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AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:44 am

Fellow a.net member Juliuswong has brought to our attention that the CEO of AirAsia X is discussing the 787-10 with Boeing. Below is a picture of him in Seattle holding a model 787-10 in Air Asia X livery. Interesting times ahead...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgCPCtOHPVU ... aminismail
 
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:01 am

They can discuss, but let's just wait until we see the official announcement.

If Boeing manages to snag an order from D7, it will be a big change to the Malaysian market which is dominated by Airbus widebodies ever since MH retired their 777s.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:02 am

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Interesting indeed :)
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:11 am

Yes this was in the news last month.

AirAsia CEO says looking at Boeing 787 for AirAsia X
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aira ... SKBN1FM0JS
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:20 am

Then we have a report in the Malaysian news media -

AirAsia has no plan to buy Boeing B787: CEO Fernandes
https://www.nst.com.my/business/2018/03 ... -fernandes
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:26 am

If the D7 CEO is now in Seattle, it sounds like Boeing has not given up yet - they are probably trying to do something to swing the deal....

The A339 does look a little limited in capacity while the A359 is not at the bargain basement price that D7 wants. That is why they are leasing used A333s with a single class configuration - they need more seats! The 787-10 looks ideal for their Asia Pacific network - more capacity and sufficient range. Now, they are just waiting to see if Boeing can give them a great price. Unlike Airasia, D7 does not have much invested in maintenance infrastructure. So, with the exception of crew training, the 787 should not cost too much to switch to.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:29 am

The 787-10 is a deeply compelling product for exactly this sort of mission—just like the 333 was when it first appeared. Both aircraft set new standards for widebody CASM.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:35 am

flee wrote:
Then we have a report in the Malaysian news media -

AirAsia has no plan to buy Boeing B787: CEO Fernandes
https://www.nst.com.my/business/2018/03 ... -fernandes


That news story is so 5 days ago. The AirAsia X CEO appears to be fondling that 787-10 most suggestively in the linked Instagram pic. -ir
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:40 am

IslandRob wrote:
flee wrote:
Then we have a report in the Malaysian news media -

AirAsia has no plan to buy Boeing B787: CEO Fernandes
https://www.nst.com.my/business/2018/03 ... -fernandes


That news story is so 5 days ago. The AirAsia X CEO appears to be fondling that 787-10 most suggestively in the linked Instagram pic. -ir


Yet he clearly mentions he goes to Seattle frequently but still has no plans of buying the 787... Airlines would be stupid not hear out the competing supplier when they offer something. That does not mean they will buy anything.
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:42 am

Air Asia might like the plane not sure they like the price as the 787-10 is a very expensive proposition and Boeing can't give them away when they are in a hole nearly 30 billion deep.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:53 am

IslandRob wrote:
flee wrote:
Then we have a report in the Malaysian news media -

AirAsia has no plan to buy Boeing B787: CEO Fernandes
https://www.nst.com.my/business/2018/03 ... -fernandes


That news story is so 5 days ago. The AirAsia X CEO appears to be fondling that 787-10 most suggestively in the linked Instagram pic. -ir

Yes, if you note my comments subsequently, it is obvious that this is still ongoing.

It is good to have a complete record of their public comments so that we have more information to form our opinions.

Strato2 wrote:
Air Asia might like the plane not sure they like the price as the 787-10 is a very expensive proposition and Boeing can't give them away when they are in a hole nearly 30 billion deep.

Yes, those deferred production costs must be amortised with every 787 frame that ships. I think it is an indication as to how far the Airasia and Airasia X Groups have come. They would not have dreamt of buying NEW Boeing aircraft a few years ago. But Boeing is now treating them seriously.....
 
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:58 am

Maybe someone should tell Boeing that that's not actually AAX's livery anymore. No?
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:26 am

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What does Air Asia have against buying Boeing? The news article seems to suggest they are not buying “Boeing planes” as a whole and prefer Airbus.


No fleet commonality. AirAsia is firmly entrenched in the Airbus camp. It's like asking what Southwest have against buying Airbus.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:27 am

What does Air Asia have against buying Boeing? The news article seems to suggest they are not buying “Boeing planes” as a whole and prefer Airbus.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:11 am

chrisp390 wrote:
What does Air Asia have against buying Boeing? The news article seems to suggest they are not buying “Boeing planes” as a whole and prefer Airbus.

