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New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:55 pm

Welcome to New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018, please continue to add your comments below

Link to the June edition

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:39 pm

Check out this thread https://tinyurl.com/y9wchlwo on United's decision to drop LAX-SIN with the 789. Lots of detail on operational challenges that seem to have factored into the decision including impact of the extreme range on pax and cargo loads.

There has been debate here over the years on what the 789 can do on NZ routes. We know now that, at least with the lighter Code 2 configuration and -TEN engines, it has the legs to manage routes like IAH and ORD at least on an interim basis until the 77E replacement arrives. (Anyone know how much of a the 789 will take on pax/cargo westbound with peak winter winds from IAH and ORD?) Meantime the detail around UA experience on LAX-SIN is quite an eye-opener, with the caveat that northern Pacific winds seem to present some extreme challenges at times. To put it in context, AKL-ORD looks about 500nm further great circle than SIN-LAX.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:09 pm

There is currently speculation in the Australia Aviation thread that a replacement for John Borghetti by the end of the year should be more appropriately posted in the New Zealand forum...
I take this as meaning a kiwi could be JB's replacement. Any ideas/speculation on who?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:17 pm

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To put it in context, AKL-ORD looks about 500nm further great circle than SIN-LAX.


You have that mixed up, SIN-LAX is 510nm longer (great circle) than AKL-ORD

The full list of 787 routes is posted in the following thread if you are interested (2nd post)

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:53 pm

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There is currently speculation in the Australia Aviation thread that a replacement for John Borghetti by the end of the year should be more appropriately posted in the New Zealand forum...
I take this as meaning a kiwi could be JB's replacement. Any ideas/speculation on who?


It could literally be any Kiwi in a senior business position from any industry. As an example; Norris and Luxon both brought into NZ from other industries.

Could be some smoke and speculation around Bruce Parton's exit but I don't suspect this will be the case.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:01 am

What about Rob Fyfe?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:03 am

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What about Rob Fyfe?


I was thinking Rob Fyfe or Bruce Parton myself actually...
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:11 am

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xiaotung wrote:
What about Rob Fyfe?


I was thinking Rob Fyfe or Bruce Parton myself actually...


If he is exiting to join VA then he wouldn't be around now, it would be see ya later.

He won't even be allowed to negotiate with VA while in his current position.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:30 am

3C will start 36x weekly AKL - PPQ flights on 20 August 2018.

3C says "We think the route has a huge amount of potential."

Some key aspects of the deal are:

- $50,000 in marketing investment
- Free terminal lease for year one
- Discounts on operating charges

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12081615.

I hope this new service works out better than NZ's prior one.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:51 am

planemanofnz wrote:
3C will start 36x weekly AKL - PPQ flights on 20 August 2018.

3C says "We think the route has a huge amount of potential."

Some key aspects of the deal are:

- $50,000 in marketing investment
- Free terminal lease for year one
- Discounts on operating charges

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12081615.

I hope this new service works out better than NZ's prior one.

Cheers,

C.

36 flights a week?? Well no-one will criticise them for going into this half-arsed..........

But I'm glad to see the free terminal lease and discounts. Way to go PPQ.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:40 am

planemanofnz wrote:
3C will start 36x weekly AKL - PPQ flights on 20 August 2018.

3C says "We think the route has a huge amount of potential."

Some key aspects of the deal are:

- $50,000 in marketing investment
- Free terminal lease for year one
- Discounts on operating charges

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12081615.

I hope this new service works out better than NZ's prior one.

Cheers,

C.


I love it "We think the route has a huge amount of potential." yet they took 2 months of talks and negotiations over various discounts for 3C to commit. Can't have that much immediate "potential".

Having said that, I wish them well.

On the unfair hand, do we see 3C building this route and patronage and sometime in the future, whether it be 2 years, 10 years or 20 years down the track NZ coming back in and undercutting 3C and taking over like a big 'corporate bully'?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:32 am

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36 flights a week?? Well no-one will criticise them for going into this half-arsed..........

But I'm glad to see the free terminal lease and discounts. Way to go PPQ.


Its only 1,124 seats per week to fill if they use the Saab which should be do-able. We're as if NZ was todo that with an Q300 it would be more like 1800 seat per week, which would be 700 seats more to try fill.

