RainerBoeing777
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American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:23 am

Philadelphia has become the doors of the Atlantic for American Airlines this summer will have more than 19 daily flights to Europe, with Boeing 757-200, Boeing 767-300ER, Airbus 330-200 and Airbus A330-300, recently the B763 were added to the routes ZRH, BUD, PRG and LIS this summer

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Summer routes 2018

Amsterdam (AMS) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Dublin (DUB) Airbus A330-200 Daily
London (LHR) Airbus A330-300 Daily , Airbus A330-200 Daily
Madrid (MAD) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Manchester (MAN) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Munich (MUC) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Paris (CDG) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Rome (FCO) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Zurich (ZRH) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
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seasonal
Athens (ATH) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Barcelona (BCN) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Budapest (BUD) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Frankfurt (FRA) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Glasgow (GLA) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Lisbon (LIS) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Prague (PRG) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Shannon (SNN) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Venice (VCE) Airbus A330-300 Daily

With regard to the aircraft fleet what will be your future? the B757, B767 and A333 are already somewhat old, and the strategy in the past of US Airways was to implement Airbus A350-900 are still in order but AA has constantly differentiated them I think it is an aircraft with a lot of range and capacity to operate in PHL to europe, same with the Dreamliner family have the necessary capacity to operate these routes but they have too much range, in my opinion a fleet composed of A330neo and Boeing 787-10 would be ideal for AA is its operations in PHL, the Boeing 787-10 will would use for its routes of more capacity as London Heathrow, Manchester, Munich and Rome, and the A330neo the rest of the routes, the Airbus A321neo LR has range for certain destinations in Europe but although I do not think it is the right one to replace the Boeing 757

What do you recommend as a new destination in the future, some route in Scandinavia such as Oslo, Stockholm or Helsinki? , another destination in Germany like Berlin or Dusseldof? , or other destinations such as Milan, Brussels, Birminghan, Edinburgh that in the past were US Airways destinations from PHL

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Philadelphia is an excellent HUB for the excellent American Airlines operations that exploit the potential of this HUB that had something neglected
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:40 am

The new seasonal additions plus the ZRH route (moving from JFK) were announced a while back. PHL was the primary gateway to Europe for USAirways pre-merger and much of that route map is essentially legacy USAirways. The only real change is the deployment of LAA 767-300ER's for the ZRH, BUD, and PRG routes.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:39 am

I'd like to see OSL or ARN, CPH makes sense too. Not much NA airline presence in Scandinavia besides AC in CPH year round, DL seasonal, and UA seasonal in ARN. A seasonal OSL route would make sense, I could also see CPH as it is a fairly large market. The only thing that would make HEL a reasonable add would be Finnair code shares. I think a route to one of these four places is definitely warranted.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:50 am

As OP said, DUS or TXL would make sense as new routes, since they are underserved.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:51 am

BWIAirport wrote:
I find it hard to believe a PHL-Asia flight couldn't be supported. I would think AA could send a 5x weekly 788 PHL-NRT and fill it with no problem

Maybe skittish due to PHL-PEK (or was it SHA?) was abandoned after being awarded.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:53 am

I find it hard to believe a PHL-Asia flight couldn't be supported. I would think AA could send a 5x weekly 788 PHL-NRT and fill it with no problem
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:00 am

BWIAirport wrote:
I find it hard to believe a PHL-Asia flight couldn't be supported. I would think AA could send a 5x weekly 788 PHL-NRT and fill it with no problem

Maybe one of the problems is that AA's affinity for JL is less than UA's affinity for NH.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:43 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
The new seasonal additions plus the ZRH route (moving from JFK) were announced a while back. PHL was the primary gateway to Europe for USAirways pre-merger and much of that route map is essentially legacy USAirways. The only real change is the deployment of LAA 767-300ER's for the ZRH, BUD, and PRG routes.

BUD and PRG were never served by US Airways.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:40 am

Anyone know what AA is running out of JFK this summer for Comparison?

Phl offers the connection power and a fortress hub, if you want to make money phl makes way more than very competitive JFK.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:21 am

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Anyone know what AA is running out of JFK this summer for Comparison?

Phl offers the connection power and a fortress hub, if you want to make money phl makes way more than very competitive JFK.

