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Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:37 am

This one piques my interest because of AC548/9. For years, this route was flown by an Airbus A319 as the regularly-scheduled equipment from Vancouver to Newark. However, in June 2016, the route was up-gauged from the Airbus A319 (with 12 J seats) to a Boeing 787-8 and has since then been varied between the 787-8 and 787-9 (it's currently a 787-9 route) (with 30 J seats). This was likely because of pressure from Cathay Pacific (6 F and 53 J seats) and Philippine Airlines (42 J seats) on the Vancouver-NYC city pair (although PR is discontinuing service to Vancouver and going nonstop from JFK to MNL in the winter).

Where else has there been such a large up-gauge or down-gauge on a regular basis? This up-gauge when it happened caused a 110 percent increase in seats (120 to 251) and as it is now, nearly 150 percent from when it was an A319 service (298 now, 120 then). I would imagine that some occurred when the B762 or A310 began ETOPS missions as well as from the West Coast of the USA to Hawaii as service transitioned to narrow-body service, but what routes specifically?
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:06 am

Do you mean permeant upguages or upguages based on the season?
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:29 am

Well MH has recently began sending A380's to SYD which is normally an A330-300
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:48 am

Do you mean an equipment up gauge on a particular flight or overall capacity on a route?

It’s easy to have huge percentage increases in capacity on low frequency routes.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:58 am

Saudia to Spain would qualify.

It used to be an old B777 flying RUH-JED-MXP-MAD or JED-RUH-MXP-MAD 2 a week each.

When they got A320s (2010) they swapped the flight for RUH-MXP-MAD and JED-MXP-MAD twice a week each.

Now it is a 4 weekly RUH-JED-MAD on a B789 and this summer SV has resumed Málaga, RUH-AGP and JED-AGP twice a week each.

So JED-MAD has gone from a two weekly low-density A320 with an intermediate stop in Malpensa to a 4 weekly non-stop B789.

For permanent down gauges, probably Venezuela is a good place to look at.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:27 am

United SFO-TLV went from a thrice-weekly 788 to a daily 77W within about a year and a half. Now EL Al will enter the market with a 789 starting May, 2019.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:12 am

UA1175 SFO-HNL / UA724 HNL-SFO operates as a 772 everyday but Tuesday where it operates as a 739.

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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:13 am

SU SVO-TLV from daily A319 to 2 daily 77W + daily A333 +2 daily A321 in about 5 years
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:31 am

This summer, Alaska switches a SEA - RDM (Redmond, Oregon) flight from a Q400 to a 738. Short flight but a big change in equipment.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:10 am

AF used to send A380s to DXB about 5 years ago, then downgauged to a 777-200er. It has since gone to a 77W.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:17 am

Turkish send anything from an A320 to a B77W on IST-MAN if that counts?

It’s usually an A321neo but this summer the A330 is scheduled with the B77W making ad-hoc appearances too.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:27 am

AKL went from 4x daily A388 services from EK (1x direct, 1x via Syd, Mel, Bne) to just 1x daily direct in the space of 6 months.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:03 am

BA sent their A380s to Frankfurt initially to familiarize/qualify their crews in a short amount of time. Same applies for AF who sent their A380s to Heathrow in 2010, routinely replacing A32Xs ...
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:05 am

2 BA Destinations come to mind, Moscow and Cairo. I'm sure they used to be both 747 operated on certain flights.

Now a mix of A321's and 787's.
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:17 am

In the winter, SAS uses ATR72s on the ARN-VBY route. But in the summer many flights are upgauged to 737-800s.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:20 am

Think about all those 747 in full domestic config that flown between Tokyo and Osaka in past and those little 737 left on the route now for connection and by LCC.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:47 am

If you count a whole Airlines operation at one Airport, Emirates went from one daily A330-200 on HAM-DXB to two daily 777-300ER from HAM to each DXB and JFK in October 2006. Thats a pretty much of a capacity boost from one day to another, but going to different places of course.

Look at almost all Emirates routes. They went from (mostly) zero capacity to several A380s a day in many cases, within like 20 or 30 years.

Or THY routes to Europe. For example HAM-IST was served 2-5 weekly in the mid 90s (727/A310, depending on season). Now we are at up to five daily, one being an A330 regularly.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:57 am

DLHAM wrote:
Or THY routes to Europe. For example HAM-IST was served 2-5 weekly in the mid 90s (727/A310, depending on season). Now we are at up to five daily, one being an A330 regularly.


I was about to write the same thing.
Turkish Airlines's routes to Germany, France and Italy (MXP + FCO) are flown by A333s on a regular base.

