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What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:03 pm

Dutch Police is urgently trying to find out which airliner this is.
Suggestions are: Finnair or Avianca.
Is there anyone that can give a confirmation about this?
Note the square tray tables, no screens in the chairs.
Grey, White and black interior. Grey curtains.

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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:23 pm

Avianca. Finnair have a standard Euro business class set up, middle seat blocked, not First Class type seas that can be seen in the pic. The ethnicity of the passengers would suggest they are not a standard group of Scandinavian passengers.
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:25 pm

It looks like it is 2 abreast on the left side of the aisle.
There is an emergency exit relatively far forward, somewhere like row 5.
Overhead Bins and sidewall panels look like a single aisle Airbus.

So let's say I see this wrong and it is in fact 3 abreast.
Avianca A318 is the best guess.
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:56 pm

Just out of curiosity...why are Dutch police interested in an Avianca (if correct) narrowbody?
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:19 pm

I thought 2-3 seating as well, but those sidewalls definitely suggest an A319/320, and pics from this angle can be a little deceiving. Also, note the elements of maroon being used in four separate spots. It looks like perhaps a maroon pillow or blankets in 2 of the seats, the maroon elements on the curtain, and also the maroon elements on the galley cart. So I'm thinking this airline uses maroon in their branding. Without knowing many contexts, like which part of the world this airplane took off from, it's hard to tell. I thought Germanwings perhaps?
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:20 pm

trijetsonly wrote:
Avianca A318 is the best guess.


If it's indeed Avianca I think you're right that it's a 318. If I could right it should be 3 rows of Business and 3 rows of Eco ahead of the emergency exit, as is evident by the lining on the floor;

https://seatguru.com/airlines/Avianca/A ... 18-100.php

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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:39 pm

Isn't that a flight map on the overhead monitors? If it is indeed the Dutch police looking badly for this, then I'm sure their IT crime department has image enhancement software to find out where this plane was at the time of the photo. That should narrow it down to a (or possibly two) continent the airline is from.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:48 pm

Maybe someone can recognize the current picture on the moving map? With squeezed eyes it can be interpreted as Europe. But on the other hand there seems to be quite a lot of water in east.
 
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What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:59 pm

You can see at the ceiling that there are 3 lamps each and 3 “fans” each per row. So on the left side there must be 3 seats each.
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:01 pm

paullam wrote:
You can see at the ceiling that there are 3 lamps each and 3 “fans” each per row. So on the left side there must be 3 seats each.

That, and also, the aisle is in the middle of the aircraft. Definitely 3+3 seating.

Another observation is that the seatbelt sign is on and the curtains to J class is open. Highly probable that the photo is from around take-off or landing. That, in combination with the map, could give some clues to the origin or destination of the flight.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:02 pm

I don’t think that is a map. It looks like something from a TV show/movie/advertisement.

Also image enhancement software does not work like on TV. It is not zoom and enhance and presto crystal clear image.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:03 pm

Polot wrote:
I don’t think that is a map. It looks like something from a TV show/movie/advertisement.

Also image enhancement software does not work like on TV. It is not zoom and enhance and presto crystal clear image.

Of course not. But it does work. Remember when Canadian police could identify a pedofile from this pic? :
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/22569 ... n-Thailand

It's not exactly image enhancing, but the technology is similar.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:35 pm

trijetsonly wrote:
Avianca A318 is the best guess.

Yep, the seats and the curtain look pretty similar to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8ic-XnWUb8

The number of overhead screens between the curtain and the exit seems to match as well.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:51 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
Isn't that a flight map on the overhead monitors? If it is indeed the Dutch police looking badly for this, then I'm sure their IT crime department has image enhancement software to find out where this plane was at the time of the photo. That should narrow it down to a (or possibly two) continent the airline is from.


You watch way too much TV. There is no such thing as image enhancement software that would bring out that much detail.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:59 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
Just out of curiosity...why are Dutch police interested in an Avianca (if correct) narrowbody?



This from another thread
According to this....to find a murder suspect


https://www.politie.nl/nieuws/2018/juni ... zouki.html
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:59 pm

Koosi wrote:
trijetsonly wrote:
Avianca A318 is the best guess.

Yep, the seats and the curtain look pretty similar to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8ic-XnWUb8

The number of overhead screens between the curtain and the exit seems to match as well.


