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Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:52 pm

Good evening folks ... welcome to our November thread (Sciathain na Samhain means (if my Irish grammar is correct!) wings of November!

Here's a quick look back over the last month:

- Growth planned at ORK next summer by AF, LX, FR and EI
- EI experiencing A330 crew shortage
- AC to bring A330 to DUB-YUL (possibly YVR as well); ex-SIA A330s being added.
- DAA awards contract for new DUB runway; should be open by early 2021
- Westjet announces YYC service for next Summer, with 789s
- Stephen Kavanagh steps down as EI CEO, to be replaced by Stephen Doyle
- Cello fades out
- ET drops DUB-LAX rights; announces DUB-MAD-ADD
- Offaly good idea? New airport mooted for Tubber

Here's a link to the October thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1405095&start=250

Enjoy November!
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:06 pm

Looks like the are reports that Stobart may start flying on behalf of BA Cityflyer http://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2018/10/31/stobart-air-to-operate-british-airways-services-at-london-city/

Aviationtribune.com reports that Stobart will be leasing two Embraer 190s (the aircraft type operated by BA Cityflyer at LCY) over a three-year period complete with crew, maintenance and insurance


Luke Hayhoe, BA’s GM commercial and customer is quoted as saying:

“We’re looking forward to working with Stobart Air within this new significant lease agreement. This relationship will ensure we will continue to provide punctual and reliable services for our customers.”


Stobart will now have a relationship with EI and BA and Cityjet will be operating LCY flights on behalf of EI
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:14 pm

The Air Canada A333 operation for S19:

YYZ-DUB (daily)
YUL-DUB (days 246)
YVR-DUB (days 1357)
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:43 pm

Cant wait to see the state of the food outlets in the airport next summer with the extra traffic that's building up.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:09 pm

EI321 wrote:
Cant wait to see the state of the food outlets in the airport next summer with the extra traffic that's building up.


5 New TATL routes for next year. Below the route announcements for 2019 (so far):

31MAR - DY - Toronto/Hamilton
31MAR - TP - Lisbon
02APR - FR - Southend
02APR - FR - Bournemouth
04APR - FR - Bordeaux
03MAY - FR - Thessaloniki
04MAY - FR - Gothenburg
01JUN - WA - Calgary
03JUN - FR - Lourdes
06JUN - AA - Dallas DFW
02JUL - FR - Cagliari
08JUL - EI - Minneapolis St. Paul
09AUG - EI - Montréal
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:38 pm

Great flight on the new EI operated by WX flight. Departed from Gate 203 . Priority boarding worked and was quite a civilised experience. Due to flooding in Aer Lingus lounge DAA were accepting EI passengers although Emirates were not happy apparantly as the lounge was packed and degraded the experience for their passengers!


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The crew in their EI uniforms were very enthusiastic as was the info from the flight deck. Interesting there were a group of around 10 Americans who had connected from an EI TATL. Hopefully this will add to the route as WX never got that many connections. Being part of a larger group with proper FF benefits will attract a new clientele.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:57 pm

I saw reports of CX running a load factor of 86%, which is a great start. Its not like the route has been featuring on FF blogs/Tier Point runs, so hopefully loads and yields are good.
Although there are a lot of reasons why EI aren't in Asia yet, most related to the fleet, the market clearly has growth potential. Its a shame EI never got those A350s, they would be great for developing Asia - although knowing EI they would fly them to Kansas instead.

OA260 wrote:
The crew in their EI uniforms were very enthusiastic as was the info from the flight deck. Interesting there were a group of around 10 Americans who had connected from an EI TATL. Hopefully this will add to the route as WX never got that many connections. Being part of a larger group with proper FF benefits will attract a new clientele.