About time Air Chats comes up with an new name? they are becoming more Air Auckland, with now AKL-WAG, AKL-WHK, AKL-PPQ, AKL-CHT and maybe soon AKL-NLK.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:59 am

NZ6 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
3C will start 36x weekly AKL - PPQ flights on 20 August 2018.

3C says "We think the route has a huge amount of potential."

Some key aspects of the deal are:

- $50,000 in marketing investment
- Free terminal lease for year one
- Discounts on operating charges

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12081615.

I hope this new service works out better than NZ's prior one.

Cheers,

C.


I love it "We think the route has a huge amount of potential." yet they took 2 months of talks and negotiations over various discounts for 3C to commit. Can't have that much immediate "potential".


I don't think that's fair. Any good business person is going to try and get the best deal for their company and if 3C had rushed in and taken on the route straight away, they would be in a worse financial state than they are now that they have negotiated all these discounts/benefits. I don't think it says the route would have been unprofitable without the deals but it will help improve it for 3C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:33 am

qf789 wrote:
tealnz wrote:
To put it in context, AKL-ORD looks about 500nm further great circle than SIN-LAX.


You have that mixed up, SIN-LAX is 510nm longer (great circle) than AKL-ORD

Thanks for picking that up. Yes, brain fade...
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:54 am

Actually moving the LAX-SIN route to SFO-SIN makes sense as UAL will not be able to compete with SQ once they start SIN-LAX in a few months and it gives UAL customers two flights a day rather than one from the west coast; Smart miove IMHO.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:40 am

EWR-AKL is just 40miles further the LAX-SIN. Interesting.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:08 am

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EWR-AKL is just 40miles further the LAX-SIN. Interesting.


Wonder how much more winds would be in effect on EWR-AKL vs LAX-SIN? LAX-SIN being more straight line, we're as EVR-AKL would be dual hemispheres.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:28 am

As previously mentioned in last thread CZ to send 789 to AKL for NW18/19, replacing A330

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-in-nw18/
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:35 am

zkncj wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
EWR-AKL is just 40miles further the LAX-SIN. Interesting.


Wonder how much more winds would be in effect on EWR-AKL vs LAX-SIN? LAX-SIN being more straight line, we're as EVR-AKL would be dual hemispheres.



I think the winds are typically stronger East to west than North to South. AKL-LAX is 12- hrs return is 12.45 where a route like NRT-LAX is about 9.5 while The return is about 11.

AKL-ORD is blocked at 15hrs return at 16.20, be interesting to see what the actual times will be, SIN-LAX can be as low as about 15.5 but return can be over 18hrs.

DFW-SYD is blocked around 16.55 while SYD-DFW is around 15.25 as well.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:37 am

Does anyone know why todays NZ175/176 AKL-PER was cancelled?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:45 am

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3C will start 36x weekly AKL - PPQ flights on 20 August 2018.

Surely that's 18 flights a week each way, no? The schedule I saw was between 2-3 flights each way per day.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:13 am

DavidByrne wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
3C will start 36x weekly AKL - PPQ flights on 20 August 2018.

Surely that's 18 flights a week each way, no? The schedule I saw was between 2-3 flights each way per day.

Sorry, yes - should've worded it better. It's 3x daily flights each way, per weekday. In the weekends, it's either 1x or 2x daily flights each way.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:07 pm

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Does anyone know why todays NZ175/176 AKL-PER was cancelled?


I suspect with ZK-OKI not quite ready to go into service, a crunch point with 787 engines may have developed in the first part of the week. A drive by the Maintence facility tells a story....

No doubt ZK-OKI and ZK-OKT will provide substantial bandwidth over the next 12 months to assist the airline, which finds itself in a very difficult position.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:01 pm

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Does anyone know why todays NZ175/176 AKL-PER was cancelled?


It’s due to NZJ being on the ground in AKL with engine issues
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:18 pm

NZ6 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Does anyone know why todays NZ175/176 AKL-PER was cancelled?


It’s due to NZJ being on the ground in AKL with engine issues

For NZ management, the knee-jerk response must surely be to never deal with RR again.

But the knee-jerk response might not be the correct one, if RR have identified and openly communicated just what went wrong with their systems and processes that allowed this massive design failure to occur, and what they've put in place to ensure such events won't be repeated in the future.

I wonder if such communication from RR has been received.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:33 pm

Qantas16 wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
3C will start 36x weekly AKL - PPQ flights on 20 August 2018.

3C says "We think the route has a huge amount of potential."

