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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:19 pm

planecane wrote:
morrisond wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
https://twitter.com/airwayslive/status/1016610880182726656

Interesting. Also Airbus states the CSeries (A220) production line will be able to do 50-60 aircraft a month. The deliveries and backlog numbers are expected to change soon.



50-60 PER MONTH? That has me thinking they are really thinking of this as the replacement for the A320 series on Short Haul. I would fully expect to see a A220-500 sooner rather than later to take over the A320 size. With Airbus backing and support I could see these volumes as the A220 should run rings around A320/737 due to it's much lower weight and I'm guessing better Aero.

Then I would see the 320 replacement get bigger as more of a MOM to replace A320 and A330. It's small size would be A321ish like and it's larger sizes approaching A330-200


The two issues I see Airbus might have growing the A220 to replace the A320 are, first of all can the A220 be stretched to A320 or 738 size efficiently with a 2-3 arrangement?

Also, they lose the commonality sales pitch to retain current customers. Assuming the Boeing/Embraer JV will be designing the replacement for the 737 which will be the competitor to the A220 a few years from now, it will be an open competition between the Boeing NSA and the A220 series because neither will share commonality with the current dominant narrowbodies (unless Boeing makes a software configurable cockpit and mimics the 737 control for southwest).

I can't see any reason for the Boeing/Embraer JV other than developing the NSA. If it was just a co-marketing agreement for the E2s there was no reason to do a JV like they did.

Sorry, I can't see the A220 being stretched to replace the A320. I would expect Airbus to develop a new "A320" when it is required (not for a long time yet!).
 
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:20 pm

At least they didn't start it off with A220-800...
 
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:22 pm

planecane wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
https://twitter.com/airwayslive/status/1016610880182726656

Interesting. Also Airbus states the CSeries (A220) production line will be able to do 50-60 aircraft a month. The deliveries and backlog numbers are expected to change soon.


I thought I've seen some impressive marketing spin in my life but the pic in that tweet takes the cake!



They said 50-60 aircraft a year, not per month:

https://airwaysmag.com/industry/the-bom ... rbus-a220/
Currently, the Mobile line is scheduled to manufacture 50-60 A220 aircraft per year. This rate, however, is dependent upon Airbus selling enough aircraft to meet this production rate. To help facilitate the assembly line’s rapid construction, the line will share paint and delivery facilities with the existing A320 line.

The line, scheduled to open in 2019 and deliver in 2020, will complement Airbus’ existing A320 final assembly line in Mobile.
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:32 pm

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Boeing just sped the process along, BBD was not going to make the C series work alone. Remember Quebec had to bail out the program before the Boeing saga, and BBD was already shopping around for a partner (including offering part of the program to Airbus before the Quebec bailout). A healthy and stable program wouldn’t be sold for $1 over a tariff issue involving 75 planes. That’s like saying Airbus needs to sell off half their programs because they may no longer be able to fulfill the Iran order.


Exactly, Polot. The trade dispute with Boeing (which was unfair to Bombardier, in my opinion) only accelerated the process of selling part of the CSeries program. Bombardier alone was not able to make the CSeries work without any assistance (either from Airbus, or, as Bombardier initially sought, from China's Comac).
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:34 pm

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Seems strange in Airbus colors, Airbus didn't design this airplane.


True but they are the majority owner of the program now. Boeing didn't design the 717 either, McDonnell Douglas did.
 
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:36 pm

Seems strange in Airbus colors, Airbus didn't design this airplane.

 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:38 pm

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Of course Airbus was going to rename it - that's what you do when you've bought majority control. A220, A440 -- who cares? One can tell this is a fan site. It's like a bunch of high school boys who've discovered a free porn site.

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Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:39 pm

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Seems strange in Airbus colors, Airbus didn't design this airplane.


It is strange, but looks good at the same time. Kinda like a TU-204 in Boeing colors.
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Re: Airbus A220

Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:49 pm

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I wonder how Boeing will rename the ejets after the merger with Embraer. B616/B636?