Thanks for the Mini TR, the cabin looks really smart, if a little bland. In keeping with the rest of the EI fleet, at least. What was the on-board service? The usual Bia menu?
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:05 am

BrianDromey wrote:
Thanks for the Mini TR, the cabin looks really smart, if a little bland. In keeping with the rest of the EI fleet, at least. What was the on-board service? The usual Bia menu?


The cabin is indeed clean and comfortable. Row 2F is the seat to go for. The usual Bia offering but nothing hot. Two trolleys one with food and one with drinks. Most passengers declined to buy. Are there even ovens on these A/C?
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:25 am

Do BA Silvers & Golds now get lounge access on the EI service to LCY as they do to LHR & LGW?
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:40 am

OA260 wrote:
The cabin is indeed clean and comfortable. Row 2F is the seat to go for. The usual Bia offering but nothing hot. Two trolleys one with food and one with drinks. Most passengers declined to buy. Are there even ovens on these A/C?


Good to know, as I'd want a breakfast if I was flying in the morning. There may not be ovens on these aircraft, but it would be interesting to know for sure.

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Do BA Silvers & Golds now get lounge access on the EI service to LCY as they do to LHR & LGW?


Good question.

I thought it was only on services to London where a BA code was on the flight, which is all the LHR and LGW EI services. I just had a look there and the EI LCY services are not available to book on the BA web site (though, as an aside, you can now fly DUB-LCY for €29 some days on BA, returning from LHR for €58, so it's €87 return!).

As such, it may not be possible, but it is London, so it may. Looking forward to the answer to that.

Any reason why BA sell EI on their web site but EI don't sell BA's London flights?
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:41 am

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I thought it was only on services to London where a BA code was on the flight, which is all the LHR and LGW EI services. I just had a look there and the EI LCY services are not available to book on the BA web site (though, as an aside, you can now fly DUB-LCY for €29 some days on BA, returning from LHR for €58, so it's €87 return!).

As such, it may not be possible, but it is London, so it may. Looking forward to the answer to that.

Any reason why BA sell EI on their web site but EI don't sell BA's London flights?


That's not quite right, the current rules are:

Aer Lingus Lounge @ LHR T2
BA Silver and Gold cardholders travelling on an EI flight can use the lounge. The ticket does not need to be issued by BA and it does not need to be a BA codeshare

Aer Lingus Lounge @ DUB and SNN
BA Silver and Gold cardholders travelling on an EI ticket can use the lounge as above, but only for services to Heathrow and Gatwick.

BA Lounge @ LGW
BA Gold cardholders travelling on an EI flight can use the lounge only if the ticket is issued by BA and has a BA flight number (i.e. is on 125 stock as a BA codeshare)

Therefore there is no lounge access in DUB travelling on the LCY flight under current rules. Let's hope they make a change.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:48 pm

OA260 wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
Thanks for the Mini TR, the cabin looks really smart, if a little bland. In keeping with the rest of the EI fleet, at least. What was the on-board service? The usual Bia menu?


The cabin is indeed clean and comfortable. Row 2F is the seat to go for. The usual Bia offering but nothing hot. Two trolleys one with food and one with drinks. Most passengers declined to buy. Are there even ovens on these A/C?


I don’t know about the Cityjet RJ85s, when Aer Lingus had the 146s, there were ovens on them.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:16 pm

kaitak wrote:
Good evening folks ... welcome to our November thread (Sciathain na Samhain means (if my Irish grammar is correct!) wings of November!

Here's a quick look back over the last month:

- Growth planned at ORK next summer by AF, LX, FR and EI
- EI experiencing A330 crew shortage
- AC to bring A330 to DUB-YUL (possibly YVR as well); ex-SIA A330s being added.
- DAA awards contract for new DUB runway; should be open by early 2021
- Westjet announces YYC service for next Summer, with 789s
- Stephen Kavanagh steps down as EI CEO, to be replaced by Stephen Doyle
- Cello fades out
- ET drops DUB-LAX rights; announces DUB-MAD-ADD
- Offaly good idea? New airport mooted for Tubber

Here's a link to the October thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1405095&start=250

Enjoy November!