Some key aspects of the deal are:

- $50,000 in marketing investment
- Free terminal lease for year one
- Discounts on operating charges

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12081615.

I hope this new service works out better than NZ's prior one.

Cheers,

C.


I love it "We think the route has a huge amount of potential." yet they took 2 months of talks and negotiations over various discounts for 3C to commit. Can't have that much immediate "potential".


I don't think that's fair. Any good business person is going to try and get the best deal for their company and if 3C had rushed in and taken on the route straight away, they would be in a worse financial state than they are now that they have negotiated all these discounts/benefits. I don't think it says the route would have been unprofitable without the deals but it will help improve it for 3C.


You may well be correct however my understanding that these 'discounts' or should we say 'subsidies' were conditional for 3C to pick up the route on the basis that without these it was not economically viable for them. If this is the case then I question the huge amount of potential.

If so; then it's a cracker example of why not to take media comments literally. It's designed to create consumer confidence and positive PR.

I honestly wish them well. I think the region does have potential it's just going to be a challenge of getting passengers to fly ex PPQ at a higher rate than NZ/JQ ex WLG.

zkncj wrote:
About time Air Chats comes up with an new name? they are becoming more Air Auckland, with now AKL-WAG, AKL-WHK, AKL-PPQ, AKL-CHT and maybe soon AKL-NLK.


I couldn't agree more with this. I'm unsure about the brand awareness or where the consumer confidence is at. I wonder how a re-brand will support this.

This is what I associate 3C with.


Even though this is the modern day 3C

 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:41 pm

Gasman wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Does anyone know why todays NZ175/176 AKL-PER was cancelled?


It’s due to NZJ being on the ground in AKL with engine issues

For NZ management, the knee-jerk response must surely be to never deal with RR again.

But the knee-jerk response might not be the correct one, if RR have identified and openly communicated just what went wrong with their systems and processes that allowed this massive design failure to occur, and what they've put in place to ensure such events won't be repeated in the future.

I wonder if such communication from RR has been received.


Sometimes you wonder who the customer is.....

Sadly it's not like buying a second hand car. There really is only GE and RR for the modern day heavies and more often than not it's the plane manufactures working more directly with the engine manufactures for optimal performance.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:55 pm

Gasman wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Does anyone know why todays NZ175/176 AKL-PER was cancelled?


It’s due to NZJ being on the ground in AKL with engine issues

For NZ management, the knee-jerk response must surely be to never deal with RR again.

But the knee-jerk response might not be the correct one, if RR have identified and openly communicated just what went wrong with their systems and processes that allowed this massive design failure to occur, and what they've put in place to ensure such events won't be repeated in the future.

I wonder if such communication from RR has been received.

There was a recent report in which NZ management expressed strong approval for of the way the relationship with RR had been over the engine issues. Contrary to A- Net speculation FWIW.

It didn’t sound at all as if a knee-jerk response was even considered. Given there are only two suppliers of large engines I’d think that no carrier could afford to alienate themselves from one of them.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:44 am

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It didn’t sound at all as if a knee-jerk response was even considered. Given there are only two suppliers of large engines I’d think that no carrier could afford to alienate themselves from one of them.

Agreed. However both the Trent 900 and Trent 1000 were released onto the market undercooked, the manifestations of which didn't become apparent (at least in the 900's case) until spectacular inflight failures occurred. You would hope - that RR at the very least have taken steps with the consumer to restore confidence in their design and testing process.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:48 am

DavidByrne wrote:
Gasman wrote:
NZ6 wrote:

It’s due to NZJ being on the ground in AKL with engine issues

For NZ management, the knee-jerk response must surely be to never deal with RR again.

But the knee-jerk response might not be the correct one, if RR have identified and openly communicated just what went wrong with their systems and processes that allowed this massive design failure to occur, and what they've put in place to ensure such events won't be repeated in the future.

I wonder if such communication from RR has been received.

There was a recent report in which NZ management expressed strong approval for of the way the relationship with RR had been over the engine issues. Contrary to A- Net speculation FWIW.

It didn’t sound at all as if a knee-jerk response was even considered. Given there are only two suppliers of large engines I’d think that no carrier could afford to alienate themselves from one of them.


That was during the investor day presentation I believe and you've hit the nail on the head.