Perhaps B 010?
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:50 pm

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I wonder how Boeing will rename the ejets after the merger with Embraer. B616/B636?


Perhaps B 010?


I don't think there'll be a merger between Boeing and Embraer (it is just a JV, nothing more). But if is possible to make possible scenarios:

- The E175-E2 could be renamed as Boeing 712-7;
- The E190 as Boeing 712-8;
- And the E195-E2 as Boeing 712-9.

The reason I chose Boeing 712 was because it'd maintain the numbering structure defined by Boeing in the 1950s (where 7xx models indicate transport airplanes). And it'd be a nod to the smallest Boeing airplane: the 717-200 (which was from McDonnell Douglas, the MD-95).
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:16 pm

O530CarrisPT wrote:
bhill wrote:
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I wonder how Boeing will rename the ejets after the merger with Embraer. B616/B636?


Perhaps B 010?


I don't think there'll be a merger between Boeing and Embraer (it is just a JV, nothing more). But if is possible to make possible scenarios:

- The E175-E2 could be renamed as Boeing 712-7;
- The E190 as Boeing 712-8;
- And the E195-E2 as Boeing 712-9.

The reason I chose Boeing 712 was because it'd maintain the numbering structure defined by Boeing in the 1950s (where 7xx models indicate transport airplanes). And it'd be a nod to the smallest Boeing airplane: the 717-200 (which was from McDonnell Douglas, the MD-95).



Maybe they'll regurgitate their own ipsum and rebrand it the 7E7...
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:45 pm

DarthLobster wrote:
O530CarrisPT wrote:
bhill wrote:

Perhaps B 010?


I don't think there'll be a merger between Boeing and Embraer (it is just a JV, nothing more). But if is possible to make possible scenarios:

- The E175-E2 could be renamed as Boeing 712-7;
- The E190 as Boeing 712-8;
- And the E195-E2 as Boeing 712-9.

The reason I chose Boeing 712 was because it'd maintain the numbering structure defined by Boeing in the 1950s (where 7xx models indicate transport airplanes). And it'd be a nod to the smallest Boeing airplane: the 717-200 (which was from McDonnell Douglas, the MD-95).



Maybe they'll regurgitate their own ipsum and rebrand it the 7E7...

Eventually Boeing will run out of numbers, after the 797, then the best option would be to use letters 7A7,7B7...... all the way to 7Z7
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:49 pm

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Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:55 pm

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DarthLobster wrote:

Maybe they'll regurgitate their own ipsum and rebrand it the 7E7...

Eventually Boeing will run out of numbers, after the 797, then the best option would be to use letters 7A7,7B7...... all the way to 7Z7


It could be another alternative. Maybe re-using the 7E7 for the Embraer E2 would be a nice idea if (and only if) a rename happens (7E7-7 for the E175-E2, 7E7-8 for the E190-E2 and 7E7-9 for the E195-E2).
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:59 pm

All of the talk of construction rates - bear in mind that although Airbus is probably more more than capable of figuring out how to ramp up production, the A220 is entirely dependent upon UTC Pratt & Whitney's ability to ramp up production and yet deal with their existing GTF backlog.
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:01 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Of course Airbus was going to rename it - that's what you do when you've bought majority control. A220, A440 -- who cares? One can tell this is a fan site. It's like a bunch of high school boys who've discovered a free porn site.


One of the better descriptions I've seen of some of the A.net demographic.

The average passenger changing planes in Atlanta won't even realize the they haven't gotten aboard the same kind of plane they just flew the first leg of their trip on. (88, 90, 717 3-2 seating) They won't know it's name or manufacturer until the takeoff run starts when they actually put their phone in airplane mode, and see the Bombardebus safety card as they tuck the phone away.

