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zkncj
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:47 am

With CS100/300 now being fully backed by Airbus, and becoming the A220-100/300.

Could we see them within New Zealand, in the next 5 years with either JQ or NZ?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:12 am

zkncj wrote:
With CS100/300 now being fully backed by Airbus, and becoming the A220-100/300.

Could we see them within New Zealand, in the next 5 years with either JQ or NZ?



It’s still a different type so no. I just can’t see it.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:00 pm

zkncj wrote:
With CS100/300 now being fully backed by Airbus, and becoming the A220-100/300 ... Could we see them within New Zealand, in the next 5 years with either JQ or NZ?

I highly doubt it. It still has a thin operator base, supply-chain issues, and has booked just two new orders in 2018. Airbus’ marketing, procurement and product support systems will benefit the A220, for sure, but IMO, won't be enough to seal the deal for the NZ or QF Groups; it still lacks features like cockpit commonality.

However, I'd love to be proven wrong. I think the A220 could bridge the gap between the props and the A320's - something increasingly relevant as many regional cities are already at 10x daily flights from AKL. Before the NZ - QF deal, I'd also have said that the A220 could've opened up CBR, HBA, NTL, TSV and others.

Aside from NZ and JQ, the only other operators of it to New Zealand would be Pacific Island airlines, and among those, FJ, PX and SB have all already ordered NEO's or MAX's. Meanwhile, NF only got its latest 738 in ~2015, and TN is unlikely to order it, given its move towards Boeing. Perhaps OL might consider it soon?

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:10 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
ZKNCI wrote:
... especially if Singapore does send down a bunch of fighters for training.

Yeah - I didn't realize that the Singaporeans were actually "in talks with the New Zealand Government about setting up a permanent training base at Ōhakea."

See: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105405 ... e-to-hakea.

Cheers,

C.


Interesting. NZ has been involved in singapore military charters to Australia for years.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:17 pm

Is there any confirmation on A350 taking over 789 on TG ops at AKL?

Meanwhile am I the lucky or unlucky punter on the MH A332 in business class KUL-AKL in October? Any reports on the product consistency on the retimed service? How does it compare to the MH A333?

I just returned from the US on NH (third trip in 18 months). 789s were swapped in on KUL-NRT with 77W NRT-IAD and 788 (instead of 789) SEA-NRT given Trent issues. Service was supremely consistent and top notch; crew; attention to detail; food. I wish they would enter HND-AKL.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:28 pm

NZ321 wrote:
NH ... I wish they would enter HND-AKL.

You and me both. Though, within Australasia, further Australian expansion could be ahead of an AKL launch for NH. In an interview with Australian Aviation late last year, NH's GM for Oceania said that SYD was exceeding expectations, and so "ANA was also open to considering further expansion in Australia ... Many of our senior management are really confident on the Australian market right now." Further, officials from WA have been lobbying NH for a TYO - PER service. This is not to say that NH isn't considering AKL though and/or that our officials aren't also lobbying NH. An NH - NZ tie-up could also be an option. Let's wait and see.

See:
- http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... australia/.
- https://www.watoday.com.au/national/wes ... z909l.html.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:36 pm

NZ321 wrote:
Is there any confirmation on A350 taking over 789 on TG ops at AKL?

The TG website is showing the AKL service as reverting to a 789 service from 1 August onward.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:46 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
Is there any confirmation on A350 taking over 789 on TG ops at AKL?

The TG website is showing the AKL service as reverting to a 789 service from 1 August onward.

Cheers,

C.


Seems to be constantly changing - although with the current 789 issues its probably to be expected.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:53 am

planemanofnz wrote:
ZKNCI wrote:
... especially if Singapore does send down a bunch of fighters for training.

Yeah - I didn't realize that the Singaporeans were actually "in talks with the New Zealand Government about setting up a permanent training base at Ōhakea."

See: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105405 ... e-to-hakea.

Cheers,

C.


