oskarclare wrote:Air China interested in Chengdu-Brisbane by 2025 as well as links to Vancouver and Dubai etc
http://atwonline.com/airports-routes/ai ... -route-may
eta unknown wrote:I'm not so convinced- I think a lot of these China-Australia flights from 2nd and 3rd tier cities to SYD/MEL will dry up once the subsidies/incentives stop, never mind adding BNE into the mix.
CraigAnderson wrote:Interesting: Qantas ‘flies’ new non-stop Perth to UK path on computer for two years in preparation
"Qantas has been flying the new nonstop Perth-London route for more than two years — on computers. The service begins on March 24. According to Qantas chief technical pilot Alex Passerini, planning for what will be the longest 787 flight began in 2015 when sophisticated strategic planning software was used to examine the route’s viability.
That process involved “flying” the 787 from Perth to London with a near full payload every day using the winds of the day to see what was the optimum flight path and build a database of experience on the performance.
“That allows us to build an archive of data — how the aeroplane performs, the weather conditions that we encounter and that sort of thing,” Capt. Passerini said.
More at https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/qantas-f ... b88763630z
JBusworth wrote:CraigAnderson wrote:Interesting: Qantas ‘flies’ new non-stop Perth to UK path on computer for two years in preparation
"Qantas has been flying the new nonstop Perth-London route for more than two years — on computers. The service begins on March 24. According to Qantas chief technical pilot Alex Passerini, planning for what will be the longest 787 flight began in 2015 when sophisticated strategic planning software was used to examine the route’s viability.
That process involved “flying” the 787 from Perth to London with a near full payload every day using the winds of the day to see what was the optimum flight path and build a database of experience on the performance.
“That allows us to build an archive of data — how the aeroplane performs, the weather conditions that we encounter and that sort of thing,” Capt. Passerini said.
More at https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/qantas-f ... b88763630z
I think that this is a good concept and will hopefully allow Qantas to avoid have to divert the flight to other destinations as they will have a knowledge of the best possible routes.
I presume that at some point they will do similar planning for East Coast flights to London and New York?
JBusworth wrote:CraigAnderson wrote:Interesting: Qantas ‘flies’ new non-stop Perth to UK path on computer for two years in preparation
I think that this is a good concept and will hopefully allow Qantas to avoid have to divert the flight to other destinations
Ruscoe wrote:JBusworth wrote:CraigAnderson wrote:Interesting: Qantas ‘flies’ new non-stop Perth to UK path on computer for two years in preparation
I think that this is a good concept and will hopefully allow Qantas to avoid have to divert the flight to other destinations
My understanding is that the flight will take 17 and half hours to London and 16 and three qtr hours to Perth, and that they will still have an hour of cruise fuel available at LHR, so diversions should not be common. Biggest risk is beating the curfew.
Ruscoe
EK413 wrote:Ruscoe wrote:JBusworth wrote:
My understanding is that the flight will take 17 and half hours to London and 16 and three qtr hours to Perth, and that they will still have an hour of cruise fuel available at LHR, so diversions should not be common. Biggest risk is beating the curfew.
Ruscoe
I believe your referring to the LHR curfew and I agree will be challenging ensuring the flight isn’t delayed ex-MEL with a domino effect. What’s even more concerning is the ex-LAX sector any delay there rolls on.
EK413
EK413 wrote:I believe your referring to the LHR curfew and I agree will be challenging ensuring the flight isn’t delayed ex-MEL with a domino effect. What’s even more concerning is the ex-LAX sector any delay there rolls on.
qf002 wrote:EK413 wrote:I believe your referring to the LHR curfew and I agree will be challenging ensuring the flight isn’t delayed ex-MEL with a domino effect. What’s even more concerning is the ex-LAX sector any delay there rolls on.
It’s an early arrival at LHR that would be a problem, not a delayed one.
qf789 wrote:EK413 wrote:Ruscoe wrote:
My understanding is that the flight will take 17 and half hours to London and 16 and three qtr hours to Perth, and that they will still have an hour of cruise fuel available at LHR, so diversions should not be common. Biggest risk is beating the curfew.