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At 5.40min it was mentioned Aer Space coming in in 2019 (kind of a premium economy/business class on the short haul). "enhanced service in our short haul network".
Hopefully it's not a menu change only
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:35 pm

With Cobalt gone, could there be room for Aer Lingus to start a LCA-DUB?
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:04 pm

bx737 wrote:
OA260 wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
Thanks for the Mini TR, the cabin looks really smart, if a little bland. In keeping with the rest of the EI fleet, at least. What was the on-board service? The usual Bia menu?


The cabin is indeed clean and comfortable. Row 2F is the seat to go for. The usual Bia offering but nothing hot. Two trolleys one with food and one with drinks. Most passengers declined to buy. Are there even ovens on these A/C?


I don’t know about the Cityjet RJ85s, when Aer Lingus had the 146s, there were ovens on them.


Thanks maybe as WX never offered AFAIK hot meals they never had them. Not sure what they offered on DUB-CDG in J .
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:53 pm

On WX to CDG - always cold!
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:42 am

Ethiopian's ADD-LAX service will route via Lomé, with traffic rights, from 17 December, so it won't be using DUB even as a technical stop. https://newsroom.aviator.aero/ethiopian ... -via-lome/
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:07 am

Aeroflot Launches New Dublin To Moscow Service

Really like the Aeroflot Cabin Crew Uniform:

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-ne ... ow-service

Dublin Airport welcomes the launch of Aeroflot’s new service between Dublin and the Russian capital Moscow.

The airline will operate its new daily, year-round service with an Airbus A320 aircraft.

“We are delighted to welcome Aeroflot back to Dublin Airport and we will work closely with its management team to promote this new route,” said Dublin Airport Managing Director Vincent Harrison.

“About 42,000 passengers travelled between Dublin and Moscow last year on indirect flights so I have no doubt this new direct route will be very popular in both directions. The new service will further boost trade and tourism between Ireland and Russia,” he added.

Flights will depart Moscow Sheremetyevo at 19.20 and arrive in Dublin at 20.45. The return flight will depart Dublin at 21.45 and arrive in Moscow Sheremetyevo at 05.00.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:50 am

Skyblue39 wrote:
With Cobalt gone, could there be room for Aer Lingus to start a LCA-DUB?


Don't Ryanair already go to Paphos?
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:21 pm

This morning’s Norwegian HEL-DUB flight had to do a go around and apparently make an emergency landing. A friend onboard told me it was due to a landing gear issue
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:24 pm

Aer Lingus signals more A330s and studies 'A321XLR'

Aer Lingus has outlined a five-year long-haul fleet plan which increases its net number of twin-aisle aircraft by three – from 13 to 16 Airbus A330s – by 2023.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... lr-453271/

Another source on Twitter indicated Aer Lingus would introduce more A330s from 2020 onwards but type had not been detirmined. Could the A330neo be back in with a chance?

Also interesting to see the A321LR number has increased again to 14 frames. A321XLR would be a no brainer imo.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:16 pm

shamrock350 wrote:
Aer Lingus signals more A330s and studies 'A321XLR'

Aer Lingus has outlined a five-year long-haul fleet plan which increases its net number of twin-aisle aircraft by three – from 13 to 16 Airbus A330s – by 2023.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... lr-453271/

Another source on Twitter indicated Aer Lingus would introduce more A330s from 2020 onwards but type had not been detirmined. Could the A330neo be back in with a chance?

Also interesting to see the A321LR number has increased again to 14 frames. A321XLR would be a no brainer imo.


The article says one of the 200s is being dropped, so they'll have four, then they'll buy four more 300s, two for 2020 and two for 2022.

I can't see the A330neo being a contender. The reason I say this is that is the fact they would be different to the rest of the fleet and that would add additional cost when it comes to maintenance and so on.

