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SumChristianus wrote:MDW-SNA: Will that have runway/performance trouble on both ends? I assume B737-700 operation?
SumChristianus wrote:MDW-SNA: Will that have runway/performance trouble on both ends? I assume B737-700 operation?
SumChristianus wrote:MDW-SNA: Will that have runway/performance trouble on both ends? I assume B737-700 operation?
enilria wrote:These were previously Summer/Fall only
*AC BWI-YUL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC OMA-YYZ NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC PIT-YUL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC SMF-YVR NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
enilria wrote:That ended quickly
*VC AUS-OKC MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0
WN DEN-SNA JUL 5>6
WN HOU-SNA JUL 1.0>1.9
WN LAS-SNA JUL 6>7
*WN MDW-SNA JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
WN PHX-SNA JUL 7>8
Interesting swap
AS DAL-SAN JUN 1.9>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 1.1>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
AS DAL-SJC JUL 1.0>1.8 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2
OKCDCA wrote:Curious where WN got the extra SNA slots? I thought those were determined at the beginning of the year based on previous years traffic.
SumChristianus wrote:RDU-CUN must be 3x a week in December on DL. High for a non-hub route to CUN?
Newbiepilot wrote:SumChristianus wrote:MDW-SNA: Will that have runway/performance trouble on both ends? I assume B737-700 operation?
SNA-MDW may have some weight restrictions, but the 737-700 is not so bad. AA uses the 737-800 on SNA-ORD and that can have some restrictions.
wedgetail737 wrote:SANFan wrote:I just noticed that PDX-DAL is apparently not getting their 2nd flight until July now, according to the current skeds. Due to a/c delivery delays? I'm going to be keeping an eye on AS's DAL markets.
bb
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
SANFan wrote:I just noticed that PDX-DAL is apparently not getting their 2nd flight until July now, according to the current skeds. Due to a/c delivery delays? I'm going to be keeping an eye on AS's DAL markets.
bb
wedgetail737 wrote:Newbiepilot wrote:SumChristianus wrote:MDW-SNA: Will that have runway/performance trouble on both ends? I assume B737-700 operation?
SNA-MDW may have some weight restrictions, but the 737-700 is not so bad. AA uses the 737-800 on SNA-ORD and that can have some restrictions.
If you want to go further back, AA used to fly MD-80's on the SNA-ORD run (before they changed to 757's and later 738's) as well as AirCal running a 733 on the SNA-ORD route. I think either a 737-700 or even -800 should be too much of a problem...Maybe on a really hot day, there could be some issues.
Enilria...thanks again as always!
enilria wrote:EW RSW-CGN JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.2>0 SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.1>0
SCQ83 wrote:Is SAS dropping BOS?
wedgetail737 wrote:SANFan wrote:I just noticed that PDX-DAL is apparently not getting their 2nd flight until July now, according to the current skeds. Due to a/c delivery delays? I'm going to be keeping an eye on AS's DAL markets.
bb
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
jplatts wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:SANFan wrote:I just noticed that PDX-DAL is apparently not getting their 2nd flight until July now, according to the current skeds. Due to a/c delivery delays? I'm going to be keeping an eye on AS's DAL markets.
bb
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
AS already holds 10 beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA, 4 of which are used for 2 daily nonstops in each direction between DCA and SEA, 2 of which are used for 1 daily nonstop in each direction between DCA and LAX, 2 of which are used for 1 daily nonstop in each direction between DCA and PDX, and 2 (acquired through the AS-XV merger) of which are used for 1 daily nonstop between DCA and SFO. If extra beyond-perimeter slot exemptions are added at DCA, any added beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA should go to DL and WN instead of AS since both of these airlines hold fewer beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA than AS does and since both of these airlines would have opportunities to add nonstop service to additional beyond-perimeter destinations if these two airlines can acquire extra beyond-perimeter slots at DCA.
wedgetail737 wrote:Aren't both DL and AA both exempt from having to apply for beyond-perimeter slots? Maybe not. But I know US Airways did because they flew DCA-SAN for a short time without having to get DOT approval. We'll see if any more beyond-perimeter slots are given out anytime soon.
