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BA And The British

Sun Mar 10, 2002 10:29 pm

Why is everyone blaming the British Government for protecting its own airline. Afterall why would they let it go bunkrupt?
George Bush did the same thing.
 
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RE: BA And The British

Sun Mar 10, 2002 10:37 pm

Preaching around the world to ensure free trade and honest competition and the next week do the contrary (if the shit hits the fan for your own industry) can sometimes provoke some comments ....

keesje

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RE: BA And The British

Sun Mar 10, 2002 10:42 pm

Capitalism and free markets have always been restrained to varying degrees by governments-as to whether that is a good thing, I don't know-would make an interesting conversation.

Hypothetically speaking, I'm not sure the British gov't would allow BA to go under-maybe they would, I guess it depends on the degree to which the population would be inconvenienced, and whether it would be possible for other airlines to satisfy the subsequent surge in demand. But overall, I don't think the party in power would be happy to allow it-the people may vote them out for causing such chaos and misery (not to mention all the unemployment that would result).

Isn't that why Bush decided to help out US steel producers-domestic politics?

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RE: BA And The British

Sun Mar 10, 2002 11:48 pm

Compared to US and some European carriers, the UK goverment has done little to 'protect' BA. And the post sept. 11th the insurance cover will lapse soon, and guess which goverment is lukewarm to an extension or creating an airline mutual scheme?
 
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RE: BA And The British

Sun Mar 10, 2002 11:53 pm

There also is the difference between

** free-listed/ privately owned airlines like all BA, US based, KLM, CX, LH and most smaller ones and

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** government owned/directed airlines like Singapore, Airfrance, Iberia, Alitalia, Aeroflot and so on.

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Mostly they have the newest planes and domestic domination. (politics play are a big role in these areas) .

They are mostly directly or in-directly subsidized as proud flag carriers. Them going bust many times means the government has a problem, the people blame them (e.g. SN).

BA is privately owned, so the goevrnment is limited in protecting it. However Blair and his Socialists are in power now & patriotism isn´t seen as rightwing/primitive anymore ..




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RE: BA And The British

Mon Mar 11, 2002 12:50 am

I would hardly call SIA subsidised by the government. Very early on in the airline's history it was made sufficiently clear to the airline that if they couldn't make it by themselves in the industry, it was their problem and not the government's. SIA has never reported a loss since its seperation from Malaysian Airlines in 1972. The only other airline which can boast a similar record is Southwest, and even they are a budget airline and in a completely different league from SIA. This loss-free record is the reason why SIA can afford to continually renew their fleet with new planes. Absolutely nothing to do with government subsidies of any sort.

I don't see how SIA can have any sort of domestic domination. You can drive from one end of Singapore to the other end in like 40 minutes. If you took a plane it'd take like 40 seconds to get from one end to the other. Singapore from its most eastern point to its most western point is barely more than 40 kilometres. SIA has absolutely no domestic market to fall back on and all of the company's revenue comes from its international routes and customers.
 
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Keesje

Mon Mar 11, 2002 1:20 am

'Blair and his socalists?'
Your Dutch Conservatives, or their equivalent, are probably more left-wing than Blair!
 
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RE: BA And The British

Mon Mar 11, 2002 1:48 am

Blair & the Dutch prime minister are both socialist and I believe even friends ... Labor is a socialist party but whats the problem about that ? Many socialist government in western europe for the past 50 (?) years

Singapore wouldn´t be on the world map as presently without SQ airlines. That is why the government has some very good tax deals & landing rights for them, gave them a great Hub, allows very uncivilized labor (recruitment) situations etc .

Its al possible Singapore is economical succesfull, is needly located between EastAsia & Europe and most of all :

is Definately Not A Democracy ...

But passengers don´t know / want to see this. They just get a great product /service, no question about that !

cheers

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RE: BA And The British

Mon Mar 11, 2002 2:11 am

Not to forget that SIA went into debt as the SG Gov would not give them money to buy 3 Boeing 742s
Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
 
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RE: BA And The British

Mon Mar 11, 2002 2:30 am

you probably don't need to be owned by the government in order to be fed by it. The money AA, DL, UAL, etc got from Bush proves it.

BA does not seem to be financially fed by Westminister. All the parliament does is to make sure that LHR stays with BA. And that's fair enough

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RE: BA And The British

Mon Mar 11, 2002 3:06 am

However Blair and his Socialists are in power now

Lol.Blair is not socialist!More like middle of the way
 
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RE: BA And The British

Mon Mar 11, 2002 3:40 am


An anagram of Tony Blair MP:

I'm Tory Plan B

David/MAN
 
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RE: BA And The British

Mon Mar 11, 2002 3:53 am

LOL David  Smile  Big thumbs up

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