Barcelona (BCN) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Buenos Aires (EZE) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
London Heathrow - Boeing 777-200ER/-300ER 6 Daily
Madrid (MAD) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
Milan (MXP) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Paris (CDG) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Rio de Janeiro (GIG) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
Sao Paulo (GRU) - Boeing 777-300ER Daily
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Seasonal
Rome (FCO) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Dublin (DUB) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Edinburg (EDI) - Boeing 757-200 Daily

For years AA has decreased the number of destinations and frequencies in JFK I think it is a weaker HUB, Delta Airlines and JetBlue are leading JFK , have decreased a lot in Latin America and Europe, and lost their flights to Asia, I hope that in a future AA improve their connections in JFK
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:53 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Amsterdam (AMS) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Dublin (DUB) Airbus A330-200 Daily
London (LHR) Airbus A330-300 Daily , Airbus A330-200 Daily
Madrid (MAD) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Manchester (MAN) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Munich (MUC) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Paris (CDG) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Rome (FCO) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Zurich (ZRH) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
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seasonal
Athens (ATH) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Barcelona (BCN) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Budapest (BUD) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Frankfurt (FRA) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Glasgow (GLA) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Lisbon (LIS) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Prague (PRG) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Shannon (SNN) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Venice (VCE) Airbus A330-300 Daily


A few corrections:
AMS served by B763 (not B757)
FCO technically seasonal, normally not running for most of February
LHR both flights A333 (not one flight A333 and A332 each)
MAN A332 (not A333)

As for fleet predictions: I have no idea what will happen to the A350 order but those frames are the ones slotted to replace the 333s beginning in 2020. It maybe too much plane for the current 333 routes out of PHL. While I could see some 772ERs coming into PHL (AA seems to be freeing some of those frames up by replacing routes with 788s out of ORD, for example), those frames are probably too premium heavy for PHL. Perhaps the 350 order could get converted to 339neos and fill in the gap left by the 333. I do not see 787s coming to PHL anytime soon - not for lack of desire - as there are few frames and AA clearly has preference in sending those to other hubs.

On route predictions: in Europe I think it will generally be very conservative from here. Maybe MXP and EDI will move from JFK to PHL. Even less likely is any additions in Germany (i.e. BER, DUS). Even less likely is summer seasonal to HEL (with AY) and anything in Scandinavia - although I would kill for it! (Also, friendly reminder that Finland is not in Scandinavia..) I am intrigued to see how CDG does this summer now that DL has dropped its seasonal service and AA has removed it from BOS/downsized it to 1x daily at JFK. Perhaps it will be able to go back up to an A333 in 2019. Another ex-US TA route that was cut from PHL was BRU but I don't see that as necessary and questionable to even fill a summer seasonal 757. Beyond Europe, yes it seems PHL needs NRT service but that is questionable as to when it will come and I think more likely to be on JL than AA. The only way I ever see China coming is on Hainan and those chances I assume are next to none. Yes if - a big/unconfirmed if - AA goes back to TLV I assume it will be from PHL. And GRU just doesn't seem necessary given the market. Would love to see MEX perhaps you on an A319 too but AA doesn't seem to be aggressive there with ORD either so not a good sign for that coming soon.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:28 am

OslPhlWasChi wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Amsterdam (AMS) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Dublin (DUB) Airbus A330-200 Daily
London (LHR) Airbus A330-300 Daily , Airbus A330-200 Daily
Madrid (MAD) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Manchester (MAN) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Munich (MUC) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Paris (CDG) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Rome (FCO) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Zurich (ZRH) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
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seasonal
Athens (ATH) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Barcelona (BCN) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Budapest (BUD) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Frankfurt (FRA) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Glasgow (GLA) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Lisbon (LIS) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Prague (PRG) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Shannon (SNN) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Venice (VCE) Airbus A330-300 Daily


A few corrections:
AMS served by B763 (not B757)
FCO technically seasonal, normally not running for most of February
LHR both flights A333 (not one flight A333 and A332 each)
MAN A332 (not A333)

As for fleet predictions: I have no idea what will happen to the A350 order but those frames are the ones slotted to replace the 333s beginning in 2020. It maybe too much plane for the current 333 routes out of PHL. While I could see some 772ERs coming into PHL (AA seems to be freeing some of those frames up by replacing routes with 788s out of ORD, for example), those frames are probably too premium heavy for PHL. Perhaps the 350 order could get converted to 339neos and fill in the gap left by the 333. I do not see 787s coming to PHL anytime soon - not for lack of desire - as there are few frames and AA clearly has preference in sending those to other hubs.

On route predictions: in Europe I think it will generally be very conservative from here. Maybe MXP and EDI will move from JFK to PHL. Even less likely is any additions in Germany (i.e. BER, DUS). Even less likely is summer seasonal to HEL (with AY) and anything in Scandinavia - although I would kill for it! (Also, friendly reminder that Finland is not in Scandinavia..) I am intrigued to see how CDG does this summer now that DL has dropped its seasonal service and AA has removed it from BOS/downsized it to 1x daily at JFK. Perhaps it will be able to go back up to an A333 in 2019. Another ex-US TA route that was cut from PHL was BRU but I don't see that as necessary and questionable to even fill a summer seasonal 757. Beyond Europe, yes it seems PHL needs NRT service but that is questionable as to when it will come and I think more likely to be on JL than AA. The only way I ever see China coming is on Hainan and those chances I assume are next to none. Yes if - a big/unconfirmed if - AA goes back to TLV I assume it will be from PHL. And GRU just doesn't seem necessary given the market. Would love to see MEX perhaps you on an A319 too but AA doesn't seem to be aggressive there with ORD either so not a good sign for that coming soon.


