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Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:07 pm

Hello,


Do Pan Am has nonstop flights to Oslo ?

Wich Airport were served by Pan Am at Oslo ?


Thank you for a response
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:20 pm

IIRC it was Fornebu and served via London. Flights originated in New York or Miami.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:21 pm

It was the now closed airport called Fornebu in Oslo. It was closed in 1998. Pan Am flew to Fornebu in the early days using Boeing 707''s and later in the 80's and 90's Boeing 727-200's, Boeing 737 and ATR 42. I am guessing the Boeing 707 was a Direct flight to the USA, while later they flew with the smaller aircraft via LHR where passengers changed to usually a Boeing 747 to New York etc

I flew Pan Am Boeing 727-200 between FBU and LHR and then continued on a Pan Am Boeing 747 to New York and return both in 1988 and 1990. In 1990 the return flight to LHR was from MIA on a Boeing 747 and then Boeing 727-200 from LHR to FBU
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:29 pm

Mortyman wrote:
It was the now closed airport called Fornebu in Oslo. It was closed in 1998. Pan Am flew to Fornebu in the early days using Boeing 707''s and later Boeing 727-200's, Boeing 737 and ATR 42


Didn't they also operate A310s nonstop to JFK despite the short runway?
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:52 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
It was the now closed airport called Fornebu in Oslo. It was closed in 1998. Pan Am flew to Fornebu in the early days using Boeing 707''s and later Boeing 727-200's, Boeing 737 and ATR 42


Didn't they also operate A310s nonstop to JFK despite the short runway?


Not sure. I'm afraid I don't have the answer to that one.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:57 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
It was the now closed airport called Fornebu in Oslo. It was closed in 1998. Pan Am flew to Fornebu in the early days using Boeing 707''s and later Boeing 727-200's, Boeing 737 and ATR 42


Didn't they also operate A310s nonstop to JFK despite the short runway?

Yes they did. I flew ARN-FBU-ARN on a PA 310 in August of 1991. The flight went JFK-ARN-FBU-JFK some days of the week, and JFK-FBU-ARN-JFK the other days. Clapped out aircraft but friendly staff both onboard and at their STO ond OSL city offices. And dirt cheap fares for the times...
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:58 pm

Pan Am even flew to Bergen (BGO), not sure if it was via another destination.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:14 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
Yes they did. I flew ARN-FBU-ARN on a PA 310 in August of 1991. The flight went JFK-ARN-FBU-JFK some days of the week, and JFK-FBU-ARN-JFK the other days.


Great to see I wasn't in the field...

JetBuddy wrote:
Pan Am even flew to Bergen (BGO), not sure if it was via another destination.


Except that Bergen is about 200 miles to the west of OSL...
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:20 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
IIRC it was Fornebu and served via London. Flights originated in New York or Miami.


Before the A310, it was probably a 727 to/from LHR, or a 737.
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:56 pm

Pan Am's early 707s went to Gardermoen-- dunno offhand when they moved to FBU.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:34 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
Pan Am even flew to Bergen (BGO), not sure if it was via another destination.


Yes, Pan Am flew to BGO via PIK and FBU in the Summer of '73. Rode this in Sept. 73 JFK- PIK on 707-321B, great trip on but they did loose my luggage!

It was 3 days a week JFK-PIK-BGO, 2 days JFK-FBU-BGO, and the other 2 days JFK-PIK-ARN and JFK-PIK-FBU-ARN. All the FBU flights went VIA PIK.
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:53 pm

I am guessing the Boeing 707 was a Direct flight to the USA,

The runway at FBU would not allow direct ops to the USA. When FBU was open, all long distance aircraft used Gardemoen (the new OSL).

I looked after the TWA Tristar at ARN. It operated JFK-FBU-ARN-JFK. One day some bright spark decided to operate the flight the other way round as there was a huge group out of FBU. It didn't work and they had to fly FBU-Gardemoen to refuel then off to JFK.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:57 pm

American 767 wrote:
MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
IIRC it was Fornebu and served via London. Flights originated in New York or Miami.


Before the A310, it was probably a 727 to/from LHR, or a 737.



