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Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:56 am

It seems that TG is close to placing an order for 23 aircraft to replace some of the older aircraft in the fleet (read: 747s) subject to cabinet approval. I've seen differing reports claiming that the 23 aircraft are all widebodies, but Reuters says that it's 13 widebodies and 10 narrowbodies for Thai Smile.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/thai-airw ... KL4N1U72LM

So what do we think then? Given TG's propensity for complicated fleets I will be disappointed if this order doesn't comprise 737s 787s, 777Xs, A320neos, A330neos and A350s. Realistically I think it will be a few 789s and a few A359s and A35Ks, both types are established so no harm in picking both.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:13 am

As usual politics are involved in this order. *sighs*
Hence the half Airbus and hald Boeing order.

Personally the I would think they would order 10/11 A350s with a combination of 13/12 Boeing 787s(-8/-9) since the A350s are more expensive than the 787s.
A330neo? Guessing a 15% chance of them ordering since they already have a bunch of new A350s and 787s
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:16 am

MrHMSH wrote:
I've seen differing reports claiming that the 23 aircraft are all widebodies, but Reuters says that it's 13 widebodies and 10 narrowbodies for Thai Smile. .


Thought so too
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:19 am

:lol: Given the Thai fleet craziness I expect a 77X order
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:22 am

As it is Thai we're talking about....a split order is highly likely ;)
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:27 am

The 777-200 fleet is on the way out with two already with the scrappers. The next oldest subfleets are the 747-400s and 777-300s. The latter are being used on regional routes, so will have high cycles and therefore maybe the next to be axed.
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:03 am

Indeed -like some are pointing out here- TG's fleet is perhaps 'complicated' and very mixed; but for an airline buff this should be a good thing, no? I guess most of you are bean counters then and not enthusiasts at the end of the day...?
I personally love flying TG, not only because of their excellent service and lovely colourful interiors (makes such a dramatic and welcome change from the usual institutional and boring grey and blue!), but also because of their very diverse fleet.
...keeping fingers crossed for a split order of multiple variants, with multiple cabin configurations and engine choice! :rotfl:
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:05 am

It's TG, so split order is almost a certainty.

To go nuts, I am guessing 4 777x, 2 more 789, 5 A339neo, and 2 A35K.

NB should be 10x A320neo for Thai Smile. They can certainly go A321XLR, though.

Actually, 10x A223 would be nice :white:
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:37 am

na wrote:
The 777-200 fleet is on the way out with two already with the scrappers. The next oldest subfleets are the 747-400s and 777-300s. The latter are being used on regional routes, so will have high cycles and therefore maybe the next to be axed.

Not sure if TG will be receiving aircraft from lessors the next few years, but if the 772/773 and 744 fleet is to be retired, they need more than 13 widebody aircraft.
As a 772/773 replacement you'd expect a 787-9/10 order, As 744 replacement the A35K would be most logical. But I don't totally rule out the 777-9 either, although this would be a surprise.
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:25 pm

I hope for the following: 2 A380, 5 A350-1000 and as its TG 4 A359ULR and then 2 B789
for narrowbody it should be A321NEO
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:51 pm

Hey guys,
I've always expected Thai to eventually order 777Xs, but maybe not just yet.
I agree that more A350s and 787s are likely, with an outside chance of a couple of A380s or even A330neos. Thai has been one of the longest users of Airbus wide-bodied two jets on short haul routes, and I can see that continuing with A330neos replacing A330ceos which in turn replaced A300s (plus a couple of A310s).
As for the narrow-body order, I would expect it to be additional A32Xneos and/or A22Xs. Highly unlikely to be MAXs or E2s. I have never heard Thai mentioned as a potential CSeries customer before now, but having travelled around Thailand on Thai domestic flights, I can imagine how the A220 just might be useful for the airline domestically and regionally.
I guess the order might be a Farnborough announcement?
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:09 pm

No more A380 is my pick. Don't get me wrong, I think the A380 has found its niche at TG but I don't think they are hunting for additional units. So a further order would be for replacement but not just yet.