With the entry of Air Italy to JFK, possibly Milan (MXP) is transferred to PHL, AA has had good factors in Italy since PHL, Milan is a key destination is the main financial center of Italy, I believe that Air Italy will join OneWorld and will participate in the JV with IAG and Finnair with the possibility that the route PHL-MXP is more profitable, if this summer is going well in CDG possibly the service increases with the A333 or increases frequencies, BRU is good destination for leisure but maybe do not have the aircraft yet needed to cover this route although I saw BRU with more potential than BUD and PRG. I am sure that the NRT route will be obtained by JAL in the future with its Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, GRU is not necessary to make connections from Miami this well, TLV I see potential in returning this route Philadelphia is one of the largest Jewish communities in USA maybe some Dreamliners enter PHL for this route or some Boeing 777-200ER although both models are very premium for PHL
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:23 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Philadelphia has become the doors of the Atlantic for American Airlines this summer will have more than 19 daily flights to Europe, with Boeing 757-200, Boeing 767-300ER, Airbus 330-200 and Airbus A330-300, recently the B763 were added to the routes ZRH, BUD, PRG and LIS this summer

Image

Summer routes 2018

Amsterdam (AMS) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Dublin (DUB) Airbus A330-200 Daily
London (LHR) Airbus A330-300 Daily , Airbus A330-200 Daily
Madrid (MAD) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Manchester (MAN) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Munich (MUC) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Paris (CDG) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Rome (FCO) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Zurich (ZRH) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
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seasonal
Athens (ATH) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Barcelona (BCN) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Budapest (BUD) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Frankfurt (FRA) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Glasgow (GLA) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Lisbon (LIS) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Prague (PRG) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Shannon (SNN) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Venice (VCE) Airbus A330-300 Daily

With regard to the aircraft fleet what will be your future? the B757, B767 and A333 are already somewhat old, and the strategy in the past of US Airways was to implement Airbus A350-900 are still in order but AA has constantly differentiated them I think it is an aircraft with a lot of range and capacity to operate in PHL to europe, same with the Dreamliner family have the necessary capacity to operate these routes but they have too much range, in my opinion a fleet composed of A330neo and Boeing 787-10 would be ideal for AA is its operations in PHL, the Boeing 787-10 will would use for its routes of more capacity as London Heathrow, Manchester, Munich and Rome, and the A330neo the rest of the routes, the Airbus A321neo LR has range for certain destinations in Europe but although I do not think it is the right one to replace the Boeing 757

What do you recommend as a new destination in the future, some route in Scandinavia such as Oslo, Stockholm or Helsinki? , another destination in Germany like Berlin or Dusseldof? , or other destinations such as Milan, Brussels, Birminghan, Edinburgh that in the past were US Airways destinations from PHL

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Philadelphia is an excellent HUB for the excellent American Airlines operations that exploit the potential of this HUB that had something neglected


PHL-BHX was already tried and tested back in 2009 when US Airways existed. Would be nice if AA could attempt it again or at least JFK or ORD. However, I don’t think that will ever happen :(
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:43 am

OSL and ARN have been tried from PHl, OSL lasted one season! Doubt those two would be tried again.
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:50 am

flydude380 wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Philadelphia has become the doors of the Atlantic for American Airlines this summer will have more than 19 daily flights to Europe, with Boeing 757-200, Boeing 767-300ER, Airbus 330-200 and Airbus A330-300, recently the B763 were added to the routes ZRH, BUD, PRG and LIS this summer

Image

Summer routes 2018

Amsterdam (AMS) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Dublin (DUB) Airbus A330-200 Daily
London (LHR) Airbus A330-300 Daily , Airbus A330-200 Daily
Madrid (MAD) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Manchester (MAN) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Munich (MUC) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Paris (CDG) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Rome (FCO) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Zurich (ZRH) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
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seasonal
Athens (ATH) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Barcelona (BCN) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Budapest (BUD) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Frankfurt (FRA) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Glasgow (GLA) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Lisbon (LIS) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Prague (PRG) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Shannon (SNN) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Venice (VCE) Airbus A330-300 Daily

