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Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:42 am

Pre merger I think NW had a few flights to
The Caribbean and Mexico but did they have any flights at all further south at any time ?


Looked like a giant gap in their route system
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:11 am

Hardly makes sense for them to go Southeast :duck:
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:24 am

Codeshare with Continental via IAH took care of it
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:25 am

Max Q wrote:
Pre merger I think NW had a few flights to
The Caribbean and Mexico but did they have any flights at all further south at any time ?


Looked like a giant gap in their route system


NW flew to LIR in Costa Rica. I don’t believe they did South America.
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:03 am

Northwest never made it down to South America.
Seems that it flew the Caribbean (MEM-MBJ) but don't recall LIR Costa Rica.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:19 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
Northwest never made it down to South America.
Seems that it flew the Caribbean (MEM-MBJ) but don't recall LIR Costa Rica.


I do recall it. They did not go to SJO though. It was in their later years on an A320 from either MSP or DTW, I forget.
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:14 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
Northwest never made it down to South America.
Seems that it flew the Caribbean (MEM-MBJ) but don't recall LIR Costa Rica.


I do recall it. They did not go to SJO though. It was in their later years on an A320 from either MSP or DTW, I forget.


I don't recall that Northwest ever served South America proper, but I do remember that they inherited some Central American & Caribbean routes from their merger with Republic. One market in particular, Grand Cayman, was a popular route. Republic actually inherited Grand Cayman service from Southern Airways. Here is a link to an article about Northwest, Republic, Southern, and OAL service into GCM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Robe ... ne_service
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:11 am

I believe it was MSP-LIR which is still flown seasonly by DL
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:18 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
Northwest never made it down to South America.
Seems that it flew the Caribbean (MEM-MBJ) but don't recall LIR Costa Rica.


NW operated TPA-MBJ as well.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:35 am

This route map from 1987, shows PVR, CUN, MBJ & GCM all served from that sweet MEM hub with the MIA-GCM segment as well - http://www.departedflights.com/NW013187.html
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:06 am

All of the Carribean and further South flying was the result of the RC purchase by NW. Prior to the acquisition of RC NW had absolutely NO points south of MIA in North or South America.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:34 am

They also flew TPA-MBJ, TPA-CUN.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:33 pm

RWA380 wrote:
This route map from 1987, shows PVR, CUN, MBJ & GCM all served from that sweet MEM hub with the MIA-GCM segment as well - http://www.departedflights.com/NW013187.html


So basically most of Northwest flying was in the Northeast... :lol:
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:44 pm

MBJ, CUN, GCM... not part of South America.

https://store.randmcnally.com/south-ame ... l-map.html
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:58 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
MBJ, CUN, GCM... not part of South America.

https://store.randmcnally.com/south-ame ... l-map.html


I was just thinking the same thing...
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:04 pm

Never, ever in South America. The closest a NW plane has ever been there is when the ex-NW, now Delta A330s, registered N8XXNW make their daily rounds to EZE & GRU from ATL.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:45 pm

Their hubs were not in good geographic locations to be a heavy hitter in South America, hence their lack of a presence. Their Caribbean flying was also limited when compared to its peers, while I was growing up in PR they linked SJU to DTW, MSP and MEM mostly on weekends I assume catering to cruise traffic from the Midwest. I want to say DL eliminated SJU service from DTW, for certain out of MSP.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:01 pm

Northwest actually held a bunch of South America authorities to markets like Peru, Panama, Colombia, etc which they used to codeshare with Continental on.

Also back in the 1990s, they applied for a Brazil route themselves but were not selected by the DOT in the route case.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:40 pm

chepos wrote:
Their hubs were not in good geographic locations to be a heavy hitter in South America, hence their lack of a presence. Their Caribbean flying was also limited when compared to its peers, while I was growing up in PR they linked SJU to DTW, MSP and MEM mostly on weekends I assume catering to cruise traffic from the Midwest. I want to say DL eliminated SJU service from DTW, for certain out of MSP.

Northwest is gone, so is TWA, and most recently US Airways, but there were certain very specific Latin American and Caribbean international markets which could have somewhat worked for them then out of MEM, STL, CLT respectively.
The major ones like: CUN, MBJ, AUA, PUJ maybe MEX, SJO..
The odd/niche ones (for those hubs/airlines): PTY, LIM, BOG, yesteryear CCS..
Be reminded that when Northwest, TWA and US airwaya had hubs in MEM, STL and CLT, DL was also flying to Latin America from an airport quite north of MIA albeit with many more connecting opportunities.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:00 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Hardly makes sense for them to go Southeast :duck:


Don't you remember the ads showing the USA map upside down and so Chicago to Florida was in the northwest direction? They used to appear on full page ads in the Chicago Tribune, way back maybe in the 60's. Anyone have a photo of one of those ads? I haven't thought of those ads for decades until your comment brought it to mind, BWIAirport.
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:05 pm

Thibault973 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
This route map from 1987, shows PVR, CUN, MBJ & GCM all served from that sweet MEM hub with the MIA-GCM segment as well - http://www.departedflights.com/NW013187.html


So basically most of Northwest flying was in the Northeast... :lol:


Not really true. With their three hubs in a triangle bracketing the American Midwest (MI, OH, IN, IL, MO, IA, WI, and MN) they were always an airline heavily concentrated in the Midwest. Their first service to NY and the whole Northeast/New England was very late compared to EA, AA, UA, DL, etc.
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:28 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
chepos wrote:
Their hubs were not in good geographic locations to be a heavy hitter in South America, hence their lack of a presence. Their Caribbean flying was also limited when compared to its peers, while I was growing up in PR they linked SJU to DTW, MSP and MEM mostly on weekends I assume catering to cruise traffic from the Midwest. I want to say DL eliminated SJU service from DTW, for certain out of MSP.