As to the actual order who knows? More 789? Indeed, why did they order the 789? They only have 2 at present which they have seen in recent months is an odd ball fleet that then causes issues on utilization when an aircraft is out of ops (they have been burnt by the Trent debacle). So, perhaps it's likely to be 77X to replace 77W which would then be placed on regional routes (mind you a hell of a lot of airplane for short haul flying) or 35K (same as above), or perhaps most likely a large 330 Neo order.
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:52 pm

Pepper456 wrote:
I hope A350 and B788/9/10.
When the aircraft arrives they could do LIS-BKK


Who are you targetting to fly LIS-BKK? O&D plus brazilians are enough to fill several widebodies a week?
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:55 pm

The part of the fleet which will be unchanged consists of (and the Business Class seats)
15 A330-300 (of which the first one has just been refitted with an excellent new onboard product, rivalling most airlines long haul offering!) https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29953079-post16.html
(new with Thompson Vantage seats)
12 A350-900 (Stelia Solstys seats)
6 A380-800 (Stelia Solstys seats)
14 777-300ER (Stelia Solstys seats)
6 787-8 (BE Aerospace / Rockwell Collins Parallel Diamond)
2 787-9 (Zodiac Cirrus seats)

To be replaced soon:
8 747-400
6 777-200
6 777-300

To be replaced in the coming years (?)
6 777-200ER Thai promised 2016 they would be refitted 2017, and 2017 they said that would happen 2018. I'm not sure it will happen at all.

________

And now that: My armchair CEO view on that topic.
- first 13 widebodies won't be enough to replace these fleets completely.
- 787-10 would be ideal to replace the 777-300 on those short routes.
- 350-1000 to replace the 747. Could use them to upgrade 359 routes and use 2 daily 359 to replace a 744. (for example to Munich, always crowded, that route)
- I would use the 777-200ER on regional routes without any refit for the upcoming years and therefore replace them on international routes with 359

It should be something like 8 781, 10 35K and 5 359, if it is only 13 widebodies it could be 5 359 and 8 35K.

But as we are talking about Thai.... It will be anything but that.
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:59 pm

MaxiAir wrote:
The part of the fleet which will be unchanged consists of (and the Business Class seats)
15 A330-300 (of which the first one has just been refitted with an excellent new onboard product, rivalling most airlines long haul offering!) https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29953079-post16.html
(new with Thompson Vantage seats)

Can someone tell me the registration of this aircraft?
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:11 pm

TheEuphorian wrote:
MaxiAir wrote:
The part of the fleet which will be unchanged consists of (and the Business Class seats)
15 A330-300 (of which the first one has just been refitted with an excellent new onboard product, rivalling most airlines long haul offering!) https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29953079-post16.html
(new with Thompson Vantage seats)

Can someone tell me the registration of this aircraft?


HS-TEN


Edit: HS-TEO is already in for the refit.
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:46 pm

Hard not to feel that RR will come out of this well. Thai are one of only two airlines in the world to order and operate every version of the Trent - 500, 700, 800, 900, 1000, XWB.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:47 pm

PM wrote:
Hard not to feel that RR will come out of this well. Thai are one of only two airlines in the world to order and operate every version of the Trent - 500, 700, 800, 900, 1000, XWB.

Oh all right, all right. Forgot about the 7000!
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:31 pm

Good to see them growing and competing against the huge competition and subsequent low yields they face at BKK.
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:22 pm

My guess is A35K/A359 for the 747/77E replacements and the 787-10 for the vanilla 772/773 replacements in regional.
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:17 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
Pepper456 wrote:
I hope A350 and B788/9/10.
When the aircraft arrives they could do LIS-BKK


Who are you targetting to fly LIS-BKK? O&D plus brazilians are enough to fill several widebodies a week?

