD-LHR and another 3 to start SYD-JFK and both these routes would take precedent over MEL-LHR, so in actual fact MEL-LHR may start in 2023-24 at the earliest at which PER-LHR should be able to stand on its own rights.

Thai77w wrote:

I flew MCY-MEL on a 717 in Jan. is that also getting flicked?

Flyingsottsman wrote:

DeltaB717 wrote:

a36001 wrote:

If the 717 is no longer flying MEL>HBA or SYD>HBA until October what is happening to the Hobart based Cabin Crew and Pilots that are based there? Those crew (at least I know for certain cabin crew are not) are not qualified to operate 737's.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the B717s are being withdrawn from MEL but not from HBA. They will no longer operate MEL-CBR, MEL-HBA, MEL-SYD or MEL-BNE (as of this coming weekend), but will return to operating SYD-HBA (again, from this coming weekend). That will probably mean a reduction in the number of crew based in HBA, but their rostering may be reworked in some way to make up for the loss of the MEL route. Or, they may be offered relocation to another base, perhaps. I also mentioned that I expect further (re)deployment of the B717 fleet once they're through the maintenance period that currently has 2 at a time in the hangar in CBR. Perhaps that's a return to the MEL flying, perhaps it will be other things, I don't know, but I do know there are currently only 9-10 lines of 2-class B717 flying in the schedule.

Does that mean there will be no more 717s at Melbourne at all?

DeltaB717 wrote:

Thai77w wrote:

I flew MCY-MEL on a 717 in Jan. is that also getting flicked?

That flight was only ever seasonal (and, until now, I'd seen nothing to suggest it had operated at all over summer 17-18).

Flyingsottsman wrote:

DeltaB717 wrote:

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the B717s are being withdrawn from MEL but not from HBA. They will no longer operate MEL-CBR, MEL-HBA, MEL-SYD or MEL-BNE (as of this coming weekend), but will return to operating SYD-HBA (again, from this coming weekend). That will probably mean a reduction in the number of crew based in HBA, but their rostering may be reworked in some way to make up for the loss of the MEL route. Or, they may be offered relocation to another base, perhaps. I also mentioned that I expect further (re)deployment of the B717 fleet once they're through the maintenance period that currently has 2 at a time in the hangar in CBR. Perhaps that's a return to the MEL flying, perhaps it will be other things, I don't know, but I do know there are currently only 9-10 lines of 2-class B717 flying in the schedule.

Does that mean there will be no more 717s at Melbourne at all?

That is correct. As I said, what will happen in future scheduling seasons is anyone's guess, but as of now there are no B717 sectors scheduled at MEL for all of NS18.

redroo wrote:

BHP is based on Melbourne, but the big office is in Perth. There is considerable traffic between the two and then onto London (and Singapore). Rio Tinto is more Brisbane / Perth / London.

qf789 wrote:

planemanofnz wrote:

qf789 wrote:

QF through their own research have said the PER-LHR flight will add $770 million to the WA economy over the next 10 years.

Fingers crossed that it lasts that long, with potential SYD / MEL - LHR non-stop flights within that period eroding the value of a dedicated PER flight.

Cheers,

C.

Alan Joyce has said the airlines studies show a lot of business travellers, particurlarly those in the resource sector stop in Perth on their way to the UK.

The above comment is published in todays commemorative liftout in today's West Australian which is currently in a hardprint edition only.

Furthermore even if SYD-LHR starts in 2022, MEL-LHR won't. 3 frames would be required to start SYD-LHR and another 3 to start SYD-JFK and both these routes would take precedent over MEL-LHR, so in actual fact MEL-LHR may start in 2023-24 at the earliest at which PER-LHR should be able to stand on its own rights.

planemanofnz wrote:

redroo wrote:

BHP is based on Melbourne, but the big office is in Perth. There is considerable traffic between the two and then onto London (and Singapore). Rio Tinto is more Brisbane / Perth / London.