Mortyman wrote:
It was the now closed airport called Fornebu in Oslo. It was closed in 1998. Pan Am flew to Fornebu in the early days using Boeing 707''s and later in the 80's and 90's Boeing 727-200's, Boeing 737 and ATR 42. I am guessing the Boeing 707 was a Direct flight to the USA, while later they flew with the smaller aircraft via LHR where passengers changed to usually a Boeing 747 to New York etc

I flew Pan Am Boeing 727-200 between FBU and LHR and then continued on a Pan Am Boeing 747 to New York and return both in 1988 and 1990. In 1990 the return flight to LHR was from MIA on a Boeing 747 and then Boeing 727-200 from LHR to FBU
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:07 pm

For some time Pan Am had hubs at both LHR and FRA, perhaps at ORY/CDG too.
Pan Am was flying wide-body between USA and those airports and operating feeder flights with B727 B737. OSL (FBU) was at one point flown from one of those.
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:33 pm

Sadly there seems to be only one photo of Pan Am in Norway:

Pan Am Boeing 707-321C at Fornebu in 1973:




Some other Americans at Fornebu:


A TWA Boeing 727-100 at Fornebu in 1990:



and another one:

A TWA Lockheed L-1011-385-1-15 TriStar 100 at Fornebu in 1989:



Delta Airlines Airbus 310 at Fornebu in 1994:

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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:35 pm

From my recollection there were also flights ex FBU and ARN to TXL with 727s for some season. I think they stopped at CPH.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:48 pm

Tristarsteve wrote:
I am guessing the Boeing 707 was a Direct flight to the USA,

The runway at FBU would not allow direct ops to the USA. When FBU was open, all long distance aircraft used Gardemoen (the new OSL).


This is wrong, although only smaller widebodies could do it. SAS flew nonstop FBU-EWR with 767-300ER, and after "inheriting" the route from PanAm, Delta flew FBU-JFK with A310 for a time during the early 90s
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:51 pm

There was also LHR-FBU-HEL flight with B737 in the end of 80's.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:05 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Tristarsteve wrote:
I am guessing the Boeing 707 was a Direct flight to the USA,

The runway at FBU would not allow direct ops to the USA. When FBU was open, all long distance aircraft used Gardemoen (the new OSL).


This is wrong, although only smaller widebodies could do it. SAS flew nonstop FBU-EWR with 767-300ER, and after "inheriting" the route from PanAm, Delta flew FBU-JFK with A310 for a time during the early 90s


Indeed, SAS also flew their DC-10 and Airbus 300 there. The Boeing 747 would have weight limits though.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:40 am

Don't recall how long Fornebu's runway was-- 2100+ meters? Maybe this guy has a diagram

https://www.flickr.com/photos/12530375@N08

Yup-- says 2370 meters. No date on that one, tho.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/12530375@ ... 3905448241
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:48 am

timz wrote:
Don't recall how long Fornebu's runway was-- 2100+ meters? Maybe this guy has a diagram

https://www.flickr.com/photos/12530375@N08

Yup-- says 2370 meters. No date on that one, tho.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/12530375@ ... 3905448241



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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:28 am

JetBuddy wrote:
Pan Am even flew to Bergen (BGO), not sure if it was via another destination.

I was on one of those flights. Can't remember the direction, but I think I was flying to/from Cologne or Dusseldorf from Oslo. Some strange routing on Pan Am had me stopping for a few minutes in Bergen. Probably around 1975. Perhaps I had to change in Frankfurt. Anyone remember where that Bergen flight went to?
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:46 pm

PA moved to Fornebu in 1967; that summer the DC8 to JFK went via Prestwick, but starting in June 1968 707s flew nonstop FBU-JFK.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:01 pm

NW flew MSP OSL and BOS-OSL for a short time in the early 80'S
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:54 pm

As mentioned, there were numerous long haul flights on smaller wide bodies at FBU. Delta and SAS were the ones I'm most aware of. I believe TWA had scheduled long haul out of FBU during the early 1990's, too?

I'm surprised nobody has brought this up, but long haul flights on larger wide-bodies that couldn't utilize FBU's runway, also used the present day OSL airport (previously coded GEN) during the 1980's. Back then it was primarily a Norwegian military airfield, with a small improvised passenger terminal to accommodate these flights.

From what I've heard, the facility was about comparable to that of Tower Air's JFK "terminal"

I know SAS flew 747's and DC-10's out of there to JFK and possibly others.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:13 pm

georgiabill wrote:
NW flew MSP OSL and BOS-OSL for a short time in the early 80'S

...and/or late 90s...
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:27 pm

I couldn't remember of DL flew it with the 310 or the L15. Thanks for posting that pic.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:17 pm

aklrno wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
Anyone remember where that Bergen flight went to?