With regard to the aircraft fleet what will be your future? the B757, B767 and A333 are already somewhat old, and the strategy in the past of US Airways was to implement Airbus A350-900 are still in order but AA has constantly differentiated them I think it is an aircraft with a lot of range and capacity to operate in PHL to europe, same with the Dreamliner family have the necessary capacity to operate these routes but they have too much range, in my opinion a fleet composed of A330neo and Boeing 787-10 would be ideal for AA is its operations in PHL, the Boeing 787-10 will would use for its routes of more capacity as London Heathrow, Manchester, Munich and Rome, and the A330neo the rest of the routes, the Airbus A321neo LR has range for certain destinations in Europe but although I do not think it is the right one to replace the Boeing 757

What do you recommend as a new destination in the future, some route in Scandinavia such as Oslo, Stockholm or Helsinki? , another destination in Germany like Berlin or Dusseldof? , or other destinations such as Milan, Brussels, Birminghan, Edinburgh that in the past were US Airways destinations from PHL

Image

Philadelphia is an excellent HUB for the excellent American Airlines operations that exploit the potential of this HUB that had something neglected


PHL-BHX was already tried and tested back in 2009 when US Airways existed. Would be nice if AA could attempt it again or at least JFK or ORD. However, I don’t think that will ever happen :(


If UA and FI cant make BHX work then I doubt AA can make it work. They tried BHX from JFK a few years ago and that was dropped soon after. Birmingham has lots of leakage to LHR and partly MAN
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:34 pm

Coincidentally PHL-OSL, ARN, MXP, BHX, EDI, BRU were all former US routes with most ended by US and the last two by AA. If anything there has already been rumors about JFK-EDI moving back to PHL-EDI. I could potentially see BRU coming back, maybe MXP. I do not expect OSL, ARN, HEL, TXL, or DUS.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:16 pm

Themotionman wrote:
flydude380 wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Philadelphia has become the doors of the Atlantic for American Airlines this summer will have more than 19 daily flights to Europe, with Boeing 757-200, Boeing 767-300ER, Airbus 330-200 and Airbus A330-300, recently the B763 were added to the routes ZRH, BUD, PRG and LIS this summer

Image

Summer routes 2018

Amsterdam (AMS) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Dublin (DUB) Airbus A330-200 Daily
London (LHR) Airbus A330-300 Daily , Airbus A330-200 Daily
Madrid (MAD) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Manchester (MAN) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Munich (MUC) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Paris (CDG) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Rome (FCO) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Zurich (ZRH) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
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seasonal
Athens (ATH) Airbus A330-300 Daily
Barcelona (BCN) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Budapest (BUD) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Frankfurt (FRA) Airbus A330-200 Daily
Glasgow (GLA) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Lisbon (LIS) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Prague (PRG) Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Shannon (SNN) Boeing 757-200 Daily
Venice (VCE) Airbus A330-300 Daily

With regard to the aircraft fleet what will be your future? the B757, B767 and A333 are already somewhat old, and the strategy in the past of US Airways was to implement Airbus A350-900 are still in order but AA has constantly differentiated them I think it is an aircraft with a lot of range and capacity to operate in PHL to europe, same with the Dreamliner family have the necessary capacity to operate these routes but they have too much range, in my opinion a fleet composed of A330neo and Boeing 787-10 would be ideal for AA is its operations in PHL, the Boeing 787-10 will would use for its routes of more capacity as London Heathrow, Manchester, Munich and Rome, and the A330neo the rest of the routes, the Airbus A321neo LR has range for certain destinations in Europe but although I do not think it is the right one to replace the Boeing 757

What do you recommend as a new destination in the future, some route in Scandinavia such as Oslo, Stockholm or Helsinki? , another destination in Germany like Berlin or Dusseldof? , or other destinations such as Milan, Brussels, Birminghan, Edinburgh that in the past were US Airways destinations from PHL

Image

Philadelphia is an excellent HUB for the excellent American Airlines operations that exploit the potential of this HUB that had something neglected


PHL-BHX was already tried and tested back in 2009 when US Airways existed. Would be nice if AA could attempt it again or at least JFK or ORD. However, I don’t think that will ever happen :(


If UA and FI cant make BHX work then I doubt AA can make it work. They tried BHX from JFK a few years ago and that was dropped soon after. Birmingham has lots of leakage to LHR and partly MAN


Don’t forget, when AA was here, UA was here also. That may have played a part. Also, UA/CO made BHX work for 20 years. However, taking the monopoly to their advantage also had an impact.

AA or any other carrier could perhaps have an advantage once more if they didn’t take too much of advantage of the monopoly. But, don’t forget that now Primera exists... ughhh!
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:27 pm

AA has a strong benefit in PHL with no real O&D ULCC competition across the Atlantic (FI is closest with 4x 73M to KEF for 4 months/year) and lots of connecting flights as well.