JD flies LIS-PEK and has codeshare with TP to take brasilians to Asia directly from LIS.
TP and TG are members of Star Alliance, so brazilians plus portuguese people can make this route a sucess.
TP does Brazil-LIS and TG takes them to BKK.
For start, a 3x week...
They already fly to MAD and BCN so the next step is that
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:19 pm

Pepper456 wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
Pepper456 wrote:
I hope A350 and B788/9/10.
When the aircraft arrives they could do LIS-BKK


Who are you targetting to fly LIS-BKK? O&D plus brazilians are enough to fill several widebodies a week?

JD flies LIS-PEK and has codeshare with TP to take brasilians to Asia directly from LIS.
TP and TG are members of Star Alliance, so brazilians plus portuguese people can make this route a sucess.
TP does Brazil-LIS and TG takes them to BKK.
For start, a 3x week...
They already fly to MAD and BCN so the next step is that

anna.aero said another day that CX LIS-HKG what one of the most underserved routes in europe, so the asian market is potential...
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:25 am

2 A380’s, 5 A359’s, 10 78X, 6 789.

2 A380’s allow LHR/CDG/FRA A380 year round they downguage 1 when maintenance is required, they can upgauge MUC or more NRT/KIX.

5 A359’s cover most of the remaining 744’s and can be used increase frequency into Europe/Australia, maybe non stop US flights.

6 789’s add to the odd ball 2 they have for Europe.

10 78X to replace most of the 773/772 fleet regionally with more capacity than the A333.

TG do have a mixed fleet and they could just as easily order A35K, 77X.
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:28 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
5 A359’s cover most of the remaining 744’s and can be used increase frequency into Europe/Australia, maybe non stop US flights.


Why not 5 A35K's to replace the remaining 744's?
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:52 am

Slash787 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
5 A359’s cover most of the remaining 744’s and can be used increase frequency into Europe/Australia, maybe non stop US flights.


Why not 5 A35K's to replace the remaining 744's?


It’s another small sub fleet, not that TG mind this and like I said they could just as easily order A35K and 77X. Personally I think they need to simplify. The only type to be entirely retired in the next few years is the 744.
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:57 am

Lets play ! My gess for those 13 widebodies is :
8 A359, A35K, 78K to replace the 744 until 2020.
2 to 4 A359, A35K, 789 or 78K for 77E replacement or growth.
If not 4, maybe 2 A388 to have a "full" subfleet.

The 747 will be gone. The 77A/3 may not have to be replaced by widebodies on régional routes. Or by some 77E and A333. And the new fleet with both Boeing and Airbus will be based on 787 and A350 with the 77W, A330 and A380 staying for now.
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:06 am

Pepper456 wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
Pepper456 wrote:
I hope A350 and B788/9/10.
When the aircraft arrives they could do LIS-BKK


Who are you targetting to fly LIS-BKK? O&D plus brazilians are enough to fill several widebodies a week?

JD flies LIS-PEK and has codeshare with TP to take brasilians to Asia directly from LIS.
TP and TG are members of Star Alliance, so brazilians plus portuguese people can make this route a sucess.
TP does Brazil-LIS and TG takes them to BKK.
For start, a 3x week...
They already fly to MAD and BCN so the next step is that


TG can sustain MAD and BCN due to factors that LIS don't have:
1. Feed from Latin America comes from different countries while LIS is almost Brazil exclusively.
2. BCN and MAD are much larger tourist destinations so some traffic comes the other way (from SE Asia to Spain)

LIS-PEK is different than LIS-BKK as PEK gives access to all of mainland China and maybe even to Korea and Japan, very large markets.
BKK provides acceptable connections to SE Asia region only, much smaller market even including south China
JD is a small airline which serves long haul destinations where there is little or no China competition such as LIS and ZAG.
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:59 pm

What happened to the intention to fly to HAM, MAD and MAN? It was supposed from Q4 this year if I remember correctly.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:09 pm

DLHAM wrote:
What happened to the intention to fly to HAM, MAD and MAN? It was supposed from Q4 this year if I remember correctly.