Ruscoe
I believe your referring to the LHR curfew and I agree will be challenging ensuring the flight isn’t delayed ex-MEL with a domino effect. What’s even more concerning is the ex-LAX sector any delay there rolls on.
EK413
Even if there is a delay ex LAX it shouldn't impact the schedule as the aircraft in between the LAX-MEL and MEL-PER sectors spends several hours on the ground. I would actually be more concerned about delays from LHR as that would effect the LHR-PER-MEL flight along with MEL-LAX/SFO-MEL flight particularly with quite tight turnarounds as it is
qf002 wrote:EK413 wrote:I believe your referring to the LHR curfew and I agree will be challenging ensuring the flight isn’t delayed ex-MEL with a domino effect. What’s even more concerning is the ex-LAX sector any delay there rolls on.
It’s an early arrival at LHR that would be a problem, not a delayed one.
CraigAnderson wrote:Interesting: Qantas ‘flies’ new non-stop Perth to UK path on computer for two years in preparation
"Qantas has been flying the new nonstop Perth-London route for more than two years — on computers. The service begins on March 24. According to Qantas chief technical pilot Alex Passerini, planning for what will be the longest 787 flight began in 2015 when sophisticated strategic planning software was used to examine the route’s viability.
That process involved “flying” the 787 from Perth to London with a near full payload every day using the winds of the day to see what was the optimum flight path and build a database of experience on the performance.
“That allows us to build an archive of data — how the aeroplane performs, the weather conditions that we encounter and that sort of thing,” Capt. Passerini said.
More at https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/qantas-f ... b88763630z
jupiter2 wrote:qf002 wrote:EK413 wrote:I believe your referring to the LHR curfew and I agree will be challenging ensuring the flight isn’t delayed ex-MEL with a domino effect. What’s even more concerning is the ex-LAX sector any delay there rolls on.
It’s an early arrival at LHR that would be a problem, not a delayed one.
That's easily rectified, just slow down a bit. Should still have enough fuel to hold if necessary anyway.
jupiter2 wrote:qf002 wrote:EK413 wrote:I believe your referring to the LHR curfew and I agree will be challenging ensuring the flight isn’t delayed ex-MEL with a domino effect. What’s even more concerning is the ex-LAX sector any delay there rolls on.
It’s an early arrival at LHR that would be a problem, not a delayed one.
That's easily rectified, just slow down a bit. Should still have enough fuel to hold if necessary anyway.
qf789 wrote:Story on 16 potential new routes for JQ A321LR's
https://blueswandaily.com/16-potential- ... 321neolrs/
planemanofnz wrote:qf789 wrote:Story on 16 potential new routes for JQ A321LR's
https://blueswandaily.com/16-potential- ... 321neolrs/
AFAIK, those routes are just CAPA hypotheticals, and not grounded in JQ sources?
Further, I'm not so sure that WLG could handle an A321LR service of that distance?
Cheers,
C.
V8CHRGD wrote:
qf789 wrote:Story on 16 potential new routes for JQ A321LR's
https://blueswandaily.com/16-potential- ... 321neolrs/
qf789 wrote:Story on 16 potential new routes for JQ A321LR's
https://blueswandaily.com/16-potential- ... 321neolrs/
tullamarine wrote:This is pretty much a list of routes that are theoretically in range; I wouldn't take anymore from it than that.
tullamarine wrote:Likewise, I'd have to wonder about a route like CHC-PER by a LCC. This route probably needs business travellers to survive.
DavidByrne wrote:V8CHRGD wrote:
Sounds about as likely as Norwegian's flight to EZE.
planemanofnz wrote:tullamarine wrote:This is pretty much a list of routes that are theoretically in range; I wouldn't take anymore from it than that.
Exactly - take Samoa as an example - good luck getting traffic approvals / rights in the current environment, where OL is being protected by withdrawing some of VA's rights.tullamarine wrote:Likewise, I'd have to wonder about a route like CHC-PER by a LCC. This route probably needs business travellers to survive.