It was pretty neat having them overhead in Palmy earlier this year (or maybe last one... can't quite remember now :$), so it'd be lovely to have them back.
Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:10 am

FJ plans to use additional widebody capacity generated by its sixth A330 to up-gauge flights to New Zealand which are now operated by 737s - no mention of cities, but I assume that this would be to AKL only. This is interesting, as FJ only recently said that they were seeing some yield pressures in New Zealand. Then again, NZ is seeing double digit growth out of NAN, so I guess that FJ wants to better compete with NZ on things like product offering and cargo capacity.

See: https://blueswandaily.com/planning-on-h ... -capacity/.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:12 am

New Zealand's ambassador to Brazil has said that the idea of flights between the two countries is still only "in its initial phase" - I wonder if LA will beat NZ to it.

See: https://blueswandaily.com/brazil-and-ne ... rism-ties/.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:13 am

NZ has amended its WiFi pricing again, which, IMO was necessary.

See: https://blueswandaily.com/air-new-zeala ... -services/.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:19 am

PPQ is to have an open day on 5 August, in preparation for 3C's new flights there - neat to see.

Several members of the Air Chathams team will be on site for the open day, and visitors will have the opportunity to see the Saab 340 that will soon be flying between Kāpiti and Auckland, with the option to purchase scenic rides of Air Chathams’ DC3.

See: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1807/S ... munity.htm.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:36 am

Is this article saying that VA is set to add even more flights to New Zealand after its split with NZ, over and above what has already been announced?

VA ... "today said it would add thousands more seats as part of a regional expansion later this year."

There's still no word on if/when the Tiger brand will be extended to New Zealand, which many of us believe it should be. That'll be interesting to watch.

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12088610.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:35 am

planemanofnz wrote:
FJ plans to use additional widebody capacity generated by its sixth A330 to up-gauge flights to New Zealand which are now operated by 737s - no mention of cities, but I assume that this would be to AKL only. This is interesting, as FJ only recently said that they were seeing some yield pressures in New Zealand. Then again, NZ is seeing double digit growth out of NAN, so I guess that FJ wants to better compete with NZ on things like product offering and cargo capacity.

See: https://blueswandaily.com/planning-on-h ... -capacity/.

Cheers,

C.


Maybe that means all of the AKL-NAN services are going to the A330? Currently a couple times an a week are already operated by the A330 then the in betweens are the 738.

planemanofnz wrote:
Is this article saying that VA is set to add even more flights to New Zealand after its split with NZ, over and above what has already been announced?

VA ... "today said it would add thousands more seats as part of a regional expansion later this year."

There's still no word on if/when the Tiger brand will be extended to New Zealand, which many of us believe it should be. That'll be interesting to watch.

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12088610.

Cheers,

C.


I did notice while looking at some Australian domestic fares on TT website, there is now an NZD/AUD toggle option...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:36 am

planemanofnz wrote:
FJ plans to use additional widebody capacity generated by its sixth A330 to up-gauge flights to New Zealand which are now operated by 737s - no mention of cities, but I assume that this would be to AKL only. This is interesting, as FJ only recently said that they were seeing some yield pressures in New Zealand. Then again, NZ is seeing double digit growth out of NAN, so I guess that FJ wants to better compete with NZ on things like product offering and cargo capacity.

See: https://blueswandaily.com/planning-on-h ... -capacity/.

Cheers,

C.


Maybe that means all of the AKL-NAN services are going to the A330? Currently a couple times an a week are already operated by the A330 then the in betweens are the 738.

planemanofnz wrote:
Is this article saying that VA is set to add even more flights to New Zealand after its split with NZ, over and above what has already been announced?

VA ... "today said it would add thousands more seats as part of a regional expansion later this year."

There's still no word on if/when the Tiger brand will be extended to New Zealand, which many of us believe it should be. That'll be interesting to watch.

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12088610.

Cheers,

C.


I did notice while looking at some Australian domestic fares on TT website, there is now an NZD/AUD toggle option...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:03 am

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinatio ... -built-yet

First full fly thru of the NPL new terminal, will be well worth the few months delay and will easily solve all the current issues and provide plenty of capacity for growth into the future.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:56 am

NPL8800 wrote:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/nz/105457231/taranakis-25m-new-airport-looks-good--and-it-isnt-even-built-yet

First full fly thru of the NPL new terminal, will be well worth the few months delay and will easily solve all the current issues and provide plenty of capacity for growth into the future.