Agree. The curtains are the giveaway, IMO.
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:01 pm

Since the OP gave absolutely no information I did some digging via reverse image searches. The picture was taken on Jan 16, 2018 at 20:57. It relates to locating a murder suspect and there is a 25,000 Euro reward for information leading to an arrest. https://translate.google.com/translate? ... rev=search
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:14 pm

They're searching for the location of this photo as well. Could it be an airport bus? Anybody got an idea about the location?
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pbody wrote:
Since the OP gave absolutely no information I did some digging via reverse image searches. The picture was taken on Jan 16, 2018 at 20:57. It relates to locating a murder suspect and there is a 25,000 Euro reward for information leading to an arrest. https://translate.google.com/translate? ... rev=search

Here's the original source: https://www.politie.nl/nieuws/2018/juni ... zouki.html The guy is Moroccan and suspected of multiple murders.

OP probably wanted to cash the 25K himself :cheeky:
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:47 pm

RGpol wrote:
Dutch Police is urgently trying to find out which airliner this is.
Suggestions are: Finnair or Avianca.
Is there anyone that can give a confirmation about this?
Note the square tray tables, no screens in the chairs.
Grey, White and black interior. Grey curtains.

Image

I see no picture. And where do the suggestions come from?
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:04 pm

Jetty wrote:
They're searching for the location of this photo as well. Could it be an airport bus? Anybody got an idea about the location?
Image

pbody wrote:
Since the OP gave absolutely no information I did some digging via reverse image searches. The picture was taken on Jan 16, 2018 at 20:57. It relates to locating a murder suspect and there is a 25,000 Euro reward for information leading to an arrest. https://translate.google.com/translate? ... rev=search

Here's the original source: https://www.politie.nl/nieuws/2018/juni ... zouki.html The guy is Moroccan and suspected of multiple murders.

OP probably wanted to cash the 25K himself :cheeky:


I wouldn't say that's an airport bus... In fact, looks like public transport to me, especially because of the publicity on the front right. I've never seen one with the enclosed driver's seat, though.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:52 pm

Could it be TAM ?

How about those handles on the luggage lockers … Airbus or Boeing ?
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:54 pm

I am pretty sure it is not Finnair.
Just had 4 flights within the last 4 weeks ( 2 X A320 and 2 X A350) and their curtains are only grey - no other colours.
In the photo one can clearly see the curtain has grey and red colours ...
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:10 pm

Mortyman wrote:
Could it be TAM ?

How about those handles on the luggage lockers … Airbus or Boeing ?


Nope, TAM doesn’t have a separate J section on their nareowbodies. The seat color is also off. I wonder what good these pictures will do though. Even if identified correctly.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:15 pm

reffado wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Could it be TAM ?

How about those handles on the luggage lockers … Airbus or Boeing ?


Nope, TAM doesn’t have a separate J section on their nareowbodies. The seat color is also off. I wonder what good these pictures will do though. Even if identified correctly.

For example, if the flight can be identified, it shouldn't be hard to find out under what identity the person was travelling. If he is wanted and on the Interpol list, he can't very well be using his own passport. If it is indeed Avianca, and he is in Colombia, then a copy of this passport is probably available at one of the hotels at the destination airport. I would say that is a major step forward in the investigation. Other details, such as credit card, travel companions etc can be found in his PNR.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:40 pm

Its an A321. Likely a post ~2008 build since it has the new sidewalls and bin doors but could be a retrofit.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:02 am

Mortyman wrote:
Could it be TAM ?

How about those handles on the luggage lockers … Airbus or Boeing ?



Can not be TAM, since they are part of LATAM now, and they are not using the overhead screens anymore, for more than a year or so.

Now you have IFE with your smartphone downloading the LATAM Entertainement App.


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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:02 am

Gonzalo wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Could it be TAM ?

How about those handles on the luggage lockers … Airbus or Boeing ?



Can not be TAM, since they are part of LATAM now, and they are not using the overhead screens anymore, for more than a year or so.

Now you have IFE with your smartphone downloading the LATAM Entertainement App.


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As you say, they they are part of LATAM, and LATAM definitely had, at least last January when I last flew on them, the overhead screens in Y on their A320s.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:16 am

Lack of any blond passengers would eliminate the Finnair imo.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:23 am

Lots of long sleeve shirts. Could indicate the origin was a colder area.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:46 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
Gonzalo wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Could it be TAM ?

