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Re: why buy new 777 freighters?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:21 pm

1. There is no 77W Pax to freighter conversion

2. The 77W is no where near the stage of retirement at EVA and many other airlines.

3. The 777F has excellent range for the amount of payload it can haul.
 
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why buy new 777 freighters?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:24 pm

I was just browsing the awesome photos here and I came across a year-old 777F from my favorite airline (EVA) taking off from Anchorage. As a 777-300 launch customer, EVA has plenty of long in the tooth 777s to convert to freighter service. Why pay the premium of buying new freighters? I get the nose door of the 747F, but what's so great about a factory-built 777F?
 
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Re: why buy new 777 freighters?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:43 pm

MRYapproach wrote:
Why pay the premium of buying new freighters? I get the nose door of the 747F, but what's so great about a factory-built 777F?


The Key item is the fact that the floor structure is rated for freight; and it's an expensive conversion.

I do believe that the 777F also has a larger load capability than the P-F conversion.

There's a reason no one has yet ordered a 777 P-F; and there have been a number of potential 777P frames available.

Also, keep in mind that the part-out value of a 777P is fairly high...

Have a great day,
 
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Re: why buy new 777 freighters?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:27 pm

777 Passenger models have carbon floor beams. 777 Freighter models have metallic beams.
 
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Re: why buy new 777 freighters?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:35 pm

1. There is currently no P2F program available for the 777, nor is any likely to be forthcoming due to the need for a full floor replacement. Such a replacement would render the conversion economically unviable
2. Pound for pound, there's no better long-range freighter on the market.
3. The nose-door on a 747 comes with height/width restrictions, and may thus rarely be used by the majority of 747F operators.
4. The 777F can take ULDs almost the same size of a 747F, and can rotate very long pieces through a main-deck door which is higher and wider than that on a 747F
5. The 777F will take 100 tons of freight and fly it for 11 hours. A 747-400F will take the same 100 tons for 8 hours, and a -8F will do 10.
6. The 777F will complete the above mission having burned 20-30% less fuel than a 747F, and enjoying lower overflight, landing and handling charges as well as being cheaper to own, insure and maintain
7. There's a mountain of 777 pilots and engineers on the market; 747 rated guys and girls are constantly diminishing
Signature. You just read one.
 
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Re: why buy new 777 freighters?

Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:42 pm

Thanks all for thoughtful, informative and polite responses.

I guess this just confirms the 777 as the best airliner program in history...IMO.

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