panamair
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Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:59 pm

The latest Justplanes.com reported that Swiss will reveal the choice of its international alliance partner on 26 March and that the most likely ones were going to be SkyTeam or Star (?). I thought the most logical choice that had been discussed previously (and from inside sources) was oneworld? Anyone has any better info?
 
717fan
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:02 pm

The last I heard (from a conference at Zurich with Mr. Bouw) that they are leaning toward Oneworld. More information we will have at 26. March.
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gerardo
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:07 pm

Star would be impossible, due to the too big market concentration in the german speaking part of Europe. The EU commission would be glad to have a closer look at such a deal.

SkyTeam and Oneworld are the candidates, and - as mentioned by 717fan - P. Bouw gave some hints, that oneworld would be the one.

I hope, Swiss will join Oneworld.

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717fan
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:21 pm

That I hope too. It would be also the best choice for Zurich Airport. This would be a boost for Swiss and ZRH.
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:33 pm

I also hope that Swiss will join the Oneworld Alliance. Would be the best choice. And AA needs an strong European partner in the heart of Europe and the alliance between BA and AA is not possible so I think Swiss could be a strong feeder partner for Oneworld within Central Europe, Africa and more
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:07 pm

once more I would prefer Oneworld...
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sr176
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:02 pm

It will be definitely not Star as this was said so by CEO Dose.
 
Rickster
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:12 pm

Neither Star Alliance nor Sky team does make sence for Swiss so it has the be One World.
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:22 pm

I had read a news story a short time back- if I can find it again, I'll post it- saying that they expected the choice to be Sky Team... whether its gonna be Sky Team,or Oneworld, we'll just have to wait till March 26.
 
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:45 pm

Star is impossible, with already LH, Spanair and OS in with LOT interested.

Skyteam is maybe, they only have 1 airline in Europe (AF)

One World is also maybe, with BA, IB and Finnair in
 
panamair
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:03 pm

Actually, SkyTeam already has 3 airlines in Europe - AF, OK, and AZ. Oneworld would make the most sense given the locations of the European hubs (LHR, MAD, HEL)...Andre Dose had expressed interest in an interview earlier on in SkyTeam because he was interested in linking up with Delta as a U.S. partner due to SR's previous experience with DL as well as DL's financial strength....of course, at that time AA was vigorously pursuing its deal with BA and had no time or interest to focus on the Swiss....
 
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:04 pm

Skyteam besides Air France has Alitalia and CSA in Europe.
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:06 pm

ops too late  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Wed Mar 13, 2002 11:46 pm

Swiss would be better off hooking up with OneWorld.
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Thu Mar 14, 2002 1:57 am

I think that OneWorld will be the new alliance partner.

Anywayz, I would still prefer to see Swiss together with KL/NW. Why does nobody speak about Wings...will it be the big surprise?  Smile
 
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Thu Mar 14, 2002 2:02 am

My bet is on Oneworld.

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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Thu Mar 14, 2002 6:01 am

Oneworld. I've been saying it since AA/SR have tied up like 2 years ago.

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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Thu Mar 14, 2002 6:20 am

Hi !

Last Friday I'd a flight with them (LX) and nearly the whole plane was fullfilled with PAX coming from delta (ok I only imagine this because while boarding us i could see that they had delta boarding passes)
I think that (could) be a hint that they would join skyteam ...
what are you thinking about this ? I mean normally airlines doesn't fill planes from other airlines or better in this case they could also send their PAX over CDG ...

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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Thu Mar 14, 2002 10:16 am

I'd like to hear from some former Swiss Air employees. I've heard several mention that they liked the alliance with DL compared to working with AA. DL treated SR very well during their airplane disaster in the North Atlantic. DL seems to have better service compared to AA, in the past better on-time, lower level of complaints, etc. Plus, they would lower the competition in the France, Switzerland, Italy aviation markets. The UK traveler will surely not transit via ZRH to far off places, the Italian and Southern France businessman would.
 