enilria wrote:No resumption is published and route was previously year-round
**DL EWR-CDG OCT 0.8>0.6 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0
enilria wrote:That ended quickly
*VC AUS-OKC MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0
wedgetail737 wrote:jplatts wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
AS already holds 10 beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA, 4 of which are used for 2 daily nonstops in each direction between DCA and SEA, 2 of which are used for 1 daily nonstop in each direction between DCA and LAX, 2 of which are used for 1 daily nonstop in each direction between DCA and PDX, and 2 (acquired through the AS-XV merger) of which are used for 1 daily nonstop between DCA and SFO. If extra beyond-perimeter slot exemptions are added at DCA, any added beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA should go to DL and WN instead of AS since both of these airlines hold fewer beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA than AS does and since both of these airlines would have opportunities to add nonstop service to additional beyond-perimeter destinations if these two airlines can acquire extra beyond-perimeter slots at DCA.
Aren't both DL and AA both exempt from having to apply for beyond-perimeter slots? Maybe not. But I know US Airways did because they flew DCA-SAN for a short time without having to get DOT approval. We'll see if any more beyond-perimeter slots are given out anytime soon.
wedgetail737 wrote:SANFan wrote:I just noticed that PDX-DAL is apparently not getting their 2nd flight until July now, according to the current skeds. Due to a/c delivery delays? I'm going to be keeping an eye on AS's DAL markets.
bb
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
flyPIT wrote:enilria wrote:These were previously Summer/Fall only
*AC BWI-YUL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC OMA-YYZ NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC PIT-YUL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC SMF-YVR NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
Not true, at least in the case of PIT-YUL which was launched as year round.
OKCDCA wrote:Thanks as always enilria!
SANFan wrote:I blame most of these adjustments on what WN is doing in some of these CA markets.
tphuang wrote:It seems to be AS made a conscious decision to choose SJC over SAN in terms of resources. From what I can see, SAN is a higher yielding station than SJC. SJC is also more heavily dominated by WN. But I think it seem like a strategic decision by AS to prioritize the bay area. I wonder if they will try add more to OAK.
jplatts wrote:AS already holds 10 beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA, 4 of which are used for 2 daily nonstops in each direction between DCA and SEA, 2 of which are used for 1 daily nonstop in each direction between DCA and LAX, 2 of which are used for 1 daily nonstop in each direction between DCA and PDX, and 2 (acquired through the AS-XV merger) of which are used for 1 daily nonstop between DCA and SFO. If extra beyond-perimeter slot exemptions are added at DCA, any added beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA should go to DL and WN instead of AS since both of these airlines hold fewer beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA than AS does and since both of these airlines would have opportunities to add nonstop service to additional beyond-perimeter destinations if these two airlines can acquire extra beyond-perimeter slots at DCA.
jplatts wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:Aren't both DL and AA both exempt from having to apply for beyond-perimeter slots? Maybe not. But I know US Airways did because they flew DCA-SAN for a short time without having to get DOT approval. We'll see if any more beyond-perimeter slots are given out anytime soon.
I am unsure if this is the case with DL since DL dropped one of its DCA-SLC nonstops when it added DCA-LAX nonstop service. DL also will be serving SEA nonstop from IAD but not from DCA. DL would probably be willing to add DCA-SEA nonstop service if it can get an extra beyond-perimeter slot exemption at DCA.
ahj2000 wrote:No one mentioned nonstop Manila-JFK? That ought to be a long route, one I’m suprised PR loaded before announcing.
Also, I thought that LA had said São Paulo-Las Vegas would be 3w? Perhaps a change in plans?
flymco753 wrote:*AS PDX-DTW SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
Aircraft shortage or they aren't doing well?
**DL EWR-CDG OCT 0.8>0.6 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0
Next up to bat, MCO-CDG...I hope.
Thanks enilria!
wedgetail737 wrote:Enilria...thanks again as always!