Fernandes was one of the driving forces for the creation of the A330 Neo. I believe it is the value proposition he likes about it. Much as the 737Max does in the battle with the A321Neo.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:35 am

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What does Air Asia have against buying Boeing? The news article seems to suggest they are not buying “Boeing planes” as a whole and prefer Airbus.

It has something to do with Boeing being not able to meet AirAsia's request when the latter was scouting for fleet replacement for B737 Classic back in 2003. AirAsia decided to go with Airbus and the rest is history. Their 100 A320ceo order was a stunner back then.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:39 am

Maybe, but only maybe in a twilight world Air Asia X is perfectly happy with their Airbus planes because they deliver what they want. Yes, there are proudly all Airbus-operators out there, too. Sadly, due to the HA order, some people here think and constantly repeat that every airline which operates Airbus is switching to Boeing now...a new (false) myth is born...smh
 
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:45 am

Maybe AirAsia is just getting Airbus to give the discount they want for the WBs
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:52 am

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No fleet commonality. AirAsia is firmly entrenched in the Airbus camp. It's like asking what Southwest have against buying Airbus.

That didn't stop Norwegian from buying the A321LR. Or Jetstar from buying the B788. Or JetBlue from buying the E190. Or Lion Air from taking A333s. Or at least a dozen other examples in which airlines purchase aircraft that don't have commonality with the rest of the fleet.

Fact is, airlines will purchase aircraft that best meet their needs. There just isn't as great of an emphasis on fleet commonality at the vast majority of carriers. AirAsia X would be foolish not to entertain Boeing if they offer the right airplane for the right price. Holding out for an Airbus product which may not be as capable, practical, or cost effective to meet their needs is nonsensical from a business standpoint. They aren't like Southwest in that every inch of their operation is built around a single airplane, they've just been loyal to Airbus thus far. The right offer could very well change that.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:21 am

Jetstar did not order any aircraft, I think they have all been ordered by Qantas, A320/A330/787
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:24 am

The lower price of the A330NEO might no longer be an advantage, if you consider the deal HA must have gotten. If switching to the 787 made sense although their will be cancellation costs with Airbus and RR, the effective price for the 787s might have been less than the A330NEOs.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:27 am

atcsundevil wrote:
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No fleet commonality. AirAsia is firmly entrenched in the Airbus camp. It's like asking what Southwest have against buying Airbus.

That didn't stop Norwegian from buying the A321LR. Or Jetstar from buying the B788. Or JetBlue from buying the E190. Or Lion Air from taking A333s. Or at least a dozen other examples in which airlines purchase aircraft that don't have commonality with the rest of the fleet.

Fact is, airlines will purchase aircraft that best meet their needs. There just isn't as great of an emphasis on fleet commonality at the vast majority of carriers. AirAsia X would be foolish not to entertain Boeing if they offer the right airplane for the right price. Holding out for an Airbus product which may not be as capable, practical, or cost effective to meet their needs is nonsensical from a business standpoint. They aren't like Southwest in that every inch of their operation is built around a single airplane, they've just been loyal to Airbus thus far. The right offer could very well change that.

Agree with your points. However I would like to add your sentence "They aren't like Southwest in that every inch of their operation is built around a single airplane" actually explains AirAsia's situation too. They build their operation around A320, soon A321neo (for narrowbody) and A330-300ceo/neo (for medium to long haul). Every single cents count for them. Both of them have low, if not lowest CASK among all airlines now (correct me if I am wrong). That being said, I won't discount Boeing airplane in AirAsia colour though. NArrowbody definitely no, widebody is open for debate.

Side note, didn't Jetstar got their 787 as Qantas hand-me-down to replace A332 that were heading back to Qantas mainline? Also Lion Air took A333 as alternative to terrible teens 787 offered by Boeing.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:10 am

The JQ 787 order was done through Qantas, as all JQ orders have been. It was meant originally that the 787-8 would first go to JQ, then when the 787-9 started to arrive, they would go to JQ and the 787-8 aircraft would go to QF.

Not sure if JQ ever got QF hand me downs, if there were they would have been 332s from QF. Just remembered, JQ operate some QF Link DH8's in New Zealand, do they count as had me downs ?
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:17 am

jupiter2 wrote:
The JQ 787 order was done through Qantas, as all JQ orders have been. It was meant originally that the 787-8 would first go to JQ, then when the 787-9 started to arrive, they would go to JQ and the 787-8 aircraft would go to QF.