TG are well known for this kind of thing, DUS was announced and never started, CHC was rumoured for ages, A350’s to SYD were meant to have happened by now although never officially announced. The addition of MAN/HAM and return to MAD is unknown at this stage. Some more smaller long haul aircraft 787’s/359’s might make this more likely going forward but who knows when.
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:29 pm

Hey guys,
I have been reliably informed that Thai wants to keep First Class into Sydney and maintains the 747 on the route for that reason. The A350 is the designated replacement for the 747 into Sydney but as ZK-NBT reports, no official announcement yet as to when....
As a side note, Thai is now the only airline other than Qantas to fly passenger 747s regularly into Sydney. Korean Air occasionally schedules 747s but Qantas and Thai are it.
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:21 am

bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
I have been reliably informed that Thai wants to keep First Class into Sydney and maintains the 747 on the route for that reason. The A350 is the designated replacement for the 747 into Sydney but as ZK-NBT reports, no official announcement yet as to when....


This 'F SYD' thing is a rumour I have only heard here on A.net. It intrigues me none the less - actual demand for F at SYD, or influential person/s make regular visits to SYD?

The current TG A350 don't have F though, so if 'SYD must have F' = true then TG won't be sending A350 anytime soon.

As for the upcoming order and from an Australia perspective, A359 & A35K would be useful - upgauging MEL double daily from A359 to A35K would give ~10% bump in capacity, and replacing 11 * weekly 744 with double daily A359 into SYD would give ~5% bump in capacity. TG is the only full service airline flying BKK-MEL, you would expect them to be doing OK on the route.

This is TG though, you've gotta love 'em. I could see an extra few A380 ordered to replace 744 to MUC & SYD. MUC sounds like it could use it, and EK won't stick with DXB-BKK-SYD A380 forever.
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:51 am

MooLor wrote:
bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
I have been reliably informed that Thai wants to keep First Class into Sydney and maintains the 747 on the route for that reason. The A350 is the designated replacement for the 747 into Sydney but as ZK-NBT reports, no official announcement yet as to when....


This 'F SYD' thing is a rumour I have only heard here on A.net. It intrigues me none the less - actual demand for F at SYD, or influential person/s make regular visits to SYD?

The current TG A350 don't have F though, so if 'SYD must have F' = true then TG won't be sending A350 anytime soon.

As for the upcoming order and from an Australia perspective, A359 & A35K would be useful - upgauging MEL double daily from A359 to A35K would give ~10% bump in capacity, and replacing 11 * weekly 744 with double daily A359 into SYD would give ~5% bump in capacity. TG is the only full service airline flying BKK-MEL, you would expect them to be doing OK on the route.

This is TG though, you've gotta love 'em. I could see an extra few A380 ordered to replace 744 to MUC & SYD. MUC sounds like it could use it, and EK won't stick with DXB-BKK-SYD A380 forever.


I’ve heard the F thing to SYD aswell and they still send it there on the 744. Thing with the A380 to SYD is they want double daily which the 744 doesn’t give either due to it being to big to maintain good yields, the A380 would probably mean a single daily overall.

I guess I can short term see MEL going 77W with SYD getting the A359’s from there, although AKL is said to go 359 aswell so who knows.
 
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Re: Thai Airways expected to order 23 aircraft soon.

Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:08 am

Would the narrow-bodies be for TG proper, or for WE instead? Right now, TG has have one narrow-body (a B734), and that will be withdrawn by September and a codeshare will instead be done with PG (this is to a destination owned by PG).
 
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Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:19 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
I’ve heard the F thing to SYD aswell and they still send it there on the 744. Thing with the A380 to SYD is they want double daily which the 744 doesn’t give either due to it being to big to maintain good yields, the A380 would probably mean a single daily overall.

I guess I can short term see MEL going 77W with SYD getting the A359’s from there, although AKL is said to go 359 aswell so who knows.



Well they could also go A380/A359 or 77W to SYD like they are in high season doing to FRA.
 
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Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:27 pm

I would assume that now all vendors have been frightened by the penalties for handing out brown envelopes, even to the military,
that we might see for the first time see some sensible decision making.

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