WWads wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:SANFan wrote:I just noticed that PDX-DAL is apparently not getting their 2nd flight until July now, according to the current skeds. Due to a/c delivery delays? I'm going to be keeping an eye on AS's DAL markets.
bb
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
Really? Then why the heck did they buy VX?
Outside of the slots, all they're getting is some leased Airbuses.
masonh2479 wrote:enilria wrote:That ended quickly
*VC AUS-OKC MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0
Just did some dummy booking on the airlines website and found no sign of the flight being dropped.
WWads wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:SANFan wrote:I just noticed that PDX-DAL is apparently not getting their 2nd flight until July now, according to the current skeds. Due to a/c delivery delays? I'm going to be keeping an eye on AS's DAL markets.
bb
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
Really? Then why the heck did they buy VX?
Outside of the slots, all they're getting is some leased Airbuses.
Planeboy17 wrote:WWads wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
Really? Then why the heck did they buy VX?
Outside of the slots, all they're getting is some leased Airbuses.
To keep B6 from buying VX.
ahj2000 wrote:No one mentioned nonstop Manila-JFK? That ought to be a long route, one I’m suprised PR loaded before announcing.
WWads wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:SANFan wrote:I just noticed that PDX-DAL is apparently not getting their 2nd flight until July now, according to the current skeds. Due to a/c delivery delays? I'm going to be keeping an eye on AS's DAL markets.
bb
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
Really? Then why the heck did they buy VX?
Outside of the slots, all they're getting is some leased Airbuses.
jplatts wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:SANFan wrote:I just noticed that PDX-DAL is apparently not getting their 2nd flight until July now, according to the current skeds. Due to a/c delivery delays? I'm going to be keeping an eye on AS's DAL markets.
bb
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
AS already holds 10 beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA, 4 of which are used for 2 daily nonstops in each direction between DCA and SEA, 2 of which are used for 1 daily nonstop in each direction between DCA and LAX, 2 of which are used for 1 daily nonstop in each direction between DCA and PDX, and 2 (acquired through the AS-XV merger) of which are used for 1 daily nonstop between DCA and SFO. If extra beyond-perimeter slot exemptions are added at DCA, any added beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA should go to DL and WN instead of AS since both of these airlines hold fewer beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA than AS does and since both of these airlines would have opportunities to add nonstop service to additional beyond-perimeter destinations if these two airlines can acquire extra beyond-perimeter slots at DCA.
SANFan wrote:I know this sort of conflict and battling goes on every day in the airline business. I'm just sorry to see this full retreat happening a major AS focus city (SAN) at which AS is supposedly growing and spending lots of effort. As of right now, in fact, AS has cancelled more routes (2) from SAN this year than they've added (1, which ironically was DAL!) This appears to me to be a strategy change which really disappoints me.
bb
Aliqiout wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:jplatts wrote:
AS already holds 10 beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA, 4 of which are used for 2 daily nonstops in each direction between DCA and SEA, 2 of which are used for 1 daily nonstop in each direction between DCA and LAX, 2 of which are used for 1 daily nonstop in each direction between DCA and PDX, and 2 (acquired through the AS-XV merger) of which are used for 1 daily nonstop between DCA and SFO. If extra beyond-perimeter slot exemptions are added at DCA, any added beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA should go to DL and WN instead of AS since both of these airlines hold fewer beyond-perimeter slot exemptions at DCA than AS does and since both of these airlines would have opportunities to add nonstop service to additional beyond-perimeter destinations if these two airlines can acquire extra beyond-perimeter slots at DCA.
Aren't both DL and AA both exempt from having to apply for beyond-perimeter slots? Maybe not. But I know US Airways did because they flew DCA-SAN for a short time without having to get DOT approval. We'll see if any more beyond-perimeter slots are given out anytime soon.
No one is exempt. DCA-SAN was awarded in the last round of slot exemotions. AA moved DCA-SAN to DCA-LAX.