Not sure if JQ ever got QF hand me downs, if there were they would have been 332s from QF. Just remembered, JQ operate some QF Link DH8's in New Zealand, do they count as had me downs ?


There initial 717s were originally Impulse, then QFLink before being handed down to JQ, the Q300s were ex QFLink too. Otherwise most of the planes have come new or from elsewhere.

I just can't see AirAsiaX getting 787s, doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:24 am

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I just can't see AirAsiaX getting 787s, doesn't make sense to me.

Well, they will have to switch completely over because they are still adamant that they will only operate one type of aircraft. They did mention that if they took the A330Neo, the A350 order will be converted to A339s. Similarly, if they took the A350, the A339s will become A350 orders. Although the 787-10 looks like an ideal aircraft for them now, it is going to be a difficult transition from A333s to 787-10s - this change will occur over many years and may increase the overall cost of operations. Boeing must convince Airasia X that the lower operating costs of the 787-10 will compensate. For that to happen, oil prices have to rise to USD 100 or more.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:28 am

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The lower price of the A330NEO might no longer be an advantage, if you consider the deal HA must have gotten. If switching to the 787 made sense although their will be cancellation costs with Airbus and RR, the effective price for the 787s might have been less than the A330NEOs.


LCCs like Air Asia and Cebu are already running their A330s 9 across. You will not see a seat disparity like the HA case with the A330 8 across and the 787 9 across.

Both the A330-300/900 and 787-10 have the same 440 Pax capacity. The additional lease frames Air Asia is getting this year I think will be configured to 400+ seats.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:48 am

flee wrote:
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I just can't see AirAsiaX getting 787s, doesn't make sense to me.

Well, they will have to switch completely over because they are still adamant that they will only operate one type of aircraft.


:confused:

Aside from the fact that Air Asia X will be adding A350s to its A330 fleet, and thus having 2 aircraft types, Tony Fernandes last month pointed out it may need additional planes for future growth. He definitely left the door open for other aircraft types. As such, we could be seeing 787-10s complementing A330s on trunk routes within Asia.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:54 am

Tony Fernandes and the Airasia organisation usually thinks aloud. So lets wait and see what happens!
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:03 am

I'm really hoping Boeing doesn't win an order. I usually don't care who gets what but when Boeing is selling planes for absurd prices to the point where it's almost dumping them I can't help but feel sorry for Airbus. They lost John Leahy and now they have to regain their strength and I just don't think Eric is the guy. The A330neo order would be in serious trouble if Air Asia all of a sudden took the 787.

Airbus is probably secretly panicking or at least reevaluating their actions to make sure nothing does happen.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:10 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
I'm really hoping Boeing doesn't win an order. I usually don't care who gets what but when Boeing is selling planes for absurd prices to the point where it's almost dumping them I can't help but feel sorry for Airbus. They lost John Leahy and now they have to regain their strength and I just don't think Eric is the guy. The A330neo order would be in serious trouble if Air Asia all of a sudden took the 787.

Airbus is probably secretly panicking or at least reevaluating their actions to make sure nothing does happen.

You are probably right - Airbus is really in no position to take the fight to Boeing now due to their internal management upheavals. A lot of the Airbus pioneers are leaving or are due for retirement in the next two or three years.

Airbus probably made a PR blunder when they did not send the A350-1000 to KUL. Although neither MH nor D7 look like candidates for the aircraft, it is still a good thing to pay a courtesy visit to their largest customer in the region, especially when they went to BKK and SIN.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:11 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
I'm really hoping Boeing doesn't win an order. I usually don't care who gets what but when Boeing is selling planes for absurd prices to the point where it's almost dumping them I can't help but feel sorry for Airbus. They lost John Leahy and now they have to regain their strength and I just don't think Eric is the guy. The A330neo order would be in serious trouble if Air Asia all of a sudden took the 787.

Airbus is probably secretly panicking or at least reevaluating their actions to make sure nothing does happen.


Airbus survived previously before Leahy's arrival. Remember the deal with Eastern which got the A300 in America?

While Airbus should not be arrogant the way Boeing did back when AirAsia & jetblue were knocking at their doors to buy 737s, they shouldn't panic either.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:13 am

It would be a major boon for pax comfort if they switch to 78Js. While people moan about a 9 abreast 787, I can guarantee you'd loathe a 9-abreast A330. It's genuinely awful.
 