Let's not forget Airbus also had engine issues with the A380
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:00 am

An interesting development in the regional aviation space:

Winston Peters says he believes the state should subsidise regional airports, which is in tune with his pre-election support for an industry proposal that the Government spend $32 million to upgrade 12 regional airports. But Peters, currently Acting Prime Minister was also quick to point out that he was not speaking in the name of the Government.

See: https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/343 ... t-spending.

I'm still holding out hope for CHT's upgrade and 3C 737's!

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Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:06 am

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About time Air Chats comes up with an new name? they are becoming more Air Auckland ...

You do realize that Air Auckland already exists, right? Flight Hauraki recently re-branded to that name.

See: https://www.facebook.com/Air.Auckland/.

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Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:45 am

planemanofnz wrote:
An interesting development in the regional aviation space:

Winston Peters says he believes the state should subsidise regional airports, which is in tune with his pre-election support for an industry proposal that the Government spend $32 million to upgrade 12 regional airports. But Peters, currently Acting Prime Minister was also quick to point out that he was not speaking in the name of the Government.

See: https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/343 ... t-spending.

I'm still holding out hope for CHT's upgrade and 3C 737's!

Cheers,

C.


Where would they use them?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:48 am

NZ6 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
An interesting development in the regional aviation space:

Winston Peters says he believes the state should subsidise regional airports, which is in tune with his pre-election support for an industry proposal that the Government spend $32 million to upgrade 12 regional airports. But Peters, currently Acting Prime Minister was also quick to point out that he was not speaking in the name of the Government.

See: https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/343 ... t-spending.

I'm still holding out hope for CHT's upgrade and 3C 737's!

Cheers,

C.


Where would they use them?

CHT.

Air Chathams plans to introduce a Boeing 737 to this route provided the government confirms the additional funding required to upgrade the existing airport. There is a lot of growth in the chilled seafood market and a larger craft means a lower cost per kilogram which will increase potential for margins on wet fish species and allow that market to grow similar to how live crayfish did in the nineties ...

See (as one of just multiple sources on this): https://www.waterfordpress.co.nz/business/air-chathams/.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:14 am

planemanofnz wrote:
zkncj wrote:
About time Air Chats comes up with an new name? they are becoming more Air Auckland ...

You do realize that Air Auckland already exists, right? Flight Hauraki recently re-branded to that name.


I don't believe they were necessarily suggesting that name, just merely using it to point out an observation.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:54 am

planemanofnz wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
An interesting development in the regional aviation space:

Winston Peters says he believes the state should subsidise regional airports, which is in tune with his pre-election support for an industry proposal that the Government spend $32 million to upgrade 12 regional airports. But Peters, currently Acting Prime Minister was also quick to point out that he was not speaking in the name of the Government.

See: https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/343 ... t-spending.

I'm still holding out hope for CHT's upgrade and 3C 737's!

Cheers,

C.


Where would they use them?

CHT.

Air Chathams plans to introduce a Boeing 737 to this route provided the government confirms the additional funding required to upgrade the existing airport. There is a lot of growth in the chilled seafood market and a larger craft means a lower cost per kilogram which will increase potential for margins on wet fish species and allow that market to grow similar to how live crayfish did in the nineties ...

See (as one of just multiple sources on this): https://www.waterfordpress.co.nz/business/air-chathams/.

Cheers,

C.


Interesting.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:05 am

China Airlines to fly the 777-300ER on TPE-BNE-AKL from December to February next year.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-03jul18/
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:38 am

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China Airlines to fly the 777-300ER on TPE-BNE-AKL from December to February next year.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-03jul18/

To be expected, considering they previously usually upgraded AKL to a 744 over NW.

This is actually a product downgrade for Y, moving to a poorer 3-4-3 777 configuration.

Interestingly, two points can be inferred from this latest NW schedule update from CI:

1. CHC definitely seems to have been cancelled - otherwise the MEL tag would show?
2. AKL seems to not be getting a non-stop flight, in retaliation against NZ going to TPE.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:53 am

One flight not showing for NW yet is the seasonal QF PER-AKL, I’m sure this is normally loaded by now? There was talk they might increase frequency and make it year round, will it be back? EK operated on PER-AKL maybe?
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:10 am

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Qantas16 wrote:
China Airlines to fly the 777-300ER on TPE-BNE-AKL from December to February next year.

2. AKL seems to not be getting a non-stop flight, in retaliation against NZ going to TPE.

An airline whose business model is based on "retaliation" will not stay in business long. I assume they did their sums and decided that they'd stick right where they are re AKL.
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:17 am

DavidByrne wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
China Airlines to fly the 777-300ER on TPE-BNE-AKL from December to February next year.