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 7:39 pm

My bet: swiss will join oneworld. The now-gone swissair had a lot of co-operation with oneworld members such as AA, QF, AY, IB, Aer Lingus and could be (I am not 100% sure) also with BA & CX, even during the heydays of the Qualiflyer Group.

STAR will have a lot of explanations to present to the Commission, as well as internal friction (especially with OS).

As for Wings: ZRH would fit (geographically) quite well as a compliment hub to AMS... but will KLM allow another 'small but rather strong' European carrier in Wings?

Sky Team? I think MXP is too close to ZRH... and I am still not convinced about AZ quality matching up to AF, let alone Swiss quality.

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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 8:17 pm

Grüezi Emirates Skies

Swiss won't be a "rather small airline". They will have over 120 planes. So they will be the 4th biggest airline in Europe! Thats what I heard about.

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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 8:18 pm

I realy hope that swiss will hook up with ONEworld.
Bt what will ahppen to all the other qualiflyer-airlines? I mean, LOT could enter Star, etc but what about TAP etc?
As you might know, they all still have the Qualiflyer FF Programme (though the commercial Co-operation has been Stopped). I hope TAP will make the same decision as swissair (although Tap might be perfect for STAr, as a south-western European Partner, where One is strong with IBERIA)

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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 9:32 pm

@ Lionel:
4th biggest in Europe? You must be joking! 120 planes is nothing compared to BA, LH, AF, IB and AZ, maybe even less than SK and KL. So they will definitely not be the 4th largest airline in Europe.

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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 9:37 pm

@Rizzibird

Thats what I read in newspapers. I knew BA, LH and AF are bigger than Swiss but the others I was not shore.

How many planes have IB, SK and KL? What about Alitalia?
 
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 9:59 pm

KLM has 33 747's, 10 MD11's, 12 767, 40 (?) 737's and many aircraft with their daughters Transavia, KLM UK, BUzz, KLM cityhopper ~Martinair.

http://about.klm.com/fleet/fleet.asp

They also outsource a lots of flights.

And off course are selling a lots of seats on NWA aircraft across the Atlantic ...

Definetly 4th in seats in Europe

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I think size about 50% of BA, about 10th in the world

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il-96lover
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:15 pm

Well, let´s see,

KLM: 124 ac
Alitalia: 178 ac
Iberia: 208 ac
SK: 184 ac

so SWISS can´t be 4th in europe by far.

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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:28 pm

A B747-400 to Tokio & an A319 to Rome is both one aircraft however .....
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:41 pm


Lionel: Don't misquote me, nor misunderstand me:-

1. I said "'small but rather strong European carrier'" and I put it in inverted commas as I wanted to mean 'relatively small' (you can go up the thread and reread that... and make sure you have your glasses on if you have a pair (just kiddin', ok?!)... but I definitely did not write "'rather small airline'" as you claim).

2. Of course swiss is among the "big" in Europe, but again, as pointed out above, LH, BA, AF and KLM are definitely bigger, as are also IB and AZ (although AZ badly lacks the concept of quality).

TAP...? Last month I was in Portugal (...and btw, what a nice country!) and I was at the TAP office at Etascao Oriente in Lisboa and I got the impression that they already have seen into some of the problems related to the dissolve of the Qualifyer Group with their own separate FFP up and flyin'. Good luck to this promising airline too.

Anyway, I loved swissair, and I wish lots of success to the brand-new swiss too (even if there are some dark grey clouds cast by the European Commission over swiss skies at the moment)  Wink/being sarcastic

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Lionel
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:56 pm

@Emirates Skies

In fact, there were some false info I wrote above. As you can read on www.fly-swiss.com the new Swiss Air Lines will has 128 planes.
 
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RE: Swiss' Alliance Partner?

Sat Mar 16, 2002 11:32 am

The most used means of determining size is revenue passenger miles/kilometres (RPMs/RPKs) and based on that in the past few years, #1 in Europe has been BA, then LH, AF, KL, and the old SR. Since SWISS is smaller than the old SR, it will likely be 5th or 6th. AZ has been continuously shrinking since so should not figure too prominently.

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