14 A321s - looks like EI plan to go big. I like how it also points out these can fly on to other European destinations after arriving in Dublin. Nice!
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:35 pm

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14 A321s - looks like EI plan to go big. I like how it also points out these can fly on to other European destinations after arriving in Dublin. Nice!


Agreed . I wonder if they would consider those passengers flying the whole route to stay onboard or at the gate with luggage remaining to make it easier.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:29 pm

Interesting idea; you mean the aircraft flying (for example) BRU-DUB-PHL and pax flying to PHL staying on board.

Good to see A330 numbers increasing. I tend to think that Qatar will be a likely source of A333s, so they might not be new. A330neos can't be ruled out, but I do think they're unlikely. Why have a large capital outlay for aircraft when you can get the same aircraft quite cheaply.

I'm particularly interested in seeing what EI does to build up the DubHub. The long haul side is one aspect and I think that, looking down the road, to see that working better, they need to upguage from the 330. The 321Neo will be the instrument to open up new routes, but they'll need to be developed from there, using a 250-300 seater (currently the 332) and then, the current "heavy" routes (the likes of JFK, BOS, ORD, possibly SEA) will need to see something bigger than the 333 - most likely the 35K.

On the short haul front, they'll need to have a more unified approach; currently, you have Stobart with ATRs, E-195 and Cityjet with RJ85s. I would hope that they'd have one supplier which could add growth on regional routes, perhaps ATR72 size, then a 90-95 seater and then, a 120 seater - A220, E2, or similar, possibly (subject to scope clauses) the ability to expand to a 150 seater.

Still wondering what they'll do on the mainline short haul front; presumably A320s a no-brainer, but Ceos or Neos? The current 320s - especially the older ones ('CVA-D) will probably need to be replaced soon. I think we'll see A321Neo LRs doing many of the trunk routes, i.e. the high density early morning routes, but there will still be a need for a decent sized A320 fleet. Maybe a need for a smaller type to improve its ability to access smaller markets - A220? A 170 seater is a rather blunt instrument for doing this. A 100-150 seater, even if the smaller type were operated by a regional partner, might be useful.

If it were possible for Airbus and Bombardier to re-develop the A220 cockpit to make it compatible with the A320 series for type rating purposes, it might well be an ideal aircraft for EI.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:49 pm

Not a hope of passengers staying on board, unless EI want to drop pre-clearance.

Great if it all works out for them, but they'll need to get seriously imaginative with stand management and scheduling. A320s could become extinct at T2 until mid afternoon.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:20 pm

OA260 wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:

14 A321s - looks like EI plan to go big. I like how it also points out these can fly on to other European destinations after arriving in Dublin. Nice!


Agreed . I wonder if they would consider those passengers flying the whole route to stay onboard or at the gate with luggage remaining to make it easier.



Zero chance , it would be operational nonsense ... nightmare
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:03 pm

kaitak wrote:
Interesting idea; you mean the aircraft flying (for example) BRU-DUB-PHL and pax flying to PHL staying on board.

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Yes although inbound from the US as outbound CBP would need done. Although a BA type operation like SNN could work where they get off clear then back on. Just would save getting off bags and changing gates etc ... Other airlines have done it on various routes in the past.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:05 pm

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I wonder if they would consider those passengers flying the whole route to stay onboard or at the gate with luggage remaining to make it easier.


Interesting idea but I imagine they would be marketing CBP at DUB as a reason to book with EI in the first place; so getting off the plane would make more sense, and likely to be mandatory for customs anyway. Unless of course you mean an eastbound crossing, but it could mean quite a long time spent sitting on the airplane for a crew change and boarding of O&D pax etc.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:41 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
shamrock350 wrote:
Aer Lingus signals more A330s and studies 'A321XLR'

Aer Lingus has outlined a five-year long-haul fleet plan which increases its net number of twin-aisle aircraft by three – from 13 to 16 Airbus A330s – by 2023.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... lr-453271/

Another source on Twitter indicated Aer Lingus would introduce more A330s from 2020 onwards but type had not been detirmined. Could the A330neo be back in with a chance?