The growth could come with the 321neos arriving next year - it opens up a wide variety of TATL routes if AA uses it from PHL, and some quick gate growth could come if they can add FIS to the handful of A-East gates that don't have it but support the 321 length.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:41 pm

Milan seems to be kind of an obvious next step..already served from three other hubs right?
Why did US quit it?
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:09 pm

I avoid PHL for connections at all costs. It seems to me to be the most delay prone airport outside of NY (also airports to be avoided, though Newark isn't quite as bad). Boston is a comparably sized airport that doesn't seem to have near as many problems as Philly. Can someone here please explain why that is? Or convince me that I'm wrong? Admittedly I'm being a bit anecdotal here, I like looking at flight boards and Philly flights seem to have terrible delays at the slightest whiff of weather.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:12 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Anyone know what AA is running out of JFK this summer for Comparison?

Phl offers the connection power and a fortress hub, if you want to make money phl makes way more than very competitive JFK.


This summarizes all of the S18 INTL ops for AA from all of the gateway hubs.

https://travelcodex.com/american-airlines-routes-2018/
upcoming flights: JFK-MXP, JFK-KEF, DFW-MEX, BRU-KEF, KEF-DFW, JFK-LIS-RAK, RAK-CMN-LIS, LIS-PRG, PRG-MAD, MAD-LAX: Alitalia, Interjet, WOW Air, Icelandair, TAP Air Portugal, Royal Air Maroc, CSA Czech Airlines, Iberia.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:50 pm

ncflyer wrote:
I avoid PHL for connections at all costs. It seems to me to be the most delay prone airport outside of NY (also airports to be avoided, though Newark isn't quite as bad). Boston is a comparably sized airport that doesn't seem to have near as many problems as Philly. Can someone here please explain why that is? Or convince me that I'm wrong? Admittedly I'm being a bit anecdotal here, I like looking at flight boards and Philly flights seem to have terrible delays at the slightest whiff of weather.

Very anecdotal. Apparently according to aggregated data from 2007-2016, the on-time arrival % at BOS is only 0.1% higher than PHL.

1.) PHL is dominated by one airline with a banked hub. So a ton of flights land and depart around the same time. Outside of those banks, it can be pretty quick to get in and out. BOS is controlled by multiple airlines so this might be less pronounced as flights are spread out more naturally across the day
2.)PHL is stuck between NYC and DC airspace. When those airports face delays, the airspace in PHL is crunched and naturally causes delays
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:18 pm

I know it will come at the cost of JFK, but AA's strategy here makes perfect sense. JFK can handle the O&D while PHL handles the connections. I see PHL ultimately being second to only DFW. I do wish that PHL would garner some flights to the Orient...PHL to NRT would seem mighty nice on a B788, although I see it on JL metal.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:18 pm

I think PHL-KEF (seasonal) is possible too.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:20 pm

(Reply to Post #20 & Post #22)

PHL's present terminal and runway configuration are reaching full utilization alongside the fact that PHL remains the world's largest airport without an inground fueling system have led to congestion and flight delays.
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:55 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Anyone know what AA is running out of JFK this summer for Comparison?

Phl offers the connection power and a fortress hub, if you want to make money phl makes way more than very competitive JFK.

Barcelona (BCN) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Buenos Aires (EZE) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
London Heathrow - Boeing 777-200ER/-300ER 6 Daily
Madrid (MAD) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
Milan (MXP) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Paris (CDG) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Rio de Janeiro (GIG) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
Sao Paulo (GRU) - Boeing 777-300ER Daily
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Seasonal
Rome (FCO) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Dublin (DUB) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Edinburg (EDI) - Boeing 757-200 Daily

For years AA has decreased the number of destinations and frequencies in JFK I think it is a weaker HUB, Delta Airlines and JetBlue are leading JFK , have decreased a lot in Latin America and Europe, and lost their flights to Asia, I hope that in a future AA improve their connections in JFK


Very good to know. Thank you for the comprehensive list for JFK.

Does that mean the only TATL route out of JFK on the 757 is JFK-EDI? There was a time when there were several destinations in Europe where the 757s were flown from JFK. Last summer I flew CDG-JFK on the 757. It would be nice if JFK-CDG gets the 757 back and goes back to 2x daily, both on the 757.
Where else does AA still fly the 757 out of JFK? MIA, CLT, yes that I know. I think that's it. I don't even know if JFK-CLT will continue to see the 757 for a long time to come. I don't see anywhere else where AA still flies the 757 out of JFK. If you know, please don't hesitate to quote me.

What's happening with BOS-CDG? I can't see it on the system anymore, not even in the summer. Is that route now gone for ever? I flew BOS-CDG on the 757 back in the summer of 2016. I knew it was seasonal.
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:09 pm

brian415 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
I find it hard to believe a PHL-Asia flight couldn't be supported. I would think AA could send a 5x weekly 788 PHL-NRT and fill it with no problem

Maybe one of the problems is that AA's affinity for JL is less than UA's affinity for NH.