We're talking about ~1650 seats each way, per week on this service - are BHP and Rio really flying enough people between Australia and the UK per week, to bother mentioning? What is "considerable traffic"? IMHO, a better of example of companies supporting a route is EI's DUB - SFO, where 1) they must buy a minimum number of seats per flight, and 2) the number of companies involved is far greater than two.
Cheers,
C.

JBusworth wrote:

BNE-PER-LHR

waoz1 wrote:

Don't think a lot of people can let go the fact that as of saturday there is going to be a Perth to London direct flight.
It happening so move on and give up arguing about it.. getting really really boring.

Might of been forgotten Perth has a huge UK expat population .... so we aren't just talking Rio and BHP.

Gemuser wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

Don't think a lot of people can let go the fact that as of saturday there is going to be a Perth to London direct flight.
It happening so move on and give up arguing about it.. getting really really boring.

Might of been forgotten Perth has a huge UK expat population .... so we aren't just talking Rio and BHP.

Actually there have been a "DIRECT" PER-LHR flight for decades, at least 3!
What is starting on Saturday is the first "NON-STOP" PER-LHR. QF1 SYD-SIN-LHR will still be a "DIRECT" flight.

Gemuser

waoz1 wrote:

Don't think a lot of people can let go the fact that as of saturday there is going to be a Perth to London direct flight.
It happening so move on and give up arguing about it.. getting really really boring.

Might of been forgotten Perth has a huge UK expat population .... so we aren't just talking Rio and BHP.

A Qantas spokeswoman said: "We are always looking at our network for new route opportunities, however we have no current plans for Canberra – Hobart."

​Virgin was also contacted for comment.

TasFlyer wrote:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/chief-minister-andrew-barr-keen-for-direct-flights-from-canberra-to-hobart-20180320-h0xq1l.html

A Qantas spokeswoman said: "We are always looking at our network for new route opportunities, however we have no current plans for Canberra – Hobart."

​Virgin was also contacted for comment.

As I posted recently, once the 717s have finished MX it would be great if QF kept the 73H on the first HBA-MEL, and used the 717 to operate an early HBA-CBR and evening CBR-HBA service. The loads on DJ back in the day looked OK; the reason the route was cut is because the E90 was being replaced with the AT7 on CBR-SYD, so there was no longer a way for the E90 to get to CBR to operate the CBR-HBA leg. QF would get more government travel than VA too.

a7ala wrote:

TasFlyer wrote:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/chief-minister-andrew-barr-keen-for-direct-flights-from-canberra-to-hobart-20180320-h0xq1l.html

A Qantas spokeswoman said: "We are always looking at our network for new route opportunities, however we have no current plans for Canberra – Hobart."

​Virgin was also contacted for comment.

As I posted recently, once the 717s have finished MX it would be great if QF kept the 73H on the first HBA-MEL, and used the 717 to operate an early HBA-CBR and evening CBR-HBA service. The loads on DJ back in the day looked OK; the reason the route was cut is because the E90 was being replaced with the AT7 on CBR-SYD, so there was no longer a way for the E90 to get to CBR to operate the CBR-HBA leg. QF would get more government travel than VA too.

I wonder if operating it as HBA-CBR-WLG-CBR-HBA might be an option to replace SQ and provide a direct flight HBA-WLG to assist the loads on the HBA-CBR flights?

Would give you your morning flight to CBR and evening from CBR.

TasFlyer wrote:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/chief-minister-andrew-barr-keen-for-direct-flights-from-canberra-to-hobart-20180320-h0xq1l.html

A Qantas spokeswoman said: "We are always looking at our network for new route opportunities, however we have no current plans for Canberra – Hobart."

​Virgin was also contacted for comment.

As I posted recently, once the 717s have finished MX it would be great if QF kept the 73H on the first HBA-MEL, and used the 717 to operate an early HBA-CBR and evening CBR-HBA service. The loads on DJ back in the day looked OK; the reason the route was cut is because the E90 was being replaced with the AT7 on CBR-SYD, so there was no longer a way for the E90 to get to CBR to operate the CBR-HBA leg. QF would get more government travel than VA too.