As for downgauges, I see AZ's Milan-Rome routing passing from 1 take off every 1h / 1h 30' (during daytime) with MD-82s from both MXP and LIN to one flight every 2 - 3 hrs, only from LIN, with A319s - E175s, rarely A320s.
That's because of harsh competition from the HST line.

Edit: Swiss and Helvetic fly 3 / 4 times a day to FLR from ZRH on a regular schedule, CS100 + E195. Also LH increased scheduling using own E195s (LH Regional) FLR-FRA, but I think both are seasonal, as the daily (not sure) TUI Belgium E195 from Antwerp.
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:31 am

[quote="DLHAM]

Look at almost all Emirates routes. They went from (mostly) zero capacity to several A380s a day in many cases, within like 20 or 30 years.

[/quote]

I find a good example of this to be AMS - started in 2010 and became 2x daily A380 in 2016. Now they are looking at a third daily A380.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:45 am

SQ182/181 SIN-BWN. A320 on 4 or 5 days of the week, 772 on the other days.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:30 pm

Joelatbsl wrote:
BA sent their A380s to Frankfurt initially to familiarize/qualify their crews in a short amount of time. Same applies for AF who sent their A380s to Heathrow in 2010, routinely replacing A32Xs ...


Indeed, was on BA910 on 06-08-2013 with G-XLEA operating in place of the scheduled A319. Passenger numbers were maintained to support the original equipment in case of technical issues, so 77 passengers on an A380. Returned on BA903 the next day, also operated by 'EA.

In the late 90's early 2000's used to fly LHR-LBA-LHR alot with BMI. Was Forrest Gump box of chololates as you never knew what you'd be on F100, 733, 735, A320, A321

Perhaps the saddest down grade was SA220/221 LHR/CPT/LHR...early 2000's B744, then mid 2000's A346, then before its demise A343
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:23 pm

yochai wrote:
SU SVO-TLV from daily A319 to 2 daily 77W + daily A333 +2 daily A321 in about 5 years

That’s because Transaero collapsed.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:33 pm

MKE-SEA went from 2x daily E75 (1 AS, 1 DL) to 1x AS 739, 1x DL A319 this summer. WN served this in the past, so on a long term basis its not up thaaaat much, but I thought I was an interesting one.


LAX-SEA has gone from a start of 2x ERJ for DL in 2007 to 8x daily 73H or similiar while UA correspondingly declined from 5-6 daily mainline flights to 2x daily E75 (actually up from a lower point)
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:44 pm

AA ORD-CUN is going from 3x 738 to 2x 788 starting this winter, which is a pretty big up-gauge in aircraft, but actually a reduction in # of seats per day.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:03 pm

kbmiflyer wrote:
AA ORD-CUN is going from 3x 738 to 2x 788 starting this winter, which is a pretty big up-gauge in aircraft, but actually a reduction in # of seats per day.


Along those lines, I don't remember the specifics but Delta runs 1x 739 in the summer MSP to CUN. In the winter time isn't it something along the lines of three 333's on Saturday?
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:49 pm

User001 wrote:
Turkish send anything from an A320 to a B77W on IST-MAN if that counts?

It’s usually an A321neo but this summer the A330 is scheduled with the B77W making ad-hoc appearances too.



It's not that spectaculair as you mention, the B77W have been sent to MAN just 1 time this year (28 March) and the A330 is not really regular scheduled at MAN. just some substitutes.

In AMS, TK has made a big growth lately from a mix of whole fleet to 3*A333 + 1*A321 daily
SU has upgauged AMS from 3*A321 to 2*A321 + 1*A330 daily

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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:50 pm

Royal Air Maroc sometimes swap 738 for larger aircrafts during summer. I once got an up-gauges from 737-800 to 747-400 for a 2 hours flight !
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:38 am

Last year American was flying everything from RJs to a330s on BOS-PHL.
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:35 am

Swiss used to fly from Zurich to Cairo with their A340 (and probably the MD-11s for a while before that) and now does this flight with the CS-300!
 
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:31 pm

The Vancouver to New York Air Canada upguage was due to the introduction of the. Vancouver to Brisbane route which allows a YVR-EWR return before the return to Oz. So it's not seasonal changes but a routing "permanent" change. We have seasonal upguages for British Airways LHR-YVR to an A380 from a B747 in winter. Additionally there are numerous winter upguages by Air Transat from B737 to A330 to sun destinations like Puerto Vallarta. Finally peak times from Vegas and LA are B767 as opposed to A319 or A320.
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Re: Largest route up-gauges or down-gauges (regularly-scheduled)

Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:15 pm

Delta had upgauged ATL-DAB, mostly an MD-88 route (and at times an MD-88/CR7/CRJ combo) to 757s during the busy period. One year it was all 757s to DAB with them.

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