AA has a joint venture with Japan Airlines. They don't care whose equipment you fly over on. If AA or JL were to start PHL-NRT, either one would be able to make it worth.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:17 pm

American 767 wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

What's happening with BOS-CDG? I can't see it on the system anymore, not even in the summer. Is that route now gone for ever? I flew BOS-CDG on the 757 back in the summer of 2016. I knew it was seasonal.

BOS-CDG is gone.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:33 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Milan seems to be kind of an obvious next step..already served from three other hubs right?
Why did US quit it?


US quit it because it wasn't a good route. The "next step" could also be other reductions to MXP.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:34 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
[..] I do wish that PHL would garner some flights to the Orient...PHL to NRT would seem mighty nice on a B788, although I see it on JL metal.

Oh, did you mean Far East? LOL!

Preference is JL composite, because JL has figured out how to operate this airframe profitably with 8 abreast.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:15 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Anyone know what AA is running out of JFK this summer for Comparison?

Phl offers the connection power and a fortress hub, if you want to make money phl makes way more than very competitive JFK.

Barcelona (BCN) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Buenos Aires (EZE) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
London Heathrow - Boeing 777-200ER/-300ER 6 Daily
Madrid (MAD) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
Milan (MXP) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Paris (CDG) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Rio de Janeiro (GIG) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
Sao Paulo (GRU) - Boeing 777-300ER Daily
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Seasonal
Rome (FCO) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Dublin (DUB) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Edinburg (EDI) - Boeing 757-200 Daily

For years AA has decreased the number of destinations and frequencies in JFK I think it is a weaker HUB, Delta Airlines and JetBlue are leading JFK , have decreased a lot in Latin America and Europe, and lost their flights to Asia, I hope that in a future AA improve their connections in JFK


One correction that I see. Looking at the AA summer timetable, it looks like AA has 3 JFK-LHR flights, not 6. And BA has 7 JFK-LHR flights. Last summer AA had (I think) 4 JFK-LHR flghts, so AA is down by one for the summer of 2018.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:38 pm

For TYO why not try a daily split with MIA (maybe stop some whining) PHL 4x MIA 3x and see how it goes. AA or JL metal works for both hubs, prefer to see JL metal out of Philly
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:18 pm

American 767 wrote:

Very good to know. Thank you for the comprehensive list for JFK.

Does that mean the only TATL route out of JFK on the 757 is JFK-EDI? There was a time when there were several destinations in Europe where the 757s were flown from JFK. Last summer I flew CDG-JFK on the 757. It would be nice if JFK-CDG gets the 757 back and goes back to 2x daily, both on the 757.
Where else does AA still fly the 757 out of JFK? MIA, CLT, yes that I know. I think that's it. I don't even know if JFK-CLT will continue to see the 757 for a long time to come. I don't see anywhere else where AA still flies the 757 out of JFK. If you know, please don't hesitate to quote me.

What's happening with BOS-CDG? I can't see it on the system anymore, not even in the summer. Is that route now gone for ever? I flew BOS-CDG on the 757 back in the summer of 2016. I knew it was seasonal.


I know at least EGE and PUJ see the 757 seasonally and I'm not sure if SXM is coming back anytime soon but when it was around it was also 757.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:21 pm

880dc8707 wrote:
For TYO why not try a daily split with MIA (maybe stop some whining) PHL 4x MIA 3x and see how it goes. AA or JL metal works for both hubs, prefer to see JL metal out of Philly

JOKE: Can I propose we use the terminology "AA composite" and "JL composite"?
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:23 pm

usairways85 wrote:
Coincidentally PHL-OSL, ARN, MXP, BHX, EDI, BRU were all former US routes with most ended by US and the last two by AA. If anything there has already been rumors about JFK-EDI moving back to PHL-EDI. I could potentially see BRU coming back, maybe MXP. I do not expect OSL, ARN, HEL, TXL, or DUS.

I wonder if they might be considering switching PHL-GLA to EDI?
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:41 pm

usairways85 wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
I avoid PHL for connections at all costs. It seems to me to be the most delay prone airport outside of NY (also airports to be avoided, though Newark isn't quite as bad). Boston is a comparably sized airport that doesn't seem to have near as many problems as Philly. Can someone here please explain why that is? Or convince me that I'm wrong? Admittedly I'm being a bit anecdotal here, I like looking at flight boards and Philly flights seem to have terrible delays at the slightest whiff of weather.

Very anecdotal. Apparently according to aggregated data from 2007-2016, the on-time arrival % at BOS is only 0.1% higher than PHL.