Northwest is gone, so is TWA, and most recently US Airways, but there were certain very specific Latin American and Caribbean international markets which could have somewhat worked for them then out of MEM, STL, CLT respectively.
The major ones like: CUN, MBJ, AUA, PUJ maybe MEX, SJO..
The odd/niche ones (for those hubs/airlines): PTY, LIM, BOG, yesteryear CCS..
Be reminded that when Northwest, TWA and US airwaya had hubs in MEM, STL and CLT, DL was also flying to Latin America from an airport quite north of MIA albeit with many more connecting opportunities.


TWA and US had a much larger presence in the Caribbean at least, US dabbled in the Central American region (out of FLL) and South America (GIG and GRU right before the AA merger). TWA even opened up a SJU focus city right before they were purchased by AA. DL enjoyed and still enjoys an extensive network in the region because of the power of the ATL hub.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:39 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Northwest actually held a bunch of South America authorities to markets like Peru, Panama, Colombia, etc which they used to codeshare with Continental on.

Also back in the 1990s, they applied for a Brazil route themselves but were not selected by the DOT in the route case.


Yes - I believe they applied to fly LAX-GRU-GIG - which presumably would have been with a 747-200B. If I recall correctly, this is the case that UAL was selected for, and got LAX-GRU-GIG which they operated with a 747SP for a relatively short while. Am I recalling this correctly?
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:46 pm

spinotter wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Hardly makes sense for them to go Southeast :duck:


Don't you remember the ads showing the USA map upside down and so Chicago to Florida was in the northwest direction? They used to appear on full page ads in the Chicago Tribune, way back maybe in the 60's. Anyone have a photo of one of those ads? I haven't thought of those ads for decades until your comment brought it to mind, BWIAirport.

Far too young for that unfortunately (will be celebrating 21st birthday in 6 months). But those sound hilarious, I'd love to see a picture
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Re: Northwest to South America

Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:11 am

That route map is a mess. lol. But it give you a good idea of NW route structure.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:40 am

:cloudnine: The carrier which until the late 80's was "Northwest Orient" spread the globe from the Far East to Europe, with Three large US hubs, MSP & DTW having well over 500 departures per day, a much envied NRT hub serving at one point 18 destinations, and they forged the Ground-Breaking, First Global Alliance with KLM in the late 90's.

They were not focused on Latin and South America, or really much the Caribbean (to my dismay), but as one poster stated, they were turning their attention to Brazil, and had they been left to continue, instead of rescuing DL and then forfeiting their name :stirthepot: no doubt they would have spread south.
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Re: Northwest to South America

Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:42 am

RWA380 wrote:
This route map from 1987, shows PVR, CUN, MBJ & GCM all served from that sweet MEM hub with the MIA-GCM segment as well - http://www.departedflights.com/NW013187.html

I have a beach towel that looks a lot like that map. 8-)
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Re: Northwest to South America

Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:33 am

I always liked the ‘Northwest Orient’
name, dropping it to just NW was a mistake

Not sure what they were thinking
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Re: Northwest to South America

Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:59 am

RWA380 wrote:
This route map from 1987, shows PVR, CUN, MBJ & GCM all served from that sweet MEM hub with the MIA-GCM segment as well - http://www.departedflights.com/NW013187.html


NW's route maps were always misleading. The showed routes they had the authority to fly, but never served them. I don't think they served all of those MEM destinations other than CUN.
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:46 am

Max Q wrote:
I always liked the ‘Northwest Orient’
name, dropping it to just NW was a mistake

Not sure what they were thinking


Asians consider the word Orient offensive. It evokes colonial rule to them.
 
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Re: Northwest to South America

Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:12 am

Ionosphere wrote:
Max Q wrote:
I always liked the ‘Northwest Orient’
name, dropping it to just NW was a mistake

Not sure what they were thinking


Asians consider the word Orient offensive. It evokes colonial rule to them.



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Re: Northwest to South America

Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:10 pm

I was on one of the first (if not the first) EZE-ATL flights on an ex NWA A330. The loaders in EZE hadn't been trained on the plane so they left behind a bunch of cargo and denied non-revs from being seated in Biz. I was conveniently located in the first row behind an empty biz cabin....

NWA needed DL, NW couldn't fly south of Jamaica and DL had no good way to fly to Asia.

Same goes for the subsequent mergers. PMUA and PMAA were the closest to being true network carriers prior to their respective mergers, but both lacked a good SE or NW USA hub.

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Re: Northwest to South America

Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:15 am

The MEM-GCM route definitely flew and for awhile. Also note it is featured in the movie "The Firm"
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