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It would be a major boon for pax comfort if they switch to 78Js. While people moan about a 9 abreast 787, I can guarantee you'd loathe a 9-abreast A330. It's genuinely awful.

I had a short 1 hour flight on a 9 abreast A330 and as usual I requested a window seat at check-in. For those who would wish to take a 9 abreast A330, never ever choose a window seat unless you want your head to hit the cabin wall every few moments. The window seats were a tad of a joke as they had to be shaped differently from the rest of the seats due to the curvature of the fuselage.
 
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zeke wrote:
seahawk wrote:
The lower price of the A330NEO might no longer be an advantage, if you consider the deal HA must have gotten. If switching to the 787 made sense although their will be cancellation costs with Airbus and RR, the effective price for the 787s might have been less than the A330NEOs.


LCCs like Air Asia and Cebu are already running their A330s 9 across. You will not see a seat disparity like the HA case with the A330 8 across and the 787 9 across.

Both the A330-300/900 and 787-10 have the same 440 Pax capacity. The additional lease frames Air Asia is getting this year I think will be configured to 400+ seats.

While you can theoretically cram 440 seats in the A333/9 (Cebu Pacific for example), I don't think D7 will go that route. Their A333s seat 377. A few extra I guess for the A339. So the 787-10 may make sense for AirAsia X due to its extra cabin length vs the A339.

But honestly, the A350 makes more sense for them, when configured 10 abreast Y. It's the more flexible option.

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aerokiwi wrote:
It would be a major boon for pax comfort if they switch to 78Js. While people moan about a 9 abreast 787, I can guarantee you'd loathe a 9-abreast A330. It's genuinely awful.

I had a short 1 hour flight on a 9 abreast A330 and as usual I requested a window seat at check-in. For those who would wish to take a 9 abreast A330, never ever choose a window seat unless you want your head to hit the cabin wall every few moments. The window seats were a tad of a joke as they had to be shaped differently from the rest of the seats due to the curvature of the fuselage.


Flew with an A330 last weekend, first time in almost 20 years(!). The curvature of the fuselage was something I didn't really like. It was also nosier than I expected (compared to the 777, which I'm in often). Could have to do with seating (immediately behind door 3). Everything else was quite nice.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:34 pm

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No fleet commonality. AirAsia is firmly entrenched in the Airbus camp. It's like asking what Southwest have against buying Airbus.

That didn't stop Norwegian from buying the A321LR. Or Jetstar from buying the B788. Or JetBlue from buying the E190. Or Lion Air from taking A333s. Or at least a dozen other examples in which airlines purchase aircraft that don't have commonality with the rest of the fleet.

Fact is, airlines will purchase aircraft that best meet their needs. There just isn't as great of an emphasis on fleet commonality at the vast majority of carriers. AirAsia X would be foolish not to entertain Boeing if they offer the right airplane for the right price. Holding out for an Airbus product which may not be as capable, practical, or cost effective to meet their needs is nonsensical from a business standpoint. They aren't like Southwest in that every inch of their operation is built around a single airplane, they've just been loyal to Airbus thus far. The right offer could very well change that.

Airlines should always negotiate. The cost of adding new fleet types is far less today than say 15 years ago thanks to far better maintenance processes. It will depend on the business case.

Airbus does have the incumbent's advantage at AirAsia. If Boeing has reduced the 787 production cost to as low as some note... they can be more aggressive.

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Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:50 pm

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Maybe, but only maybe in a twilight world Air Asia X is perfectly happy with their Airbus planes because they deliver what they want. Yes, there are proudly all Airbus-operators out there, too. Sadly, due to the HA order, some people here think and constantly repeat that every airline which operates Airbus is switching to Boeing now...a new (false) myth is born...smh

Really? I haven't seen that constant repetition. I think sophisticated posters can tell when strawman myths are being advanced, especially when it's from one of the preeminent endzone dancing fans of a particular OEM. :yes:

Air Asia X is very likely over in Seattle to drive the Airbus price down. To do that, they have to make a credible show of considering Boeing. The more credible, the cheaper the price, and the A330neo program is a little more vulnerable today than pre-HA. Having said that, I would be surprised to see that model 787-10 in a full sized version.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:03 pm

Personally I feel it`s AB`s order to lose, but like any CEO worth his salt he has to look at all the options.
The B787-10 is a compelling aircraft, & although AirAsia are pleased with the performance of the A330Neo
they will want to at least see what kind of a deal they can achieve on the perceived superior Dreamliner.
The drawback for Boeing is AB`s entrenchment at AirAsia, but as good as the Neo is, can they wrestle
an order from them? It`ll come down to price, but I think it`s one Boeing will cut their margin for to win.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:29 pm

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Air Asia X is very likely over in Seattle to drive the Airbus price down. To do that, they have to make a credible show of considering Boeing. The more credible, the cheaper the price, and the A330neo program is a little more vulnerable today than pre-HA. Having said that, I would be surprised to see that model 787-10 in a full sized version.