1.) PHL is dominated by one airline with a banked hub. So a ton of flights land and depart around the same time. Outside of those banks, it can be pretty quick to get in and out. BOS is controlled by multiple airlines so this might be less pronounced as flights are spread out more naturally across the day
2.)PHL is stuck between NYC and DC airspace. When those airports face delays, the airspace in PHL is crunched and naturally causes delays

I agree with you - OW is also quite dominant in BOS nowadays. JL (NRT), CX (HKG), BA (LHR), LA (GRU), IB (MAD), QR (DOH). I believe the only AA hub that has all these destinations is probably DFW.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:05 pm

September11 wrote:
(Reply to Post #20 & Post #22)

PHL's present terminal and runway configuration are reaching full utilization alongside the fact that PHL remains the world's largest airport without an inground fueling system have led to congestion and flight delays.


Dear God. I’ve dispatched fueling for another AA hub and I can’t imagine trying to run it with tanker trucks alone.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:10 pm

Breathe wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
Coincidentally PHL-OSL, ARN, MXP, BHX, EDI, BRU were all former US routes with most ended by US and the last two by AA. If anything there has already been rumors about JFK-EDI moving back to PHL-EDI. I could potentially see BRU coming back, maybe MXP. I do not expect OSL, ARN, HEL, TXL, or DUS.

I wonder if they might be considering switching PHL-GLA to EDI?


I think we'd more likely see EDI flights switch from JFK to PHL. EDI is not a key business market which is the primary focus going forward for AA in NYC, so its very much on the chopping block if you think about it. I see the GLA hanging on in there for the time being. Passenger numbers are up about 10% on PHL-GLA from '16 to '17 which seems to cancel out the 2015-2016 drop.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:11 pm

Flighty wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
Milan seems to be kind of an obvious next step..already served from three other hubs right?
Why did US quit it?


US quit it because it wasn't a good route. The "next step" could also be other reductions to MXP.


Milan has repeatedly shown an inability to support any flights to the US besides NYC and MIA (on any airline).

It is not really tourist market and - due to the fashion and banking industries - 70+% of the business travellers are headed to one of those two destinations.

I doubt PHL-MXP is forthcoming...
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:35 pm

OB1504 wrote:
September11 wrote:
(Reply to Post #20 & Post #22)

PHL's present terminal and runway configuration are reaching full utilization alongside the fact that PHL remains the world's largest airport without an inground fueling system have led to congestion and flight delays.


Dear God. I’ve dispatched fueling for another AA hub and I can’t imagine trying to run it with tanker trucks alone.

Question: What would be required to retrofit an inground fueling system to an existing airport, while the airport is in full operation, without for instance shutting down an entire terminal while tarmac areas are dug up? Would it be like open-heart surgery?

I'm wondering if they need an entire new terminal that can help stage the retrofit shutdown of large swaths of gates, little by little? It would require playing musical chairs for a while?
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:17 am

brian415 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
[..] I do wish that PHL would garner some flights to the Orient...PHL to NRT would seem mighty nice on a B788, although I see it on JL metal.

Oh, did you mean Far East? LOL!

Preference is JL composite, because JL has figured out how to operate this airframe profitably with 8 abreast.


I couldn’t say Asia because of QR.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:46 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I couldn’t say Asia because of QR.

Qatar would be known as "Near East", LOL!
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:47 am

acentauri wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
The new seasonal additions plus the ZRH route (moving from JFK) were announced a while back. PHL was the primary gateway to Europe for USAirways pre-merger and much of that route map is essentially legacy USAirways. The only real change is the deployment of LAA 767-300ER's for the ZRH, BUD, and PRG routes.

BUD and PRG were never served by US Airways.


No they weren't and I didn't say they were. These are new routes, as I said, being flown with LAA aircraft.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:50 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Anyone know what AA is running out of JFK this summer for Comparison?

Phl offers the connection power and a fortress hub, if you want to make money phl makes way more than very competitive JFK.

Barcelona (BCN) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Buenos Aires (EZE) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
London Heathrow - Boeing 777-200ER/-300ER 6 Daily
Madrid (MAD) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
Milan (MXP) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Paris (CDG) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Rio de Janeiro (GIG) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
Sao Paulo (GRU) - Boeing 777-300ER Daily
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Seasonal
Rome (FCO) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Dublin (DUB) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Edinburg (EDI) - Boeing 757-200 Daily

For years AA has decreased the number of destinations and frequencies in JFK I think it is a weaker HUB, Delta Airlines and JetBlue are leading JFK , have decreased a lot in Latin America and Europe, and lost their flights to Asia, I hope that in a future AA improve their connections in JFK


If this list is accurate, surprised to see JFK to BCN and JFK-FCO operating on the 763. They were 772 routes, last year (BCN in high season, from at least April).
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:15 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Anyone know what AA is running out of JFK this summer for Comparison?

Phl offers the connection power and a fortress hub, if you want to make money phl makes way more than very competitive JFK.

