baec777
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Airbus Fleets Question....

Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:25 am

I want to know if all Airbus planes have same problems as the AB6(Airbus300-600R) had since AA587 accident in New York after take off from JFK to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic(12 November, 2001).

I wants to have some travel plans on some carrier that has Airbus from DFW and ending it final in middle east with an Airbus jet as well. Here we have Lufthansa, our only A340 carrier @ DFW. Recently we had Sabena A330, Air France A340, both gone.

Air France will return shortly to DFW mid of next year[2003](I could be wrong on AF).

Please tell me what going on righ now with the details of AA587 and other planes with the problems caused the accident.

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RE: Airbus Fleets Question....

Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:09 am

The tail fin of the A300-600 apparently has a problem, maybe due to damage caused in an earlier flight few years back. As far as i know, other airbus's have the same tail/fin structure like the A300.

I could be wrong though.
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RE: Airbus Fleets Question....

Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:11 pm

Baec777: If your question is: "Do I have to worry because I fly an airbus jet", the answer is: NO.

It really seems to be a problem with that ONE A300-600R and it also may be faulty maintenance.

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RE: Airbus Fleets Question....

Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:50 pm


Tunisair operates three AB6 and no significant incident had been notified !
The AA crash is due to a human factor !
 
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RE: Airbus Fleets Question....

Thu Mar 14, 2002 1:34 am

At the moment it seems like the accident was caused by the pilot overstressing the tailfin as he reacted to the turbulences only with the rudder. Romours are that this is a standard operation procedure at AA, while any airline has a different sop because Airbus has told them that this could overstress the tail. So maybe you could be afraid flying with an AA Airbus or even flying AA (who knows their sops for other planes), but i doubt that you should be afraid flying Airbus or other planes with composite.
 
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RE: Airbus Fleets Question....

Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:02 pm

SailorOrion, easy with me here....... other 3 are giving me details of the problems while you giving me example of my interrogation on A300-600s.....

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RE: Airbus Fleets Question....

Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:04 pm

SailorOrion, I was here asking if there are any effectives to other Airbus jets, that all I asked.

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RE: Airbus Fleets Question....

Thu Mar 14, 2002 11:27 pm

this is insanity. why is it if the pilot is dead, the crash is his fault? It was a piece of crap airbus plane, and NOT the pilots falut. That tail should never fall off unless a manuver like a straight down dive was to occur, and I doubt that a pilot would push the yoke fully foward in turbulance.
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NWA

Fri Mar 15, 2002 11:22 am

NWA: this is insanity. why is it if the pilot is dead, the crash is his fault?

The pilots (may they rest in peace) may have made a mistake based on their training. The operative word here is still "may".

Both Airbus and Boeing before the accident have been concerned enough with AA´s pilot training for upset recovery that they issued a warning against possible tailfin damage due to excessive rudder deflection (please note that Boeing joined in this).

NWA: It was a piece of crap airbus plane, and NOT the pilots falut.

Please tell the NTSB and the FAA. They´re still investigating and seem to be oblivious of your insight.

Seriously, though: As far as I know, the plane had been in severe turbulence before where normal operating limits had been exceeded; As far as I know, Airbus recommends extended (among them ultrasonic) checks in such a case. Did AA perform those? Not as far as I´ve heard.

Even if a manufacturing defect should have been the cause of the accident, AA would probably be wise to reconsider a few issues...

NWA: That tail should never fall off unless a manuver like a straight down dive was to occur, and I doubt that a pilot would push the yoke fully foward in turbulance.

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does a dive have to do with the tailfin coming off?? It´s lateral forces the tailfin is most vulnerable to.