WingsOfLove wrote:enilria wrote:EW RSW-CGN JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.2>0 SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.1>0
RSW-DUS 4x a week
nice this LTU pioneered route keeps going strong
enilria wrote:flyPIT wrote:enilria wrote:These were previously Summer/Fall only
*AC BWI-YUL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC OMA-YYZ NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC PIT-YUL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC SMF-YVR NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
Not true, at least in the case of PIT-YUL which was launched as year round.
Say what you want, but they were not for sale beyond November until now. The entire remainder of the AC network was. So they were selling as seasonal before this load.
PlanesNTrains wrote:WWads wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
Really? Then why the heck did they buy VX?
Outside of the slots, all they're getting is some leased Airbuses.
Please, just don't.
WWads wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:SANFan wrote:I just noticed that PDX-DAL is apparently not getting their 2nd flight until July now, according to the current skeds. Due to a/c delivery delays? I'm going to be keeping an eye on AS's DAL markets.
bb
It is my belief that by Fall, AS will scale way back on DAL, if not pull out and sell the slots and gates at LGA, DCA and DAL. However, it wouldn't surprise me if AS tries to change their DCA-DAL slots to beyond-perimeter slots...however, I very doubt it will be authorized.
Really? Then why the heck did they buy VX?
Outside of the slots, all they're getting is some leased Airbuses.
WWads wrote:PlanesNTrains wrote:WWads wrote:
Really? Then why the heck did they buy VX?
Outside of the slots, all they're getting is some leased Airbuses.
Please, just don't.
Nah, I think I will. It is utterly ridiculous to me that one company should be able to buy another for the purpose of destroying it in an environment that already doesn't have enough competition as is. If DOJ had known that AS had intended to merely sell off the slots (thereby effectively ending VX), I question whether they would have approved the acquisition.
B6 getting VX on the other hand really would have meant more competition, and more choice to the consumer.
PlanesNTrains wrote:WWads wrote:PlanesNTrains wrote:
Please, just don't.
Nah, I think I will. It is utterly ridiculous to me that one company should be able to buy another for the purpose of destroying it in an environment that already doesn't have enough competition as is. If DOJ had known that AS had intended to merely sell off the slots (thereby effectively ending VX), I question whether they would have approved the acquisition.
B6 getting VX on the other hand really would have meant more competition, and more choice to the consumer.
What have they sold?
WWads wrote:PlanesNTrains wrote:WWads wrote:
Really? Then why the heck did they buy VX?
Outside of the slots, all they're getting is some leased Airbuses.
Please, just don't.
Nah, I think I will. It is utterly ridiculous to me that one company should be able to buy another for the purpose of destroying it in an environment that already doesn't have enough competition as is. If DOJ had known that AS had intended to merely sell off the slots (thereby effectively ending VX), I question whether they would have approved the acquisition.
B6 getting VX on the other hand really would have meant more competition, and more choice to the consumer.
If AS really does decide to sell off VX's assets, I won't feel bad when DL finally grinds them out of existence.
PlanesNTrains wrote:WWads wrote:PlanesNTrains wrote:
Please, just don't.
Nah, I think I will. It is utterly ridiculous to me that one company should be able to buy another for the purpose of destroying it in an environment that already doesn't have enough competition as is. If DOJ had known that AS had intended to merely sell off the slots (thereby effectively ending VX), I question whether they would have approved the acquisition.
B6 getting VX on the other hand really would have meant more competition, and more choice to the consumer.
What have they sold?
WWads wrote:PlanesNTrains wrote:WWads wrote:
Nah, I think I will. It is utterly ridiculous to me that one company should be able to buy another for the purpose of destroying it in an environment that already doesn't have enough competition as is. If DOJ had known that AS had intended to merely sell off the slots (thereby effectively ending VX), I question whether they would have approved the acquisition.
B6 getting VX on the other hand really would have meant more competition, and more choice to the consumer.
What have they sold?
Nothing yet.
flyPIT wrote:enilria wrote:These were previously Summer/Fall only
*AC BWI-YUL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC OMA-YYZ NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC PIT-YUL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AC SMF-YVR NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
Not true, at least in the case of PIT-YUL which was launched as year round.
enilria wrote:That ended quickly
*VC AUS-OKC MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0