In summer 1976 and 1977 the 727 flew LHR-Bergen-FBU and returned nonstop FBU-LHR next day.

FBU's runway was 2200 meters in 1974.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:58 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
georgiabill wrote:
NW flew MSP OSL and BOS-OSL for a short time in the early 80'S

...and/or late 90s...


NW started those two routes in 1979 with the B747 and they only lasted a few years ending in the early to mid 1980's and not the late 90's.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:02 pm

NWA did fly MSPOSL in the summer of 1998, seasonally, with a DC-10. They had a cofeshare agreement with Braathens also for additional feed in Norway.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:11 pm

For most of the 80s, PA flew the 727 LHR-FBU. In the late 80s, it was PA98 MIA-LHR-FBU-HEL where the first leg was a 747, and then switched to a 727 for LHR-FBU-HEL; they had no local traffic rights between LHR and FBU.

In 1990, they (re)-started nonstop JFK-FBU flights with the A310 a few times a week
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:34 pm

USPIT10L wrote:
NWA did fly MSPOSL in the summer of 1998, seasonally, with a DC-10. They had a cofeshare agreement with Braathens also for additional feed in Norway.

Correct. Braathens also fed to ARN.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:48 pm

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
As mentioned, there were numerous long haul flights on smaller wide bodies at FBU. Delta and SAS were the ones I'm most aware of. I believe TWA had scheduled long haul out of FBU during the early 1990's, too?

I'm surprised nobody has brought this up, but long haul flights on larger wide-bodies that couldn't utilize FBU's runway, also used the present day OSL airport (previously coded GEN) during the 1980's. Back then it was primarily a Norwegian military airfield, with a small improvised passenger terminal to accommodate these flights.

From what I've heard, the facility was about comparable to that of Tower Air's JFK "terminal"

I know SAS flew 747's and DC-10's out of there to JFK and possibly others.


GEN was also used for all charter flights, mainly to the Mediterranean, untill it all became OSL in 1998

TWA flew JFK-OSL-ARN-JFK with the Tristar in the late 80s
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:44 pm

panamair wrote:
For most of the 80s, PA flew the 727 LHR-FBU. In the late 80s, it was PA98 MIA-LHR-FBU-HEL where the first leg was a 747, and then switched to a 727 for LHR-FBU-HEL; they had no local traffic rights between LHR and FBU.

In 1990, they (re)-started nonstop JFK-FBU flights with the A310 a few times a week


They were transitioning from large 747s to smaller A310s to offer nonstop or more direct services, at lower costs, instead of what had prevailed until then on their European network.
 
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Re: Pan Am at Oslo

Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:04 pm

USPIT10L wrote:
NWA did fly MSPOSL in the summer of 1998, seasonally, with a DC-10. They had a cofeshare agreement with Braathens also for additional feed in Norway.


I knew that NW were using DC10 towards the end of their Oslo operation and I was aware of the codeshare arrangement with Braathens but to be honest I wasn't totally aware that it lasted to the late 1990's so I stand corrected on that and I appreciate it.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:08 pm

Cunard wrote:
USPIT10L wrote:
NWA did fly MSPOSL in the summer of 1998, seasonally, with a DC-10. They had a cofeshare agreement with Braathens also for additional feed in Norway.


I knew that NW were using DC10 towards the end of their Oslo operation and I was aware of the codeshare arrangement with Braathens but to be honest I wasn't totally aware that it lasted to the late 1990's so I stand corrected on that and I appreciate it.

To make it clear: it came back for just one summer season, in 1998.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:53 pm

Oh right well that makes things a bit more clearer then.
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:16 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
Cunard wrote:
USPIT10L wrote:
NWA did fly MSPOSL in the summer of 1998, seasonally, with a DC-10. They had a cofeshare agreement with Braathens also for additional feed in Norway.


I knew that NW were using DC10 towards the end of their Oslo operation and I was aware of the codeshare arrangement with Braathens but to be honest I wasn't totally aware that it lasted to the late 1990's so I stand corrected on that and I appreciate it.

To make it clear: it came back for just one summer season, in 1998.



The flight lasted less than six months. It was actually summer 1999. OSL wasn't open yet in summer 1998.

I remember sitting at the gate waiting on my Icelandair flight at OSL in August 1999 when this flight arrived from MSP. I specifically remember the arrival board showing it was arriving from SFO-MSP-OSL.

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