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South American Departure Times

Thu Aug 26, 1999 5:42 am

When flying to Argentina or Brazil, United (and I believe) American fly from the US late in the evening with morning arrivals. The flights then do not depart until late evening to the USA.

Why do they do this and have the planes sit all day? With the time change (granted only a couple of hours), why would they not fly back in the afternoon with a evening arrival in the US? They do this from Australia to Asia, leave Sydney in the afternoon, arrive into Asia in the pm. Fly back to Sydney overnight.

Just seems like a lot of planes sitting everyday.
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RE: South American Departure Times

Thu Aug 26, 1999 6:02 am

I believe that this are two reasons for this. First, most of the international flights are waiting for flights from "spoke" cities to arrive at hubs. For example, in American's case, it has to wait for flights from Los Angeles, Dallas, Salt Lake City, Billings, Detroit, plus cities close to its Miami hub like Orlando and Tampa etc. It could have a flight that leaves in the morning, and arrives in the early evening(letting a connecting flight still be possible). However, that would mean passenges from cities far away would have to take flights into Miami at like 3 in the morning. Not very attractive to passengers, and possibly not enough time to get those passengers in. Also, many of the passengers on the flights into Miami might not be going to South America at all, and so it would be a waste to make the early morning flight just to get the South American flight out earlier.
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RE: Oops

Thu Aug 26, 1999 6:08 am

Oops, rereading Ken4556's post, I realized I mixed things up. I was talking about the trip down, but he was talking about flights back north. Anybody have an explanation?

RE: South American Departure Times

Thu Aug 26, 1999 6:17 am

Most of the flights in South America are centered around one main city for each and other country. As an example, in Brazil international flights are almost all done from Sao Paulo(GRU) or Rio de Janeiro(GIG). As you would expect, not all passengers are coming from these two locations. In fact, they are connecting from different parts of the country. To avoid a passenger night stay at the airport, airlines tend to leave as late as possible so that by that time all connections were made and all passengers are gathered. The same happens on the way back where flights into the country are done in the moring to give a larger margin of time to connect in another flight. Aircrafts are usually towed to a remote location and shut during the day where they are catered and sometimes ran through a low level check to compensate for its complete waste of money while sitting sleeping in the ramp-- prior to departure.


RE: South American Departure Times

Thu Aug 26, 1999 2:47 pm

The main reason we operate almost all "deep South America" flights(Argentina,Brazil,Chile)with late evening departures is simply that southamerican passengers do not like to waste daylight hours flying. We operate 2 flights southbound and 2 northbound nightly to Buenos Aires, Rio, Sao Paolo and Santiago from Miami. EZE southbound departures are 10:15 and 11:15pm, northbound, 9:15 and 10:25pm.GIG south:10:45, 11:45. North: 10:15 and 11:30.GRU south:10:50 and 11:45, etc.AA does operate a third daily frequency to Sao Paolo with an 11:00am dep. south and 10:30am north but it's taken over 4 years of almost empty cabins(25 or 30 passengers "TOTAL" onboard) to now start getting some decent loads.In 1991, shortly after we started Buenos Aires,AA changed one of the northbound take off times to 9:00 or 10:00am. I worked those trips for months and never had more than 20 passengers in coach class.Also, for whatever it's worth, when we land each morning most of the major european carriers are arriving too,so those are "allnighters" also. Cheers. :-)

RE: Where All The Aircraft Are Parked.

Thu Aug 26, 1999 6:26 pm

I don't live there, but I know that in Ezeiza, all the North American aircraft (American 767's/MD-11's) and United's 777's are parked in an area offset from the main airport complex; part of this offset "parking" apron is also where AR's maintenance hangars are located.

Nearer the departure times, the aircraft are towed to their allocated departure gates. Until recently, BA's 744 was also parked here, and towed back to it's gate for the late afternoon departure. Now this is not possible, as this flight BA2267, must operate onwards to Santiago, and return to EZE in time for the London afternoon departure.

Hope that helped.

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