Barcelona (BCN) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Buenos Aires (EZE) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
London Heathrow - Boeing 777-200ER/-300ER 6 Daily
Madrid (MAD) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
Milan (MXP) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Paris (CDG) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Rio de Janeiro (GIG) - Boeing 777-200ER Daily
Sao Paulo (GRU) - Boeing 777-300ER Daily
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Seasonal
Rome (FCO) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Dublin (DUB) - Boeing 767-300ER Daily
Edinburg (EDI) - Boeing 757-200 Daily

For years AA has decreased the number of destinations and frequencies in JFK I think it is a weaker HUB, Delta Airlines and JetBlue are leading JFK , have decreased a lot in Latin America and Europe, and lost their flights to Asia, I hope that in a future AA improve their connections in JFK


If this list is accurate, surprised to see JFK to BCN and JFK-FCO operating on the 763. They were 772 routes, last year (BCN in high season, from at least April).

It's incorrect. JFK-FCO/BCN are scheduled to be 772 in S18 thus far
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:13 am

Due to the Air Berlin collapse, lots of talk about Dusseldorf but that never materialized. Also that EDI is returning to PHL, but that’ll wait til next summer for now. As mentioned, terminal space will be maxed this summer with the use of PTV highly likely.

PHL MEX nonstop is in the plans ...........
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:56 am

flyboy7974 wrote:
Due to the Air Berlin collapse, lots of talk about Dusseldorf but that never materialized. Also that EDI is returning to PHL, but that’ll wait til next summer for now. As mentioned, terminal space will be maxed this summer with the use of PTV highly likely.

PHL MEX nonstop is in the plans ...........


Are you able to elaborate on source/confidence/details?
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:24 am

BWIAirport wrote:
I find it hard to believe a PHL-Asia flight couldn't be supported. I would think AA could send a 5x weekly 788 PHL-NRT and fill it with no problem

Of course they "could"... but why bother?
The fact that none have tried, even in the age of J/Vs and plastic planes, just shows that it's not expected to be a lucrative route.

Or a Japanese carrier would've done it. There's almost no time in the last two decades where it wouldn't have been a hub-hub route for some combo of US&Japanese carrier.

Clearly the opportunity cost is too high, else they would've done it already. Doesn't mean that they never will, but it's nowhere near a priority.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:56 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
For years AA has decreased the number of destinations and frequencies in JFK I think it is a weaker HUB, Delta Airlines and JetBlue are leading JFK , have decreased a lot in Latin America and Europe, and lost their flights to Asia, I hope that in a future AA improve their connections in JFK

I believe it was Scott Kirby, while still working for AA that reorganized JFK to cater to O&D. It simply made no sense to have two hubs in each other's back yard that connected people to foreign destinations. AA's tie up with BA and JL fixes some of the lost routes to Europe and Asia from JFK.

Interestingly, Eagle is launching 6x daily JFK-PHL flights, and presumably, this would allow for two-stop connection itineraries (e.g. Origin -> JFK -> PHL -> Europe):
New York JFK – Philadelphia eff 03APR18 6x daily Envoy Air Embraer ERJ140

This is in addition to LGA-PHL frequencies on both mainline an Eagle.
 
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Re: American Airlines Philadelphia (PHL) Hub

Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:32 pm

brian415 wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
For years AA has decreased the number of destinations and frequencies in JFK I think it is a weaker HUB, Delta Airlines and JetBlue are leading JFK , have decreased a lot in Latin America and Europe, and lost their flights to Asia, I hope that in a future AA improve their connections in JFK

I believe it was Scott Kirby, while still working for AA that reorganized JFK to cater to O&D. It simply made no sense to have two hubs in each other's back yard that connected people to foreign destinations. AA's tie up with BA and JL fixes some of the lost routes to Europe and Asia from JFK.

Interestingly, Eagle is launching 6x daily JFK-PHL flights, and presumably, this would allow for two-stop connection itineraries (e.g. Origin -> JFK -> PHL -> Europe):
New York JFK – Philadelphia eff 03APR18 6x daily Envoy Air Embraer ERJ140

This is in addition to LGA-PHL frequencies on both mainline an Eagle.


It's a function of slots more than anything. They know that they don't have the number of slots capable of competing with UA at EWR or DL at JFK, but since New York is such a huge corporate and premium heavy market, they've opted to go after high-value o&d traffic from New York to major corporate destinations, and to leave the connection heavy routes to PHL.

I'm curious to see what happens with NRT. I think it's only a matter of time before JL or AA starts PHL-NRT, but the aircraft/airline chosen to start the route will be interesting to see. JL's 788s are more premium heavy (and have fewer seats) than AAs 788s, but AA has chosen to base most of it's 788 fleet in ORD for the near future.

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