2. AKL seems to not be getting a non-stop flight, in retaliation against NZ going to TPE.

An airline whose business model is based on "retaliation" will not stay in business long. I assume they did their sums and decided that they'd stick right where they are re AKL.


CI said some time ago AKL was difficult from an aircraft utilisation point.

CHC is interesting or lack of, CI have reduced SYD for most of the year, maybe a tag from there again?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:48 am

Qantas will be taking A330's off MEL-AKL of which will be replaced by 737's to use elsewhere through the network due to current pilot issues on the 737 fleet

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... y28zsr6qiq
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:53 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
One flight not showing for NW yet is the seasonal QF PER-AKL, I’m sure this is normally loaded by now? There was talk they might increase frequency and make it year round, will it be back? EK operated on PER-AKL maybe?


I would have expected something announced by now. There was suppose to be announcement about PER-AKL before PER-LHR started by nothing has happened. I wonder if the current spat between Perth Airport and Qantas has something to do with it. If EK were to operate the route they would probably need to adjust their current schedule on the PER end, a 777 would be enough capacity where the A388 too much
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:37 am

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An airline whose business model is based on "retaliation" will not stay in business long.

Every airline does it? For example, NZ did it when JQ entered the domestic market by reducing its prices, and QF and VA did it with each other during their domestic price war in Australia.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:33 am

planemanofnz wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
An airline whose business model is based on "retaliation" will not stay in business long.

Every airline does it? For example, NZ did it when JQ entered the domestic market by reducing its prices, and QF and VA did it with each other during their domestic price war in Australia.

That's called "competition". My view of "retaliation" is that it is somewhat more knee-jerk and malevolent but I don't want to get drawn into another long discussion over the shades of meanings of words, so I'll leave it at that!
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:42 am

qf789 wrote:
I would have expected something announced by now. There was suppose to be announcement about PER-AKL before PER-LHR started by nothing has happened. I wonder if the current spat between Perth Airport and Qantas has something to do with it.

It's surprising, because with NZ's fleet issues over the past while primarily affecting PER over other destinations, QF could've used this as an opportunity to build up a greater presence for itself in the market.

DavidByrne wrote:
My view of "retaliation" is that it is somewhat more knee-jerk and malevolent ...

Well, your so-called "view" is actually incorrect - I suggest you read the Oxford dictionary definition of retaliation, which will inform you that there is no time-related aspect to the definition, as you assert there is.

See: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... etaliation.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:53 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
One flight not showing for NW yet is the seasonal QF PER-AKL, I’m sure this is normally loaded by now? There was talk they might increase frequency and make it year round, will it be back? EK operated on PER-AKL maybe?

Can we read anything into Stats NZ's figures, which state that there has been a 2.9% decline in WA overall visitor arrivals to New Zealand, in the past year? In contrast, VIC was +5.3%, QLD was +2.5% and NSW was +2.0%.

Actually, there's been a gradual decline in WA traffic to New Zealand, from ~110,000 visitor arrivals in the year to May 2014, to ~100,000 in the year to May 2018. Each year has been in decline - no growth spurts whatsoever.

See: https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-r ... d-may-2018.

Looking the other way, there has also been declines, with the amount of New Zealanders going to WA dropping 11.3% between 2016 and 2017. This was in contrast to the rest of Australia (2.0% growth in Kiwi visitors).

See: https://www.tourism.wa.gov.au/Research- ... ics.aspx#/.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:06 pm

Stage one of NSN's new terminal will be open in October - exciting!

See: https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/new ... in-october.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:07 pm

Could NZ follow in QF's footsteps and open a pilot academy?

See: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zea ... t-aviation.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:45 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
My view of "retaliation" is that it is somewhat more knee-jerk and malevolent ...

Well, your so-called "view" is actually incorrect - I suggest you read the Oxford dictionary definition of retaliation, which will inform you that there is no time-related aspect to the definition, as you assert there is.

It wasn't an assertion as such, but a "view" as I said. And the reason I said that I wasn't going to carry the discussion on is that there is a long history on this thread of one or two people holding others to account for the shades of meanings of words they've used here and it's utterly, utterly pointless! Just recall where this started - I suggested that an airline that based its strategy on retaliation wouldn't stay in business long. Just a simple one-liner that most people would understand. Not going to play!
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