Wow! I particularly like the bilingual signage, with Maori included. Hopefully NPL will continue to grow, in spite of changes to the all-important oil industry in Taranaki.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:04 pm

Wow, a big boost from MU to AKL! The 77W will replace the 332 for the entire NW season (from 28 October). Last season, it only operated for 6 weeks in January and February. It looks like this 77W will come from MU's LHR service, where AKL's 332 will now be deployed instead.

See: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12jul18/.

This comes on top of CZ boosting its second AKL service and single CHC service to 789 equipment for NW, while in previous years, both had been largely operated by the 788. This represents a 30% boost in seats, 3 tonnes of more cargo, and will see the newer Business Class.

Asian airline upgrades at AKL from NS 18 to NW 18/19 as at 14/08/18:

- CA - daily 789
- CI - daily 77W
- CX - daily 77W and daily 359
- CZ - daily 77W and daily 789
- GS - 1x weekly 332 (XIY)
- HU - 3x weekly 789
- HX - daily 332 (down from last year NW)
- KE - daily 77W (down from last year NW)
- MU - daily 77W
- SQ - daily 388 and daily 77W

Did I miss any?

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:38 pm

In the Australian thread, it's being reported that a VN service to AKL is close to being confirmed, via PHE, with a 321 (I assume a CEO, as VN's NEO's have been delayed until December, at the earliest, and the flights are starting in September). I struggle to see how VN will be able to sustain this - AKL's O&D with PHE would be minimal, surely?

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:33 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
Is this article saying that VA is set to add even more flights to New Zealand after its split with NZ, over and above what has already been announced?

VA ... "today said it would add thousands more seats as part of a regional expansion later this year."

There's still no word on if/when the Tiger brand will be extended to New Zealand, which many of us believe it should be. That'll be interesting to watch.

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12088610.

Cheers,

C.


I see more red ink.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:35 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
In the Australian thread, it's being reported that a VN service to AKL is close to being confirmed, via PHE, with a 321 (I assume a CEO, as VN's NEO's have been delayed until December, at the earliest, and the flights are starting in September). I struggle to see how VN will be able to sustain this - AKL's O&D with PHE would be minimal, surely?

Cheers,

C.


I agree this is entirely odd. However, if it is purely aimed at Vietnam outbound market maybe there is a chance of success. Given their extensive widebody fleet I can't understand why they don't try a direct service, say 3 x weekly.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:38 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
Wow, a big boost from MU to AKL! The 77W will replace the 332 for the entire NW season (from 28 October). Last season, it only operated for 6 weeks in January and February. It looks like this 77W will come from MU's LHR service, where AKL's 332 will now be deployed instead.

See: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12jul18/.

This comes on top of CZ boosting its second AKL service and single CHC service to 789 equipment for NW, while in previous years, both had been largely operated by the 788. This represents a 30% boost in seats, 3 tonnes of more cargo, and will see the newer Business Class.

Asian airline upgrades at AKL from NS 18 to NW 18/19 as at 14/08/18:

- CA - daily 789
- CI - daily 77W
- CX - daily 77W and daily 359
- CZ - daily 77W and daily 789
- GS - 1x weekly 332 (XIY)
- HU - 3x weekly 789
- HX - daily 332 (down from last year NW)
- KE - daily 77W (down from last year NW)
- MU - daily 77W
- SQ - daily 388 and daily 77W

Did I miss any?

Cheers,

C.


Be nice to line this up with all Asian or all international long haul / widebody. Love to see a complete schedule to better understand how AKL will cope with gates / turn around on flights but I guess that's a bit premature at this stage.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:46 pm

To add to Planeman's list, we have (excluding NZ):

- MH - daily 332 (rumors at this end of 333 again at peak season)
- TG - daily 789
- QR - daily 77L
- EK - daily 388, daily 77W
- PR - daily 333
- UA - daily (what equipment?)
- AA - daily 789
- LA - daily 77E (or is it 788?)
- HA - 4 x 332
- TN - 2 x (when does it shift to 789?)
- FJ - ?
- FX - ?
- QF - ? (is Perth back on?)
- JQ - ?