Also interesting to see the A321LR number has increased again to 14 frames. A321XLR would be a no brainer imo.


The article says one of the 200s is being dropped, so they'll have four, then they'll buy four more 300s, two for 2020 and two for 2022.

I can't see the A330neo being a contender. The reason I say this is that is the fact they would be different to the rest of the fleet and that would add additional cost when it comes to maintenance and so on.

14 A321s - looks like EI plan to go big. I like how it also points out these can fly on to other European destinations after arriving in Dublin. Nice!


We now know there will be 14 A321LRs added to the fleet has there been any word on the front runners for the next round of expansion into the US and what is the criteria for a city being added by EI.
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:03 pm

OA260 wrote:
kaitak wrote:
Interesting idea; you mean the aircraft flying (for example) BRU-DUB-PHL and pax flying to PHL staying on board.

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Yes although inbound from the US as outbound CBP would need done. Although a BA type operation like SNN could work where they get off clear then back on. Just would save getting off bags and changing gates etc ... Other airlines have done it on various routes in the past.



Never heard of any airline doing it at a hub - because it’s just a ridiculous idea . BA might do it in transit at Shannon and indeed AC used to do it at Dub when the Shannon stop was required but it’s just a silly idea for a hub operation ... just won’t work . And shouldn’t even be considered ...
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:47 pm

I see the Aer Lingus blog has a post by Stephen Kavanagh on the expansion :)

https://blog.aerlingus.com/presenting-our-most-ambitious-growth-plan-to-date/

"a free social media wi-fi package and complimentary alcohol for all guests across the North Atlantic"

Now that'll be good when it comes to Wi-Fi.

I'd pay good money to find out how much ancillary revenue they are going to lose by this switch to complimentary alcohol. When I flew transatlantic with EI in Y, I just didn't drink. I wonder if many people do / don't etc.
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:02 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
I see the Aer Lingus blog has a post by Stephen Kavanagh on the expansion :)

https://blog.aerlingus.com/presenting-our-most-ambitious-growth-plan-to-date/

"a free social media wi-fi package and complimentary alcohol for all guests across the North Atlantic"

Now that'll be good when it comes to Wi-Fi.

I'd pay good money to find out how much ancillary revenue they are going to lose by this switch to complimentary alcohol. When I flew transatlantic with EI in Y, I just didn't drink. I wonder if many people do / don't etc.



Hopefully in this ambitious growth plan Detroit will not be over looked in the next round of additions. With WOW Air cutting a lot of routes but choosing to keep Detroit in it's network speaks volumes about how Detroit needs more low fare capacity in this market and how receptive the market is to new entrants into the Detroit market.
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Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:44 am

Galwayman wrote:
OA260 wrote:
kaitak wrote:
Interesting idea; you mean the aircraft flying (for example) BRU-DUB-PHL and pax flying to PHL staying on board.

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Yes although inbound from the US as outbound CBP would need done. Although a BA type operation like SNN could work where they get off clear then back on. Just would save getting off bags and changing gates etc ... Other airlines have done it on various routes in the past.



Never heard of any airline doing it at a hub - because it’s just a ridiculous idea . BA might do it in transit at Shannon and indeed AC used to do it at Dub when the Shannon stop was required but it’s just a silly idea for a hub operation ... just won’t work . And shouldn’t even be considered ...


Never say never and there is no such thing as cant. The Aviation industry is forever evolving and things that seemed impossible or not a runner can often go on to be the norm! There maybe some routes where this might be beneficial depending on the demography of the passengers onboard. A hub really has nothing to do with it if the case was there for certain routes.
 
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Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:27 pm

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14 A321s - looks like EI plan to go big. I like how it also points out these can fly on to other European destinations after arriving in Dublin. Nice!