The main purpose could have been over there to see other major suppliers like Panasonic. He is there frequently. There are a number of major suppliers based in WA.

He didn’t say he went to SEA to see Boeing, Boeing corporate is based in Chicago. Is the -10 actually built in SEA ? In the back of my mind I had them being built in Charleston.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:29 pm

RalXWB wrote:
Maybe, but only maybe in a twilight world Air Asia X is perfectly happy with their Airbus planes because they deliver what they want. Yes, there are proudly all Airbus-operators out there, too. Sadly, due to the HA order, some people here think and constantly repeat that every airline which operates Airbus is switching to Boeing now...a new (false) myth is born...smh


A friendly suggestion, but maybe you should also check your own biases, and not only the biases of others?

That being said, even though the 787-10 on paper is a very good fit for Air Asia X, this is definitely Airbus' order to loose and I'd be surprised if this is anything more than a negotiation tactic.
 
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zeke wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Air Asia X is very likely over in Seattle to drive the Airbus price down. To do that, they have to make a credible show of considering Boeing. The more credible, the cheaper the price, and the A330neo program is a little more vulnerable today than pre-HA. Having said that, I would be surprised to see that model 787-10 in a full sized version.


The main purpose could have been over there to see other major suppliers like Panasonic. He is there frequently. There are a number of major suppliers based in WA.

He didn’t say he went to SEA to see Boeing, Boeing corporate is based in Chicago. Is the -10 actually built in SEA ? In the back of my mind I had them being built in Charleston.

Fair point, but the purpose of our discussions here is Boeing. The picture is of him holding a model 787, not some IFE.
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:59 pm

zeke wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Air Asia X is very likely over in Seattle to drive the Airbus price down. To do that, they have to make a credible show of considering Boeing. The more credible, the cheaper the price, and the A330neo program is a little more vulnerable today than pre-HA. Having said that, I would be surprised to see that model 787-10 in a full sized version.


The main purpose could have been over there to see other major suppliers like Panasonic. He is there frequently. There are a number of major suppliers based in WA.

He didn’t say he went to SEA to see Boeing, Boeing corporate is based in Chicago. Is the -10 actually built in SEA ? In the back of my mind I had them being built in Charleston.

Boeing Commercial Airplanes is still based in Seattle.

He must be fully aware that posing with an AirAsia X 787 model on his public Instagram will have an impact on any negotiations regarding new aircraft orders. It's serious and if Boeing's final offer is better than Airbus's final offer, we will see the 787 in the new AirAsia X livery. But this could of course easily also end up like what happened after Tony Fernandes visited Bombardier and was posing with the CSeries model some years ago. And that was an order that seemed to be much further advanced than their current flirt with the Boeing 787.
 
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:22 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
He must be fully aware that posing with an AirAsia X 787 model on his public Instagram will have an impact on any negotiations regarding new aircraft orders. It's serious and if Boeing's final offer is better than Airbus's final offer, we will see the 787 in the new AirAsia X livery.


These models in airline livery are a dime a dozen, I think I have seen just about everything ever built on a shelf somewhere at work.

Personally I think it’s the Boeing fan boys that are taking this seriously, Tony would be fully aware of the generation of Millennials and the reaction it would elicit as they just have to take photos of everything and comment and think that is communication. He would be pi$$ing himself with laughter.
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:51 pm

On one hand the 787-10 (same capacity as the 359) can be delivered at around the same time and they could be delivered more often than the A350's. A330neo's are a bit smaller, and D7 clearly is desperate for capacity, so faster deliveries could be useful for them.

Then again AirAsia X is all-Airbus, so idk about the prospect of a Boeing order.
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:59 pm

Remember this stunt from last year? https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/airasia ... g-cseries/

Nothing came out of it....
 
