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Passenger IL-76?

Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:03 am

Hi all,

Couldn't find any threads about this but it's a fairily small question I was wondering about.

I've read about the IL-76 being fitted in a passenger configuration, but can't find any photos showing this. Does anyone have any information about this?
I'd be curious if it were large enough to implement a double-deck configuration, or how the seats would have been placed. And also, what would have been the gain from operating these? I could imagine they were mostly converted from previous military aircraft?

Apologies if this doesn't belong in Civil Aviation!
 
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PatrickZ80
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:51 pm

No double-deck for sure, the IL-76 isn't that big. It's hardly any wider / higher than the 737/A320 and less wide / high than the 767.

As far as I know it has a very odd seating configuration. Instead of rows of seats facing forward like on every other airliner, it has benches along the sides and the middle. Passengers are seated sideways. This seating configuration was originally invented for military troops who had to disembark fast. The benches could be folded down to quickly convert the plane to cargo operations.
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:45 pm

http://rohnfelder.de/en/sidley_planes/ This site have a photo of IL76 carrying people to Antarctica with photo of its interior and they are arranged in 3-3 sitting with extra rooms on both sides
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:56 pm

c933103 wrote:
http://rohnfelder.de/en/sidley_planes/ This site have a photo of IL76 carrying people to Antarctica with photo of its interior and they are arranged in 3-3 sitting with extra rooms on both sides


that blog made for some interesting reading. I think I can comfortably scratch "Antarctic Expedition" off of my bucket-list ;)
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To the OP - clearly, the IL76 is performing the kind of duty it is very well cut out for. No radical changes necessary, or economical. Just bolt down some seating and fly that thing where you need to.
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:10 pm

Here’s a couple

Here are a couple YouTube videos that show the 3+3 seating on the IL-76 that does the Antarctica flights.

https://youtu.be/kzQ86hK3poY

https://youtu.be/oxYcQ6fLeqc
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:10 pm

It's optimized as a military cargo jet. It may take passengers to Antarctica where its design features are useful, but I seriously doubt it could be modified for civilian passenger use at a reasonable cost nor could it be operated in passenger service at lower trip cost than civilian airliners with comparable seat counts.
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:27 am

No way it could be double deck, they are surprisingly small aircraft considering how big they look. They are more A321 size. When I was younger I always thought they were 747 size until I actually saw one parked next to a A300 at EMA.
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:39 am

Samrnpage wrote:
No way it could be double deck, they are surprisingly small aircraft considering how big they look. They are more A321 size. When I was younger I always thought they were 747 size until I actually saw one parked next to a A300 at EMA.


yeah, I was wondering about that same subjective impression I had, so I spent a moment studying photos, and I think the high wing/wing box, rear bogeys, and cockpit glass really give a deceptive impression of size. Then my eye strayed to the engines and bingo.... those things are tiny and are the giveaway to the true size of the thing!

But still cool, in a "midget" kinda way ;)
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:58 am

The original ( pre-76MF) models are fitted with mounting points along the walls for an upper deck, used occasionally for trooping.

One of the early proposals from Ilyushin was a double-deck 250-seat civil 'airbus' with six-abreast on the upper deck and three-abreast lower, offset to starboard with baggage accommodation to port. Both decks had a height of 1.9 metres in the aisles.
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:04 am

You can see the upper deck fitted in this Indian Air Force example. It is utilitarian but does the job:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cd4jd07UsAAqHrn.jpg
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:39 am

Samrnpage wrote:
No way it could be double deck, they are surprisingly small aircraft considering how big they look. They are more A321 size.


I doubt you can roll tanks into an A321. :)
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:01 pm

As far as I recall there were more than 250 OS X killed in the Algerian Air Force IL 76 that crashed last week. How were those seated / were they seatf?
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:20 pm

The IL-76 involved in the Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision in 1996 had passengers onboard... it was probably configured with these 3-3 seating layout, similar to this Antartica ops IL-76
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:16 am

Samrnpage wrote:
No way it could be double deck, they are surprisingly small aircraft considering how big they look. They are more A321 size.


No, not A321-sized. 767-200 sized:

Il-76 50.5 x 46.6 x 14.8 metres 170 tonnes
B762 47.6 x 48.5 x 15.85 metres 179 tonnes
A321 34 x 44.5 x 11.8 metres, 85 tonnes
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:50 am

JayBCNLON wrote:
As far as I recall there were more than 250 OS X killed in the Algerian Air Force IL 76 that crashed last week. How were those seated / were they seatf?


I was thinking the same... maybe it was fitted with the two-decks mentioned in one of the posts above??
 
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:18 am

An Iranian Air Force Il-76 killed more than the Algerian one — there is a way of using the Il-76 as a trooper, can’t recall exactly how it’s done as all my flights on the Il-76 have been freighters. I think it does involve a second tier, some kind of temporary structure that soldiers can sit on above their comrades.

Btw the one that hit the Saudia 747 wasn’t really “carrying passengers”, it had 27 “passengers” onboard but they will have been cargo agents and friends of the crew hitching a ride and sitting on the floor or standing.
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:11 am

Love the IFE

Image

There's an extra backward facing seat in the tail.

Image

Double deck doesn't appear very comfy.

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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:55 am

c933103 wrote:
http://rohnfelder.de/en/sidley_planes/ This site have a photo of IL76 carrying people to Antarctica with photo of its interior and they are arranged in 3-3 sitting with extra rooms on both sides


I thought the toilet on the IL-76 looked revolting enough, and then I came across the bucket and funnel photo on the DC-3 :eyepopping: Yikes!
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:23 am

cedarjet wrote:
An Iranian Air Force Il-76 killed more than the Algerian one — there is a way of using the Il-76 as a trooper, can’t recall exactly how it’s done as all my flights on the Il-76 have been freighters. I think it does involve a second tier, some kind of temporary structure that soldiers can sit on above their comrades.


The Iranian crash involved an IL-76 that belonged to Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps Aerospace Force (IRGC-AF) and not the regular air force (IRIAF).
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Re: Passenger IL-76?

Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:18 pm

You wouldn't fight with your gf for the seat near the window
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