Leaving aside the tight scheduling that adding an additional European leg to a transatlantic flight might impose, how well would an A321LR with a transatlantic seating configuration fit into EI’s European network? If they are configured like the 757, the A321LRs are going to have 12J and 160 or more Y seats but unless EI feel they can sell the business seats at an exceptionally high premium, this would not seem to be a very economical configuration for their short haul route network.
 
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Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:45 pm

It allows them to grow European capacity with zero additional aircraft investment.
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Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:07 pm

stratocruiser wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:

14 A321s - looks like EI plan to go big. I like how it also points out these can fly on to other European destinations after arriving in Dublin. Nice!


Leaving aside the tight scheduling that adding an additional European leg to a transatlantic flight might impose, how well would an A321LR with a transatlantic seating configuration fit into EI’s European network? If they are configured like the 757, the A321LRs are going to have 12J and 160 or more Y seats but unless EI feel they can sell the business seats at an exceptionally high premium, this would not seem to be a very economical configuration for their short haul route network.


They would make a return doing LHR/AMS/CDG daily and freeing up standard A320 to do longer European sectors. They will make the extra revenue though long haul bookings rather than point to point. There J product can generate a lot more than it does today.

The config is 12J/168Y-189

Should start European routes next summer if things go to plan.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:47 pm

stratocruiser wrote:

Leaving aside the tight scheduling that adding an additional European leg to a transatlantic flight might impose, how well would an A321LR with a transatlantic seating configuration fit into EI’s European network? If they are configured like the 757, the A321LRs are going to have 12J and 160 or more Y seats but unless EI feel they can sell the business seats at an exceptionally high premium, this would not seem to be a very economical configuration for their short haul route network.


EI would have the best short haul business class in Europe. They could become v attractive for business travellers who currently connect through LHR, FRA etc on the less than impressive short haul offerings of LH and BA
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:52 pm

I guess it depends on what frequent business travellers actually want! Is it space, or reliability, or frequency, or food or even price? I know I like space and a decent smile or service. But that's me!!!!
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:25 pm

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kaitak wrote:
Interesting idea; you mean the aircraft flying (for example) BRU-DUB-PHL and pax flying to PHL staying on board.

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Yes although inbound from the US as outbound CBP would need done. Although a BA type operation like SNN could work where they get off clear then back on. Just would save getting off bags and changing gates etc ... Other airlines have done it on various routes in the past.

I believe bags would have to come off at DUB so that they could be spot-checked by US CBP.

EI followed this practice on transatlantic routes until 2007 when the US immigration rules because more stringent (e.g. passengers remained onboard during the stopover on SNN-DUB-ORD and DUB-SNN-BOS/JFK)
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:30 pm

eirflot wrote:
I guess it depends on what frequent business travellers actually want! Is it space, or reliability, or frequency, or food or even price? I know I like space and a decent smile or service. But that's me!!!!


Consistency of product would be another one. There's no point having a lie flat business class on the morning flight to CDG, if the evening flight is back to economy only. Interesting times.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:47 pm

Fully agree with you LH982
Consistency is not a strength of EI - on the ground or in the air! Thete are too many variations in service as it stands! Though I am one who think a type of business class service is required.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:46 pm

If EI get enough A321s they might be better off dumping A320s and going with a nice streamlined flexible fleet of A330/A321 A220 ...... A321 and A220 can easily cover the U.K. and E.U, with lots of flexibility
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:05 pm

stratocruiser wrote:
Leaving aside the tight scheduling that adding an additional European leg to a transatlantic flight might impose, how well would an A321LR with a transatlantic seating configuration fit into EI’s European network? If they are configured like the 757, the A321LRs are going to have 12J and 160 or more Y seats but unless EI feel they can sell the business seats at an exceptionally high premium, this would not seem to be a very economical configuration for their short haul route network.