Plus I think we are missing at least 1 Chinese carrier.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:44 pm

NZ321 wrote:
To add to Planeman's list, we have (excluding NZ):

- MH - daily 332 (rumors at this end of 333 again at peak season)
- TG - daily 789
- QR - daily 77L
- EK - daily 388, daily 77W
- PR - daily 333
- UA - daily (what equipment?)
- AA - daily 789
- LA - daily 77E (or is it 788?)
- HA - 4 x 332
- TN - 2 x (when does it shift to 789?)
- FJ - ?
- FX - ?
- QF - ? (is Perth back on?)
- JQ - ?

Plus I think we are missing at least 1 Chinese carrier.


PR is 3 weekly 333
UAis daily 77W
LA not sure talk of those ex SQ 77E’s
HA is 5 weekly 332
TN 3 weekly (789 from NOV 7th)
FJ 12-14weekly (3-4 330 rest 73G/73H includes SUV service 3 weekly
FX weekly MD11
QF 11 daily SYD/MEL/BNE 333/332/73H (nothing on PER loaded yet
JQ SYD/MEL/OOL 5-6 daily 320 (788’s have been through during peak in the past)

3U 3 weekly 332 Chengdu

VN from PHE is very odd.

There will be more changes to come
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:47 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
To add to Planeman's list, we have (excluding NZ):

- MH - daily 332 (rumors at this end of 333 again at peak season)
- TG - daily 789
- QR - daily 77L
- EK - daily 388, daily 77W
- PR - daily 333
- UA - daily (what equipment?)
- AA - daily 789
- LA - daily 77E (or is it 788?)
- HA - 4 x 332
- TN - 2 x (when does it shift to 789?)
- FJ - ?
- FX - ?
- QF - ? (is Perth back on?)
- JQ - ?

Plus I think we are missing at least 1 Chinese carrier.


PR is 3 weekly 333
UAis daily 77W
LA not sure talk of those ex SQ 77E’s
HA is 5 weekly 332
TN 3 weekly (789 from NOV 7th)
FJ 12-14weekly (3-4 330 rest 73G/73H includes SUV service 3 weekly
FX weekly MD11
QF 11 daily SYD/MEL/BNE 333/332/73H (nothing on PER loaded yet
JQ SYD/MEL/OOL 5-6 daily 320 (788’s have been through during peak in the past)

3U 3 weekly 332 Chengdu

VN from PHE is very odd.

There will be more changes to come


GS x2 weekly CKG-AKL
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:25 pm

QF27 SYD-SCL diverted to CHC last night from south of New Zealand. Didn't seem to be on the ground for long so assume this was a medical rather than mechanical?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:24 am

taieridrome wrote:
QF27 SYD-SCL diverted to CHC last night from south of New Zealand. Didn't seem to be on the ground for long so assume this was a medical rather than mechanical?


That or maybe head-winds expected on route? and quick fuel top-up in CHC to be safe?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:55 am

zkncj wrote:
taieridrome wrote:
QF27 SYD-SCL diverted to CHC last night from south of New Zealand. Didn't seem to be on the ground for long so assume this was a medical rather than mechanical?


That or maybe head-winds expected on route? and quick fuel top-up in CHC to be safe?


Wouldn’t have thought so on the SYD-SCL sector. I’d say medical if it diverted from south of NZ.

It has taken some different routes lately I think one day it was north of the north island which is a long way north for it.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:07 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
PER

NZ321 wrote:
Love to see a complete schedule ...

Or, a visual? When you compare AKL's Asian connectivity to PER's - the next biggest metro area within Australasia - the difference is striking, and you can see that we are really punching above our weight (I've included VN's proposed SGN - PHE - AKL flight for completeness). CGK seems to be the biggest gap for us? Borneo too, maybe?

Image

ZK-NBT wrote:
There will be more changes to come

I wonder what these will be. It's interesting that a few Asian carriers show no seasonality in their offering here, when the vast majority do - D7, MH, TG and PR being the primary examples. Could MH and TG beef AKL up to a daily 359 service for NW, while perhaps going back to 4x or 5x weekly for NS on smaller equipment?

NPL8800 wrote:
GS x2 weekly CKG-AKL

Just to be picky - that service actually originates in TSN, with the same plane and flight number as the CKG - AKL segment. I don't know how many passengers they get from TSN for the flight, but TSN is arguably a tier-one city in China, and extremely up-and-coming - it's great they we have a connection to it (albeit indirect).

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:33 am

planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
PER

NZ321 wrote:
Love to see a complete schedule ...

Or, a visual? When you compare AKL's Asian connectivity to PER's - the next biggest metro area within Australasia - the difference is striking, and you can see that we are really punching above our weight (I've included VN's proposed SGN - PHE - AKL flight for completeness). CGK seems to be the biggest gap for us? Borneo too, maybe?

Image

.


Do wonder how well AKL's cheap Asian routes will stay around with fuel prices increasing? surely at some point soon the $500/return fares are going to have to go, unless of course its an state sponsorship airline that is allowed to make an loss.

Often wondered why we don't have an 3x weekly AKL-HKT service? going via BKK can be an pain for an short trip, if we can do DPS surely we can do HKT.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:41 am

zkncj wrote:
Do wonder how well AKL's cheap Asian routes will stay around with fuel prices increasing? surely at some point soon the $500/return fares are going to have to go, unless of course its an state sponsorship airline that is allowed to make an loss.

There are short-term subsidies involved, but mid-long term, yes, it's unclear if they'll survive.

GS is the biggest risk - CTU has tourism potential in its own right, and SZX is a tier-one city.

zkncj wrote:
Often wondered why we don't have an 3x weekly AKL-HKT service? going via BKK can be an pain for an short trip, if we can do DPS surely we can do HKT.

BNE and PER don't have HKT flights either - then again, we do SGN flights, and they don't.

JQ and TG won't do this route, so it'd have to be NZ, and I think they have bigger fish to fry.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:07 am

planemanofnz wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Often wondered why we don't have an 3x weekly AKL-HKT service? going via BKK can be an pain for an short trip, if we can do DPS surely we can do HKT.

BNE and PER don't have HKT flights either - then again, we do SGN flights, and they don't.

JQ and TG won't do this route, so it'd have to be NZ, and I think they have bigger fish to fry.
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There always is the Thai based NokScoot that might be able to make the route work. Although there seems to be an under the table between NZ and SQ never to bring Scoot into the New Zealand market.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:43 am

zkncj wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Often wondered why we don't have an 3x weekly AKL-HKT service? going via BKK can be an pain for an short trip, if we can do DPS surely we can do HKT.

BNE and PER don't have HKT flights either - then again, we do SGN flights, and they don't.

JQ and TG won't do this route, so it'd have to be NZ, and I think they have bigger fish to fry.
.


There always is the Thai based NokScoot that might be able to make the route work. Although there seems to be an under the table between NZ and SQ never to bring Scoot into the New Zealand market.


Why would SQ bring Scoot here? I doubt there’s any sort of deal I’m just not sure where they would fit?

As to HKT it would be NZ operated and I’d say never say never, NZ/TG do codeshare though so maybe they want to put everyone via BKK?

planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
PER

NZ321 wrote:
Love to see a complete schedule ...

Or, a visual? When you compare AKL's Asian connectivity to PER's - the next biggest metro area within Australasia - the difference is striking, and you can see that we are really punching above our weight (I've included VN's proposed SGN - PHE - AKL flight for completeness). CGK seems to be the biggest gap for us? Borneo too, maybe?

Image

ZK-NBT wrote:
There will be more changes to come

I wonder what these will be. It's interesting that a few Asian carriers show no seasonality in their offering here, when the vast majority do - D7, MH, TG and PR being the primary examples. Could MH and TG beef AKL up to a daily 359 service for NW, while perhaps going back to 4x or 5x weekly for NS on smaller equipment?

NPL8800 wrote:
GS x2 weekly CKG-AKL

Just to be picky - that service actually originates in TSN, with the same plane and flight number as the CKG - AKL segment. I don't know how many passengers they get from TSN for the flight, but TSN is arguably a tier-one city in China, and extremely up-and-coming - it's great they we have a connection to it (albeit indirect).

Cheers,

C.


There are bound to be more tweaks, I think TG/MH need daily year round to be competitive, it’s surprising they don’t do more than daily in NW, but it is about operating costs aswell. Aircraft like the 787/359 make daily year round possible atleast.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:01 am

planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
PER

NZ321 wrote:
Love to see a complete schedule ...

Or, a visual? When you compare AKL's Asian connectivity to PER's - the next biggest metro area within Australasia - the difference is striking, and you can see that we are really punching above our weight (I've included VN's proposed SGN - PHE - AKL flight for completeness). CGK seems to be the biggest gap for us? Borneo too, maybe?

Image



Not really akl punching above its weight. Difference is per serves only the western Australia market whereas akl serves the whole of new Zealand. Due to new Zealands small size many of those akl routes only work by aggregating the whole of new Zealand market which they can do in akl but can't achieve the equivalent in per.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:52 am

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It has taken some different routes lately I think one day it was north of the north island which is a long way north for it.

It was VH-OEG as QF27 on 03 Jul 18 and it got up to 620 knots northeast of North Cape. At first I thought it was one of the Australia to USA flights.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHOE ... /YSSY/SCEL

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:12 am

It's been mentioned on another forum that Air NZ ATR72-600 ZK-MVO (msn 1299) will have a cabin reconfiguration next month to match the rest of the fleet.

ZK-MVO was built for another airline and had different seating and some other differences including an antenna behind the nose wheel. Don't know who it was originally built for but Stobart Air got msn 1295 (EI-FMJ) and msn 1297 (EI-FMK) which are externally the same as ZK-MVO, but different from Stobart's initial ten ATR72-600s.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:37 am

PA515 wrote:
It's been mentioned on another forum that Air NZ ATR72-600 ZK-MVO (msn 1299) will have a cabin reconfiguration next month to match the rest of the fleet.

ZK-MVO was built for another airline and had different seating and some other differences including an antenna behind the nose wheel. Don't know who it was originally built for but Stobart Air got msn 1295 (EI-FMJ) and msn 1297 (EI-FMK) which are externally the same as ZK-MVO, but different from Stobart's initial ten ATR72-600s.

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I read that, so did MVO have an extra row of seats in it? If they can fit more than the 68 I’d have thought NZ might look into it, it’s not like they fly far, or can fly that far.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:05 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
PA515 wrote:
It's been mentioned on another forum that Air NZ ATR72-600 ZK-MVO (msn 1299) will have a cabin reconfiguration next month to match the rest of the fleet.

ZK-MVO was built for another airline and had different seating and some other differences including an antenna behind the nose wheel. Don't know who it was originally built for but Stobart Air got msn 1295 (EI-FMJ) and msn 1297 (EI-FMK) which are externally the same as ZK-MVO, but different from Stobart's initial ten ATR72-600s.

PA515



I read that, so did MVO have an extra row of seats in it? If they can fit more than the 68 I’d have thought NZ might look into it, it’s not like they fly far, or can fly that far.


Believe the 72-600s legal limit is 78, but that requires the forward hold to be reduced. Air France can fit 72 2x2x19 (19rows) on there 72-600s - https://www.airfrance.fr/FR/en/common/guidevoyageur/classeetconfort/plan-cabine-CC-plan-ATR72-600-72.htm

Gone of the days when the 72-500s only had an mere 66 seats.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:28 am

zkncj wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
PER

NZ321 wrote:
Love to see a complete schedule ...

Or, a visual? When you compare AKL's Asian connectivity to PER's - the next biggest metro area within Australasia - the difference is striking, and you can see that we are really punching above our weight (I've included VN's proposed SGN - PHE - AKL flight for completeness). CGK seems to be the biggest gap for us? Borneo too, maybe?

Image

.


Do wonder how well AKL's cheap Asian routes will stay around with fuel prices increasing? surely at some point soon the $500/return fares are going to have to go, unless of course its an state sponsorship airline that is allowed to make an loss.

Often wondered why we don't have an 3x weekly AKL-HKT service? going via BKK can be an pain for an short trip, if we can do DPS surely we can do HKT.


can't see it reducing considering the Asians are out competing the locals and slowly taking over the local population in Auckland
can't wait till they decide to run for office and topple the nitwits that run Auckland council....
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:37 am

planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
What makes you say AKL yields aren’t great?

IMO, AKL has good yields, albeit only seasonally - hence why UA introduced the Polaris product here, and AA upgraded us to a 789 (the same level as its SYD operations at that time).

ZK-NBT wrote:
Or that WLG/CHC would be better despite no competition?

There's an argument that an airline could charge a premium on CHC - LAX to AKL - LAX, and there'd be demand, given the recent growth in the United States - New Zealand corridor?

Then again, CHC's traffic mix will still be the same as it was back in the mid-2000's when NZ tried this - that is, largely leisure-focused, and without the business and hub traffic of AKL.

I don't see AA, DL or NZ launching CHC - North America flights, for this, among various other reasons. Potentially, we might see UA do CHC like CX did, in exchange for JV approval?

Cheers,

C.


the CC did not stipulate that CX must launch CHC...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:14 pm

Kashmon wrote:
... the CC did not stipulate that CX must launch CHC.

No, not officially, you are right. It certainly helped with the case for JV re-approval though, in light of HX's AKL launch. ;)

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:23 pm

a7ala wrote:
Not really akl punching above its weight. Difference is per serves only the western Australia market whereas akl serves the whole of new Zealand. Due to new Zealands small size many of those akl routes only work by aggregating the whole of new Zealand market which they can do in akl but can't achieve the equivalent in per.

IMO, AKL doesn't serve all of New Zealand, hence why both CHC and WLG see Asian services too. Leaving that aside, if you're comparing New Zealand against Western Australia (and not AKL against PER), then isn't it even more impressive? When adding CHC and WLG's contribution, SIN and HKG would be at ~5x daily flights each, while CAN would be at ~3x daily flights. We are doing really well with flights to Asia.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:48 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
PA515 wrote:
It's been mentioned on another forum that Air NZ ATR72-600 ZK-MVO (msn 1299) will have a cabin reconfiguration next month to match the rest of the fleet.

ZK-MVO was built for another airline and had different seating and some other differences including an antenna behind the nose wheel. Don't know who it was originally built for but Stobart Air got msn 1295 (EI-FMJ) and msn 1297 (EI-FMK) which are externally the same as ZK-MVO, but different from Stobart's initial ten ATR72-600s.

PA515



I read that, so did MVO have an extra row of seats in it? If they can fit more than the 68 I’d have thought NZ might look into it, it’s not like they fly far, or can fly that far.


MVO has 18A/B but was only ever sold as 68 seats. The extra seats could be utilised subject to payload (subloaders etc). The portside galley was replaced by these seats. Also had 29" pitch compared to usual 30".
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:08 pm

Parts are currently arriving at PAE for NZ's next 2 789's (LN749 & 751), LN749 should be loaded in to final assembly sometime next weekend

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:55 am

What about the first A321n? Do we actually have an expected delivery date / entry into service? Are the aircraft loaded into NZ schedules from October?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:56 am

I wonder if NZ might see direct Taiwan service from Starlux? I guess we won't be high up the priority list, but then again who knows?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:05 pm

NZ321 wrote:
What about the first A321n? Do we actually have an expected delivery date / entry into service? Are the aircraft loaded into NZ schedules from October?


Certainly nothing loaded or announced.

NZ321 wrote:
I wonder if NZ might see direct Taiwan service from Starlux? I guess we won't be high up the priority list, but then again who knows?


Don’t no much about them, I wouldn’t think AKL would be to high up the list though . Are they more premium?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:11 am

Air New Zealand is dry-leasing a B77W from fellow Star Alliance member EVA Airways (currently registered in Taiwan as B-16715) to cover B789 downtime. This aircraft is already in Star Alliance livery, meaning that the EVA Airways small logo and Taiwan registrations can be covered up.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... b777-300er

As for the next Dreamliners, are these the two being leased from Air Lease Corporation?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:33 am

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As for the next Dreamliners, are these the two being leased from Air Lease Corporation?

ZK-NZN (L/N 749) will be owned, ZK-NZQ (L/N 751) will be leased from ALC.

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