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:06 pm

zeke wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
He must be fully aware that posing with an AirAsia X 787 model on his public Instagram will have an impact on any negotiations regarding new aircraft orders. It's serious and if Boeing's final offer is better than Airbus's final offer, we will see the 787 in the new AirAsia X livery.


These models in airline livery are a dime a dozen, I think I have seen just about everything ever built on a shelf somewhere at work.

Personally I think it’s the Boeing fan boys that are taking this seriously, Tony would be fully aware of the generation of Millennials and the reaction it would elicit as they just have to take photos of everything and comment and think that is communication. He would be pi$$ing himself with laughter.

Boeing will for sure take it serious, they have already lost too many potential customers to Airbus over the years by not taking them serious.

And of course Tony is laughing, he knows he's getting a very good deal from either Airbus or Boeing, maybe even from both companies.
 
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:07 pm

zeke wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Air Asia X is very likely over in Seattle to drive the Airbus price down. To do that, they have to make a credible show of considering Boeing. The more credible, the cheaper the price, and the A330neo program is a little more vulnerable today than pre-HA. Having said that, I would be surprised to see that model 787-10 in a full sized version.


The main purpose could have been over there to see other major suppliers like Panasonic. He is there frequently. There are a number of major suppliers based in WA.

He didn’t say he went to SEA to see Boeing, Boeing corporate is based in Chicago. Is the -10 actually built in SEA ? In the back of my mind I had them being built in Charleston.


Boeing commercial aircraft is still based on Seattle. Its just to parent company based in Chicago.
 
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:10 pm

zeke wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
He must be fully aware that posing with an AirAsia X 787 model on his public Instagram will have an impact on any negotiations regarding new aircraft orders. It's serious and if Boeing's final offer is better than Airbus's final offer, we will see the 787 in the new AirAsia X livery.


These models in airline livery are a dime a dozen, I think I have seen just about everything ever built on a shelf somewhere at work.

Personally I think it’s the Boeing fan boys that are taking this seriously, Tony would be fully aware of the generation of Millennials and the reaction it would elicit as they just have to take photos of everything and comment and think that is communication. He would be pi$$ing himself with laughter.


Quite the opposite, I have read at least three posts that has called this out for what it is, a negotiation ploy to keep Airbus honest, and a CEO doing his job. Since we are talking symbolism, don't think for a minute Boeing doesn't revel having a pic of a stalwart Airbus customer (you see Anet, the world doesn't end when a major airline buys from one OEM) holding a 787 model . Air Asia will stick with Airbus, but that pic tells Air Asia's competitors in the region Boeing is wiling to deal on the 787. "If you want to know what price I offered Air Asia, call me".
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:11 pm

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Maybe, but only maybe in a twilight world Air Asia X is perfectly happy with their Airbus planes because they deliver what they want. Yes, there are proudly all Airbus-operators out there, too. Sadly, due to the HA order, some people here think and constantly repeat that every airline which operates Airbus is switching to Boeing now...a new (false) myth is born...smh


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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:21 pm

Could also be Tony woke up one morning last week and thought to himself "that was pretty stupid saying out loud in words I'd never buy planes from Boeing during a negotiation with Airbus". Easiest solution then..get a photo circulating of someone cradling a 787 and let the whack jobs on A.net loose to drive some crazy rumors in the press. And voila, I guarantee the AB contracts team just showed up with freshly sharpened pencils.

In all seriousness, Tony had to regret saying that last week, no good reason for it. You always say you're mighty impressed with competitive offerings, that's 101 stuff.
 
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Re: AirAsia X CEO in Seattle discussing 787-10

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:21 pm

RalXWB wrote:
Maybe, but only maybe in a twilight world Air Asia X is perfectly happy with their Airbus planes because they deliver what they want. Yes, there are proudly all Airbus-operators out there, too. Sadly, due to the HA order, some people here think and constantly repeat that every airline which operates Airbus is switching to Boeing now...a new (false) myth is born...smh


I am going to love referring back to this thread and airline the next time an all Boeing airline puts to bid aircraft from Boeing and Airbus.

"Riddle me this Batman",if its smart and progressive for an airline to be loyal to Airbus because its products serves all of its needs, can the same be said of an airline that "chooses" to do the same for Boeing?

And for the record, I have no problem with Air Asia being a"loyal" Airbus operator. Airbus has been advantageous in their deals for years. USAirways 1996 blockbuster 120 aircraft order comes to mind.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/07/busin ... rtium.html
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