I don't think it needs to be sold at an exceptionally high premium. There might be enough transfer traffic to fill most of it anyway.

I'll be very surprised if EI can't fill 12 J on the business routes. On my last BA flight - on a Saturday afternoon - Club Europe was 24 seats and they were all full. Two upgrades (one paid at the airport, the other not sure) - but 24 seats on an afternoon tea flight on a Saturday? Every time I fly Club Europe between London and Dublin it's always got from 6 to 12 people in it.

VFRonTop wrote:
EI would have the best short haul business class in Europe. They could become v attractive for business travellers who currently connect through LHR, FRA etc on the less than impressive short haul offerings of LH and BA


Well, apart from the A350 used by AY between HEL and LHR, plus the widebody aircraft IB use between LHR and MAD, and LATAM between MAD and FRA... :) There are other routes with long haul products in Europe due to aircraft utilisation.
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pm

Thought DL would react to Aer Lingus starting Minneapolis - Dublin. But I do see they are offering €320 return fares via JFK!
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:44 pm

Also Stephen Kavanagh mentioned the introduction of Aer Space on his slide for next year. this may be similar to the BA Club Europe, on flights where an a321LR can't operate due to schedules
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:40 pm

As far as I know the EI A321LRs are going to have 16/168seats. They will be registered in the EI-LRx series.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:50 am

ClassicLover wrote:

I don't think it needs to be sold at an exceptionally high premium. There might be enough transfer traffic to fill most of it anyway.

I'll be very surprised if EI can't fill 12 J on the business routes. On my last BA flight - on a Saturday afternoon - Club Europe was 24 seats and they were all full. Two upgrades (one paid at the airport, the other not sure) - but 24 seats on an afternoon tea flight on a Saturday? Every time I fly Club Europe between London and Dublin it's always got from 6 to 12 people in it.


I don't think there was ever a lack of demand, the problem was that it was only on certain routes. In the end EI went with standardisation, and removed it from all short haul aircraft.

Maybe they will go to the empty middle seat config on the A320s. Not great compared to the 321LRs, but better than nothing.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:26 am

LH982 wrote:
I don't think there was ever a lack of demand, the problem was that it was only on certain routes. In the end EI went with standardisation, and removed it from all short haul aircraft.

Maybe they will go to the empty middle seat config on the A320s. Not great compared to the 321LRs, but better than nothing.


Well considering all of Europe does empty middle seat business class, I don't see why they don't. It works for everyone else and people pay for it.

I did notice in the IAG Capital Markets Day presentation, "Airspace" (as opposed to AerSpace for Aer Lingus) was mentioned for Iberia in Fleet -

"Improve comfort (Premium Economy, A350, A320 Neos, Extra-large bins, Airspace, luxury bedding and amenities, extra legroom)

Coincidence?
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:44 am

DL to operate B763 on BOS from 23/5 to 3/9, B752 operates the rest of the season. Was expected with BOS-EDI/LIS announcements.
 
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Re: Irish 11/18: Sciathain na Samhain

Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:40 am

Very revealing articicle on the front page of today’s Sunday Independent business section on the state of play of the Aer Lingus pilot shortage, apparently pilots are turning down offers of over €5,000 to go in to work on their free days off, resulting in all the hire ins in recent months and all the cancellations of the SNN-JFK flights to use that 757 to operate Dublin based flights.

I can only wonder what the plan is to solve this shortage, but it doesn’t come across well if flights are constantly delayed, cancelled and operated by hireins all because you didn’t hire enough staff, especially long haul flights with all the connecting traffic they’re trying to build through their DUB HUB. I know pilots are very well paid but €5,000 is still an awful lot of money to turn down for working a day off, so the issues must be quite deep rooted.

If good will and flexibility has gone that low they’re going to have serious problems next summer with the addition of 3 NEO-LRs and the increasing of the long haul fleet from 14 to 30 over the next 5 years.

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