What makes you say this - I'd have thought that this was primarily a VFR route and/or low-yielding tourism route? I don't know of much business between CHC and PER?
Cheers,
C.
qf002 wrote:QF has finally confirmed the reconfiguration of six A332s to international spec with an extra toilet in J -
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-revamps ... ource=hero
I'm surprised they aren't doing all eight PTV-equipped -200s.
DavidByrne wrote:V8CHRGD wrote:
Sounds about as likely as Norwegian's flight to EZE.
smi0006 wrote:qf002 wrote:QF has finally confirmed the reconfiguration of six A332s to international spec with an extra toilet in J -
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-revamps ... ource=hero
I'm surprised they aren't doing all eight PTV-equipped -200s.
Great news. Can we see more international flying to Asia then? These changes wouldn’t be needed for the increase in Tasman services.
Where do the two Sky-Bed aircraft fly currently? HNL?
smi0006 wrote:qf002 wrote:QF has finally confirmed the reconfiguration of six A332s to international spec with an extra toilet in J -
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-revamps ... ource=hero
I'm surprised they aren't doing all eight PTV-equipped -200s.
Great news. Can we see more international flying to Asia then? These changes wouldn’t be needed for the increase in Tasman services.
Where do the two Sky-Bed aircraft fly currently? HNL?
smi0006 wrote:Great news. Can we see more international flying to Asia then?
smi0006 wrote:Where do the two Sky-Bed aircraft fly currently? HNL?
smi0006 wrote:qf002 wrote:QF has finally confirmed the reconfiguration of six A332s to international spec with an extra toilet in J -
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-revamps ... ource=hero
I'm surprised they aren't doing all eight PTV-equipped -200s.
Great news. Can we see more international flying to Asia then? These changes wouldn’t be needed for the increase in Tasman services.
Where do the two Sky-Bed aircraft fly currently? HNL?
EK413 wrote:DavidByrne wrote:V8CHRGD wrote:
Sounds about as likely as Norwegian's flight to EZE.
Not that bad considering pax can travel direct PER-HNL & then further 4 hours and they’ll be disembarking east coast of America.smi0006 wrote:qf002 wrote:QF has finally confirmed the reconfiguration of six A332s to international spec with an extra toilet in J -
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-revamps ... ource=hero
I'm surprised they aren't doing all eight PTV-equipped -200s.
Great news. Can we see more international flying to Asia then? These changes wouldn’t be needed for the increase in Tasman services.
Where do the two Sky-Bed aircraft fly currently? HNL?
SYD-PEK and SYD-HNL.
EK413
EK413 wrote:Correction west coast
QF41 wrote:Anyone know why QF23 had an 11hr delay today?
Would have been a long day in the terminal for those passengers!
qf789 wrote:Update on third runway for PER, community consultation should start mid year
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/perth-ai ... b88766343z
oskarclare wrote:Just did a fake search for sydney-haikou on 11 APR and return on 10 July. Fares are riddiculously cheap almost as if they are a mistake.
Outbound SYD-HAK: Economy Saver - $128.98 AUD
Inbound HAK-SYD: Economy Saver - $86.28
This is amazing for someone that wants a quick flight to Haikou. Loads must be pretty bad.
Obzerva wrote:oskarclare wrote:Just did a fake search for sydney-haikou on 11 APR and return on 10 July. Fares are riddiculously cheap almost as if they are a mistake.
Outbound SYD-HAK: Economy Saver - $128.98 AUD
Inbound HAK-SYD: Economy Saver - $86.28
This is amazing for someone that wants a quick flight to Haikou. Loads must be pretty bad.
One of the things I’ve never quite understood about some of the Chinese carriers, they seem to launch routes quite quickly from the timing of the announcement that they will fly the route, giving the flights little chance to fill. If they were trying to beat a competitor to the punch then I could understand the logic but some of the routes are marginal with one carrier, let alone having potential competition, I would have thought they would announce further out allowing time for promotion.
To your point, I think some of the loads might be diabolical, unless they’re pricing the market ex AU cheaper to stimulate demand outbound from AU rather than it being all from China.