How about those handles on the luggage lockers … Airbus or Boeing ?



Can not be TAM, since they are part of LATAM now, and they are not using the overhead screens anymore, for more than a year or so.

Now you have IFE with your smartphone downloading the LATAM Entertainement App.


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As you say, they they are part of LATAM, and LATAM definitely had, at least last January when I last flew on them, the overhead screens in Y on their A320s.


Hello Malev, maybe that’s the case in some Latam Brazil aircraft ? I fly multiple sectors every month with Latam Chile ( LAN if you want ), and all the aircraft are with the Wi Fi system, ergo the IFE goes through the smartphone or tablet. I don’t remember the last time I had a OH screen deployed on a flight, but it was long time ago for sure, at least one year ago.
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:58 am

The grey curtains with red edges is what leads me to believe it is Avianca.

IIRC, LATAM doesnt have those.
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:04 am

Gonzalo wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Gonzalo wrote:


Can not be TAM, since they are part of LATAM now, and they are not using the overhead screens anymore, for more than a year or so.

Now you have IFE with your smartphone downloading the LATAM Entertainement App.


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Gonzalo

As you say, they they are part of LATAM, and LATAM definitely had, at least last January when I last flew on them, the overhead screens in Y on their A320s.


Hello Malev, maybe that’s the case in some Latam Brazil aircraft ? I fly multiple sectors every month with Latam Chile ( LAN if you want ), and all the aircraft are with the Wi Fi system, ergo the IFE goes through the smartphone or tablet. I don’t remember the last time I had a OH screen deployed on a flight, but it was long time ago for sure, at least one year ago.
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Hi Gonzalo!
That was LATAM Brazil, LATAM Paraguay and LATAM Perú (I think...could have been Colombia...I flew BOG-GRU-ASU-EZE-LIM-BOG). Except for EZE-LIM which was a 767, all the other flights were on the A320, and all with overhead monitors.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:15 am

ABpositive wrote:
Lack of any blond passengers would eliminate the Finnair imo.


The Finnair narrow bodies feeding the Asia flights often are packed with non blonds ;) But yes, this definitely isn't AY, different seat covers, curtains etc
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:45 am

Almost definitely an Avianca Brand, here's a view of their curtains from business class.
If it's an A318, would we know for sure it's AV and not Avianca Brazil?
https://www.waytofly.com/img/business-class/AV/business.jpg
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:26 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
Gonzalo wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
As you say, they they are part of LATAM, and LATAM definitely had, at least last January when I last flew on them, the overhead screens in Y on their A320s.


Hello Malev, maybe that’s the case in some Latam Brazil aircraft ? I fly multiple sectors every month with Latam Chile ( LAN if you want ), and all the aircraft are with the Wi Fi system, ergo the IFE goes through the smartphone or tablet. I don’t remember the last time I had a OH screen deployed on a flight, but it was long time ago for sure, at least one year ago.
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Hi Gonzalo!
That was LATAM Brazil, LATAM Paraguay and LATAM Perú (I think...could have been Colombia...I flew BOG-GRU-ASU-EZE-LIM-BOG). Except for EZE-LIM which was a 767, all the other flights were on the A320, and all with overhead monitors.



Hello Malev! Thanks for your inputs, let’s hope all this can be useful for the OP.
One thing I’m sure, since I kept a record for more than 10 years now, all the frames I flew were registered in Chile (CC-... ), although is not uncommon to see the flag of other countries in the side, frequently Colombian and Ecuadorian flags.
Next week I have four flights booked, let’s see what happens :)
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:55 am

This is the most a net thread I’ve ever seen.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:07 am

ABpositive wrote:
Lack of any blond passengers would eliminate the Finnair imo.


I think the cabin eliminates finnair. It's crazy to assume the racial demographics of the passengers on board considering you can only see the skin tone of one passenger and the hair of only a small handful. For all we know every other passenger out of frame could be blonde haired/blue eyed. Finnair is also a very connection heavy airline. I flew ARN-HEL on them and I was surprised that remarkably few passengers were Scandanavian, most seemed to be connecting to Asia.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:39 am

32andBelow wrote:
This is the most a net thread I’ve ever seen.