Is the Boelockbus L-2207311 a "Heavy"?
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:43 pm

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Flyglobal wrote:
I think the Name is well Chosen.
The A220 is a reference to the A320 - the smaller brother/ sister. The -100 and -300 represents the CS origin.

Flyglobal

A220 is very well chosen as:
1. Allows growth in the C-series range.
2. Left A200 and A210 open for the future (MRJ?, Turboprops?)
3. As you note implies a smaller A320
4. Growth models (Turboprops, next gen C-series).

Lightsaber

I personally would have prefer them to name it A3C1 and A3C3 instead but A220 is also nice
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:50 pm

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Am I the only one to think that A220 is not an attractive name?
First, why choose a smaller number than Airbus current numbers? Usually, the more modern the aircraft, the more numbers increase. This is the case at both Airbus and Boeing.

The Cseries is the first real "next gen" narrowbody. It's a powerful marketing argument. CSeries, or Airbus A>399 is powerful. A220, comparing to A320, is weak and not very distinctive. "Just another aircraft", will think the general public.

I may go too far, but I wonder if it augurs well for the whole program at airbus...


What makes it a next generation aircraft? It’s just another tube and wings two engine narrowbody. The only real advantage it would have would be some newer systems and a carbon wing but it doesn’t seem to take huge advanatage of the later compared to the wings on the A320neo and 737.

It competed against those two programs for almost a decade now and no one found it to be a compelling generation ahead. Are they missing something?


I thought it was the first narrowbody aircraft with composite parts, a la 787/A350. And I thought it has a better fuel efficiency than NEO / MAX. It would be interesting to compare CS300 & A319neo fuel efficiency, but we are still not sure if there will be an A319neo in pax commercial service ever...

Anyway, the fact that the Cseries is not (yet) successful does not mean it is not a next generation aircraft!

SSJ have some composite too, didn't they?
And I don't think a smaller number matters a lot here as it's a smaller aircraft. Like you won't think 737 is better than A320 just because 737's number is larger, won't you
 
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:52 pm

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LoganTheBogan wrote:
https://twitter.com/airwayslive/status/1016610880182726656

Interesting. Also Airbus states the CSeries (A220) production line will be able to do 50-60 aircraft a month. The deliveries and backlog numbers are expected to change soon.



50-60 PER MONTH? That has me thinking they are really thinking of this as the replacement for the A320 series on Short Haul. I would fully expect to see a A220-500 sooner rather than later to take over the A320 size. With Airbus backing and support I could see these volumes as the A220 should run rings around A320/737 due to it's much lower weight and I'm guessing better Aero.

Then I would see the 320 replacement get bigger as more of a MOM to replace A320 and A330. It's small size would be A321ish like and it's larger sizes approaching A330-200

See other replies, that's a misquote
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:53 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Captain77W wrote:
DarthLobster wrote:


Maybe they'll regurgitate their own ipsum and rebrand it the 7E7...

Eventually Boeing will run out of numbers, after the 797, then the best option would be to use letters 7A7,7B7...... all the way to 7Z7


Well one option would be to revive the 2707 since it was never built...and start a 2000-series i.e. 2707, then 2717, 2727, 2737, etc.

27xx was supposed to be for supersonic
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:54 pm

Now that Airbus has rebranded the CSeries as the A220, I wonder what the builders plate will reflect? Especially on aircraft built prior to the rebrand.
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:57 pm

Captain77W wrote:
DarthLobster wrote:
O530CarrisPT wrote:

I don't think there'll be a merger between Boeing and Embraer (it is just a JV, nothing more). But if is possible to make possible scenarios:

- The E175-E2 could be renamed as Boeing 712-7;
- The E190 as Boeing 712-8;
- And the E195-E2 as Boeing 712-9.

The reason I chose Boeing 712 was because it'd maintain the numbering structure defined by Boeing in the 1950s (where 7xx models indicate transport airplanes). And it'd be a nod to the smallest Boeing airplane: the 717-200 (which was from McDonnell Douglas, the MD-95).



Maybe they'll regurgitate their own ipsum and rebrand it the 7E7...

Eventually Boeing will run out of numbers, after the 797, then the best option would be to use letters 7A7,7B7...... all the way to 7Z7


Well one option would be to revive the 2707 since it was never built...and start a 2000-series i.e. 2707, then 2717, 2727, 2737, etc.
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:08 pm

Waterbomber wrote:
I think that Airbus nailed the branding. Well done, and in time for Farnborough. Hope to see you next week Babybus.

500-600 aircraft per year is an amazing production capacity. I hope to see a major ramp-up to full production capacity so that this great aircraft becomes commonplace.
The A223 should sell like hot cakes now. Lessors should flock like vultures, with SUH taking the lead.
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B6 officially announced a 60+60 order. First deliveries in 2020:
https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/07/10/jetblue-orders-60-airbus-a220-300-aircraft-to-replace-the-embraer-190-fleet/

And also converting previous A320neo order to A321neo:
"As part of the agreement, JetBlue has also reshaped its Airbus orderbook, including converting its order for 25 A320neos to the A321neo and adjusting the delivery schedule."

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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:11 pm

I hope someone asks Airbus if they're even thinking about the CS500.
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:14 pm

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I hope someone asks Airbus if they're even thinking about the CS500.


I would love to see a CS500 or well now A220-500
 
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:36 pm

That’s cute A220.
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:39 pm

Such a beautiful aircraft , looks amazing
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:45 pm

LupineChemist wrote:
Yeah, Airbus has a bit of a mess going with -X00 for the widebodies and A318-321 for the narrow bodies.

Regardless, I think CS1 becoming A219 would make a lot more sense and an eventual CS5 becoming the A221 would make a lot of sense, too.

It looks like Airbus is trying to end that anomalous practice with the A220-100/300.
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:24 am

what will happen to planes already in service? Will the safety cards/airline and booking websites be updated to reflect the change?
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:35 am

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TurboJet707 wrote:
ro1960 wrote:


And not a single word about the Bombardier heritage. It reads like Airbus developed the plane themselves, and as if the 'A220' was suddenly just there, like magic.


Read again or just read it, it's all there in the second paragraph.


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Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:35 am

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Now that Airbus has rebranded the CSeries as the A220, I wonder what the builders plate will reflect? Especially on aircraft built prior to the rebrand.


On the built frames, probably CSXXX. On the new, A220XXX. Same as when the DC-9-80 became the MD-80.
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cathay747 wrote:
Now that Airbus has rebranded the CSeries as the A220, I wonder what the builders plate will reflect? Especially on aircraft built prior to the rebrand.


On the built frames, probably CSXXX. On the new, A220XXX. Same as when the DC-9-80 became the MD-80.


Well every MD-81, MD-82 and MD-83 was certified as DC-9-81/82/83... the MD-87 was the first to be certified as such...
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SPREE34 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Now that Airbus has rebranded the CSeries as the A220, I wonder what the builders plate will reflect? Especially on aircraft built prior to the rebrand.


On the built frames, probably CSXXX. On the new, A220XXX. Same as when the DC-9-80 became the MD-80.


The type certificate would have to be changed.

northstardc4m wrote:
Well every MD-81, MD-82 and MD-83 was certified as DC-9-81/82/83... the MD-87 was the first to be certified as such...


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Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:55 am

Remember the plane is officially certified as the BD-500-1A10 and -1A11, not CS100 and CS300. Airbus might not bother changing that.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:18 am

Not that it wasn't already dead, but the A220-300 just sealed the A319NEO's fate.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:38 am

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Not that it wasn't already dead, but the A220-300 just sealed the A319NEO's fate.


It still might be useful in special roles that take advantage of its range.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:56 am

The Cseries name sounded better IMO. This is definitely going to take time getting used to.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:16 am

It was only a few months ago this A220 had a 220% tariff against it. :spin:
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:38 am

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Not that it wasn't already dead, but the A220-300 just sealed the A319NEO's fate.


It still might be useful in special roles that take advantage of its range.


True. I'm not too familiar with the A319NEO (previously?)planned routes.

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It was only a few months ago this A220 had a 220% tariff against it. :spin:


:lol:
 
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It was only a few months ago this A220 had a 220% tariff against it. :spin:


:rotfl:
:lol:

I wonder if that is where the name came from.

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Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:42 am

How many times has an aircraft (airliner or otherwise) been developed/manufactured by one company, flew for a while under its original name, then had the name/brand completely changed without any kind of modifications being made? The only one I can think of is the MD-95->717, but IIRC the first plane in airline service was under Boeing branding as the 717. The DC-10 was changed to the MD-10, but revived an updated cockpit.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:43 am

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LockheedBBD wrote:
It was only a few months ago this A220 had a 220% tariff against it. :spin:


:rotfl:
:lol:

I wonder if that is where the name came from.

Lightsaber


That would be hilarious. Talk about flipping the bird. :lol: :rotfl:
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:13 am

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The only one I can think of is the MD-95->717, but IIRC the first plane in airline service was under Boeing branding as the 717. The DC-10 was changed to the MD-10, but revived an updated cockpit.


Boeing and MDD merged before the MD-95 even entered production, and it's suggested that Boeing did make some significant changes to the design as part of their decision to proceed with the project.

The MD-10 is an individual change-of-model for DC-10s that receive the upgraded cockpit, not a re-designation of all DC-10s.

Polot wrote:
Remember the plane is officially certified as the BD-500-1A10 and -1A11, not CS100 and CS300. Airbus might not bother changing that.


Bingo. There'd be something cute about that, similar to how a lot of Dash-8 models kept the "DHC-8-nnn" model numbers well into Bombardier's ownership.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:32 am

It looks great and in my opinion looks like a tiny A350.
 
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:33 am

NYPECO wrote:
Seems strange in Airbus colors, Airbus didn't design this airplane.



No, Airbus didn’t design it, but you have to admit it does seem to look like a design Airbus designers could’ve come up with. In other words, the A220-100/300 fits nicely in the Airbus family.
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:58 am

N415XJ wrote:
How many times has an aircraft (airliner or otherwise) been developed/manufactured by one company, flew for a while under its original name, then had the name/brand completely changed without any kind of modifications being made? The only one I can think of is the MD-95->717, but IIRC the first plane in airline service was under Boeing branding as the 717. The DC-10 was changed to the MD-10, but revived an updated cockpit.


How about the BAe146 / ARJ?

Anyway, this thread is a textbook example of what matters most to the clientele of Airliners.net: The freaking marketing name / logo / branding. 4 pages of replies and it's all talk about a couple of numbers/letters. There is only about 1 person who realizes this plane is actually the BD-500-1A10 / 11, everything else is just marketing for the inflight magazine.
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:08 am

Am I the only one who thinks “A220-300” and “A320-200” is REALLY confusing?
 
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:57 am

frigatebird wrote:
it looks unnecessary. On the A330neo it looks plain silly IMO.


Please don't look at the new Beluga then :rotfl:
 
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:35 am

KingOrGod wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
it looks unnecessary. On the A330neo it looks plain silly IMO.


Please don't look at the new Beluga then :rotfl:

Ah, but that's not a mask but a dolphin smile! :D Looks kinda cute :P

Slug71 wrote:
Not that it wasn't already dead, but the A220-300 just sealed the A319NEO's fate.

Well not totally dead, a few months ago there was an UFO order for 20 A319neo's, and a conversion of 4x A320neo to A319neo. Probably the same airline, most likely Chinese.
But I agree Airbus probably won't be putting much effort in selling A319neo's anymore. It will follow the footsteps of the A318 and 737-600.
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Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:51 am

Somebody should start an A220 orders thread, ifther eisn't one yet.
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