Gemuser wrote:

BA, QF at least. This was back in the 1960s, 70s & 80 and up until when BA pulled out of PER, at least.

Gemuser

travelhound wrote:

It looks like the QANTAS group are increasing capacity for the domestic mainlinec oerations, whilst at the same time reducing capacity for Jetstar (63 A320/1 aircraft reduced to 60).

If this is correct we are seeing a reversal of the trend from the last fifteen years.

Over the last 2-3 years the cost of domestic airfares has been rising at a rate greater than inflation. As such we could be witnessing the two major airlines acting more like a cartel, than agresive competing airflines.

Maybe it's time for the government to try and encourage a third airline.

waoz1 wrote:

AJ on 6pr this morning
Re - Bookings on new Perth London

60% bookings ex perth
40% bookings ex east
With demand high.

qf789 wrote:

Skytrax World Top Airports results for 2018 are out

Sydney up 3 to number 20 in the world
Brisbane down 6 to number 22 in the world
Melbourne up 3 to number 27 in the world, T4 also named 3rd best LCC terminal in the world
Gold Coast down 5 points to number 55 in the world
Perth up 12 points to number 59 in the world, also named 2nd most improved airport in the world
Adelaide down 5 points to number 78 in the world

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-ad ... 9d6b31a571

waoz1 wrote:

AJ on 6pr this morning
Re - Bookings on new Perth London

60% bookings ex perth
40% bookings ex east
With demand high.

IndianicWorld wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

AJ on 6pr this morning
Re - Bookings on new Perth London

60% bookings ex perth
40% bookings ex east
With demand high.

Not bad, but one has to remember that this service replaces a 1 x daily A380 flight (MEL-DXB-LHR).

Would be interesting to see what effect it has on EK bookings out of PER, however it seems it has already had an effect on EY.

The endless PR about QF’s 787 and the new PER service has been to another level. They certainly have been masters at hyping it up.

IndianicWorld wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

AJ on 6pr this morning
Re - Bookings on new Perth London

60% bookings ex perth
40% bookings ex east
With demand high.

Not bad, but one has to remember that this service replaces a 1 x daily A380 flight (MEL-DXB-LHR).

Would be interesting to see what effect it has on EK bookings out of PER, however it seems it has already had an effect on EY.

The endless PR about QF’s 787 and the new PER service has been to another level. They certainly have been masters at hyping it up.

qf789 wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

AJ on 6pr this morning
Re - Bookings on new Perth London

60% bookings ex perth
40% bookings ex east
With demand high.

Not bad, but one has to remember that this service replaces a 1 x daily A380 flight (MEL-DXB-LHR).

Would be interesting to see what effect it has on EK bookings out of PER, however it seems it has already had an effect on EY.

The endless PR about QF’s 787 and the new PER service has been to another level. They certainly have been masters at hyping it up.

I have been told this morning that EY has had poor loads recently hence the downgrade, i asked If it was suffering from the QF and QR effect and i was Told no. EY’s downgrade probably has more to do with their own in house problems than anything else.

In regards to the PR for PER-LHR expect it to go up another level tomorrow, from what i have there is going to be a lot of international press in town

jrfspa320 wrote:

With the changes to Perth domestic terminals, it is interesting to see both of the baggage belts in T3 have made way for international ops, which was fairly expected.
This will make the T4 baggage reclaim area very busy, which seems to already struggle with dual A330 arrivals.
How much of the T3 airside space will be given over to international ops? I think the gates 16/17 will become international right?
Will the QFLink gates 18-25 remain?

RyanairGuru wrote:

TasFlyer wrote:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/chief-minister-andrew-barr-keen-for-direct-flights-from-canberra-to-hobart-20180320-h0xq1l.html

A Qantas spokeswoman said: "We are always looking at our network for new route opportunities, however we have no current plans for Canberra – Hobart."

​Virgin was also contacted for comment.

As I posted recently, once the 717s have finished MX it would be great if QF kept the 73H on the first HBA-MEL, and used the 717 to operate an early HBA-CBR and evening CBR-HBA service. The loads on DJ back in the day looked OK; the reason the route was cut is because the E90 was being replaced with the AT7 on CBR-SYD, so there was no longer a way for the E90 to get to CBR to operate the CBR-HBA leg. QF would get more government travel than VA too.

I’m calling bullocks on that as being the reason given that E190s touched down at CBR every single day until they retired the type.

CBR-OOL started as an E170 and is now a daily 73H, double daily on certain days in peak season. CBR-ADL was a daily E190, now daily 73H. CBR-BNE was 4x E190 and is now 3-4x 73H depending on the day. VA have done fine in the Canberra market. If Hobart was showing much, if any, potential then they’d still be flying there.

For QF to have never considered CBR-HBA tells you everything you need to know. Flying time would be under 2 hours on a Q400.

qf789 wrote:

jrfspa320 wrote:

With the changes to Perth domestic terminals, it is interesting to see both of the baggage belts in T3 have made way for international ops, which was fairly expected.
This will make the T4 baggage reclaim area very busy, which seems to already struggle with dual A330 arrivals.
How much of the T3 airside space will be given over to international ops? I think the gates 16/17 will become international right?
Will the QFLink gates 18-25 remain?

No it’s the other way around, gates 16/17 are domestic, the rest of the terminal is for international

qf789 wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

AJ on 6pr this morning
Re - Bookings on new Perth London

60% bookings ex perth
40% bookings ex east
With demand high.

That better than what i expexted from PER

Can you post this info on the inaugural thread

jrfspa320 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

jrfspa320 wrote:

With the changes to Perth domestic terminals, it is interesting to see both of the baggage belts in T3 have made way for international ops, which was fairly expected.
This will make the T4 baggage reclaim area very busy, which seems to already struggle with dual A330 arrivals.
How much of the T3 airside space will be given over to international ops? I think the gates 16/17 will become international right?
Will the QFLink gates 18-25 remain?

No it’s the other way around, gates 16/17 are domestic, the rest of the terminal is for international

Thanks...i thought you might know! Does that mean the long corridor for of 20-25 will be unavailable? Seems a lot of gates to lose..

jrfspa320 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

jrfspa320 wrote:

With the changes to Perth domestic terminals, it is interesting to see both of the baggage belts in T3 have made way for international ops, which was fairly expected.
This will make the T4 baggage reclaim area very busy, which seems to already struggle with dual A330 arrivals.
How much of the T3 airside space will be given over to international ops? I think the gates 16/17 will become international right?
Will the QFLink gates 18-25 remain?

No it’s the other way around, gates 16/17 are domestic, the rest of the terminal is for international

Thanks...i thought you might know! Does that mean the long corridor for of 20-25 will be unavailable? Seems a lot of gates to lose..

qf789 wrote:

jrfspa320 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

No it’s the other way around, gates 16/17 are domestic, the rest of the terminal is for international

Thanks...i thought you might know! Does that mean the long corridor for of 20-25 will be unavailable? Seems a lot of gates to lose..

I checked It out myself last weekend, it’s a bit difficult to describe but here goes you have gates 16/17 where it will remain domestic along with gate 17a. There’s a separate searing section for 17a which has a wall to the right, from this wall is where they have run the glass doors for the swing gate. I was able to have a look at most of the terminal, there’s at least one new eatery, that was ready to open , there was another that looked completely empty, it was blocked off down the end most likely due to the QF lounge. The area for international probably takes up 75% of the terminal which is actually larger than i thought It would be, however saying that if another flight say PER-CDG starts there is enough room to cater for it

redroo wrote:

In reality, the QF71 will use the gates around noon. Most of the east coast flights are done by 3pm. The gates will swing into action around 6pm for the outbound and around the same time as the QF71 for the inbound. Thinking that through, they could probably close that end of the terminal off at lunchtime and leave it closed to international traffic until morning when it re-opens for domestic use.