The most . . . ?
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:48 pm

RGpol wrote:
Dutch Police is urgently trying to find out which airliner this is.
Suggestions are: Finnair or Avianca.
Is there anyone that can give a confirmation about this?
Note the square tray tables, no screens in the chairs.
Grey, White and black interior. Grey curtains.

Image

Sorry for asking again. Where do the suggestions come from? Are they from you, from the police, from someone else? For some reason the photo is not visible.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:55 pm

In the replies I see A318, A319, A320 and A321 as possible candidates. Can this be narrowed down?

And is Avianca really the only option? Maybe frequent fliers or cabin crew might help. Did someone already report his findings to the police?
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:38 pm

Interiour panels, sidewalls, overhead bins, overwing exit location and type to me show an A318/319 (1 exit per side). The type of class devider and colour of the curtain (with the red stripe) as well as the type and colour of seats and tables to me are the same as avianca uses/used.

https://youtu.be/X8ic-XnWUb8
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:54 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
Did someone already report his findings to the police?

I've send police the suggestion of Avianca (which makes much sense for a drug-dealer) and a link to this thread.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:17 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
In the replies I see A318, A319, A320 and A321 as possible candidates. Can this be narrowed down?

And is Avianca really the only option? Maybe frequent fliers or cabin crew might help. Did someone already report his findings to the police?

It is definitely not an A320 or A321. Nowhere in the middle of A320 cabin is there a single exit (and if an airline does plug one of the overwings the pictured exit is far too close to the front of the cabin) and the pictured exit is too small to be an A321’s L2 door (which goes up to the bottom of the overhead bins). It is an overwing exit. And like others say based on the distance to the front likely an A318.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:47 pm

The bus on the other photo is an old city bus used in Bogota. So Avianca Colombia A318 is very likely
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:05 pm

It's definetly Avianca.


pbody wrote:
Since the OP gave absolutely no information I did some digging via reverse image searches. The picture was taken on Jan 16, 2018 at 20:57. It relates to locating a murder suspect and there is a 25,000 Euro reward for information leading to an arrest. https://translate.google.com/translate? ... rev=search



20:57 local time?

With public data from Airfleet.net and a gold subscription on FR24 one can guess that AV had A318 flying on these flights on 16JAN18 from 20:01 to 21:25 local Colombia time:
BOG-CUC (AV 9428),
CUC-BOG (AV 9453),
BOG-BGA (AV 9466),
BOG-BAQ (AV 9532),
PEI-BOG (AV 9810),
BGA-BOG (AV 8569).
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:20 pm

Now we are getting somewhere! Hats off to everyone!
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:25 pm

This is awesome! CSI, Anet style.
 
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:49 pm

a318, no other chance. 3 business, emergency exit between 3/4 eco row. if indeed avianca, your seats would be most likely 20D, check for flights in which 1D; 2D; 3D; were empty. airlines know for some time who sat were. also the seats have a sort of stirrup for smaller flight attendants to step into them if they need something from an overhead bin. those are not common on every a32*srs.

usually on different legs there are different catering onloads. note that an aluminum box is missing above the oven in the front galley. this could be something specific to a certain routing. might be a piece in the puzzle.
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Re: What airliner is this?

Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:50 pm

winGl3t wrote:
It's definetly Avianca.


pbody wrote:
Since the OP gave absolutely no information I did some digging via reverse image searches. The picture was taken on Jan 16, 2018 at 20:57. It relates to locating a murder suspect and there is a 25,000 Euro reward for information leading to an arrest. https://translate.google.com/translate? ... rev=search



20:57 local time?

With public data from Airfleet.net and a gold subscription on FR24 one can guess that AV had A318 flying on these flights on 16JAN18 from 20:01 to 21:25 local Colombia time:
BOG-CUC (AV 9428),
CUC-BOG (AV 9453),
BOG-BGA (AV 9466),
BOG-BAQ (AV 9532),
PEI-BOG (AV 9810),
BGA-BOG (AV 8569).

I still think it is an inflight map on the monitors. And from this info, I think it is possible it is the southwestern part of Colombia's Caribbean coast, from Panama to Barranquilla, roughly. If correct, then this aircraft is not going to/ from Pereira, nor Cúcuta. Possibly Bucaramanga, but most probably Barranquilla. If I was leading this investigation, I would ask for the surveillance tapes for the boarding of AV 9532 from that date...

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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos