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Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:11 am

HAL9990 currently over Manitoba en route to Rome. Must be empty.

https://www.flightradar24.com/HAL9990/1e78a6bc

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL9990
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:27 am

Very interesting flight. Didn't know the A330-200 could fly that far, even with an empty cabin...

It's obviously a charter flight of some sort...
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:31 am

Interesting. I’m very curious on this one and curious to see what more knowledgeable members on this site dig up on this.

Charter for the Pope is the only thing I could think of as a possibility to make sense of it. I know in the past it’s been pretty much solely on AZ only but have seen him on AA among a few others over the years as well. Who knows....
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:37 am

FA9295 wrote:
Very interesting flight. Didn't know the A330-200 could fly that far, even with an empty cabin.

Not sure why, considering the distance is shorter than the advertised range for the aircraft with pax+bags....
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:41 am

LAX772LR wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Very interesting flight. Didn't know the A330-200 could fly that far, even with an empty cabin.

Not sure why, considering the distance is shorter than the advertised range for the aircraft with pax+bags....

The distance for this flight is 8,713 mi. Airbus advertises the range as 13,450 km. (8,358 mi.). Granted, that range is with a full payload, but regardless, it's still pushing the plane to it's limits...
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:44 am

nine4nine wrote:
Charter for the Pope

That's what I was thinking too, but I just looked through various Honolulu media sources and haven't seen any sign that the Pope visited the area.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:53 am

Maybe due to the aircraft's maintenance at FCO?
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:00 am

Lease return
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:06 am

It's going to Rome FCO for aircraft painting into the new livery. Some of our other aircraft are going to get painted in Peru, Indiana (GUS) and in Fort Worth,Texas (FTW) during the low season over the next month.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:06 am

FA9295 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Very interesting flight. Didn't know the A330-200 could fly that far, even with an empty cabin.

Not sure why, considering the distance is shorter than the advertised range for the aircraft with pax+bags....

The distance for this flight is 8,713 mi. Airbus advertises the range as 13,450 km. (8,358 mi.). Granted, that range is with a full payload, but regardless, it's still pushing the plane to it's limits...

It's also (north)eastbound, which assists tremendously...
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:21 am

In Europe, only LHR is a viable destination for Hawaiian.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:32 am

Clearly a ferry flight but FYI Hawaiian used to fly DC-8s to Zurich via Anchorage
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:50 am

FA9295 wrote:
Very interesting flight. Didn't know the A330-200 could fly that far, even with an empty cabin...

It's obviously a charter flight of some sort...


Delta flew an empty A330-200 nonstop SIN-ATL on May 26, 2013.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:13 am

Is HA ramping up the new livery paint on their A330s? Used to be just N361HA, but now N360HA was just repainted and now comes N380HA.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:27 am

HALOGG wrote:
It's going to Rome FCO for aircraft painting into the new livery. Some of our other aircraft are going to get painted in Peru, Indiana (GUS) and in Fort Worth,Texas (FTW) during the low season over the next month.

When I first saw Peru I thought it was the country! :duck:

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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:33 am

Probably just me but given fuel costs and time could it not be done closer to home, cheaper?
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:24 am

readytotaxi wrote:
Probably just me but given fuel costs and time could it not be done closer to home, cheaper?

That's what I was thinking too....a round trip of 16,430 miles just for painting !
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 am

Some distant countries' airlines make the double FCO + MLA for painting and maintenance.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:27 pm

After repainting, might it ferry FCO-JFK for a revenue return flight?
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:48 pm

I thought that repainting in Japan, Xiamen, Hong Kong or Singapore might have been cheaper but that is purely based on the distance from Hawaii so I'm not sure of course.


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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:01 pm

nine4nine wrote:
Charter for the Pope is the only thing I could think of as a possibility to make sense of it.


I don't think the Pope goes very far in Stealth mode!
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:52 pm

It could also be availability of painting slots. With a lot of carriers doing livery changes or repainting planes, think Hawaiian is just trying to get as much planes painted as much as possible before their busy winter season. Also its been almost a year and a half since they did a livery refresh. Also with the 767 on the way out, HA wouldn't have too much spares until more A321neos are in the fleet.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:54 pm

LIPZ wrote:
Maybe due to the aircraft's maintenance at FCO?


I was thinking D Check or Lease Return. Delta callsign...
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:01 pm

It went to FCO for paint.

Aw man! HAL should have read this thread, probably hadn't thought about a closer paint shop. :roll:
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:26 pm

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It went to FCO for paint.

Aw man! HAL should have read this thread, probably hadn't thought about a closer paint shop. :roll:


This baffles the mind...To send a plane half across the world for paint baffles the mind. An old livery isnt the end of the world.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:35 pm

FA9295 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Very interesting flight. Didn't know the A330-200 could fly that far, even with an empty cabin.

Not sure why, considering the distance is shorter than the advertised range for the aircraft with pax+bags....

The distance for this flight is 8,713 mi. Airbus advertises the range as 13,450 km. (8,358 mi.). Granted, that range is with a full payload, but regardless, it's still pushing the plane to it's limits...


The direct distance for this flight should be around 7000nm, A330-200 is listed to fly at maximum range of 7,200nm with passengers and bags (both bags inside the overhead bins and passengers checked bags in the cargo compartments).

But, the 7,200nm is calculated range with normal weather.

Maybe tailwind or less passengers and bags.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:52 pm

I wonder why it was not painted at Victorville like many other airliners go to be painted.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:57 pm

I’m going to go out of a limb here and say that the cost of painting far exceeds the cost of the flights meaning the difference in cost is marginal and it’s more about capacity for painting...eg

It’s costs £1,000,000 to paint the airframe
Flight costs total £50,000 to go to Rome
Or £20,000 somewhere closer to home that saving is rather insignificant

Figures are just for show I’ve no clue on the actual costs

Heck play it right the pilots get the family on board, and get themselves a cheaper holiday in Rome for 10 days while it’s painted then fly it back
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:14 pm

Jeez, isn't the WAG flying low today! 'It's surely a charter', 'must be a lease return', 'going for a heavy check', 'baffling they flew it 15 hours for a paint', 'surely a paint job can't be that important', etc. etc. All said with a large measure of certainty but, ultimately, proves to be nothing but unqualified wild arse guesses without even the slightest of insight, knowledge or actual facts.

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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:22 pm

B777LRF wrote:
Jeez, isn't the WAG flying low today! 'It's surely a charter', 'must be a lease return', 'going for a heavy check', 'baffling they flew it 15 hours for a paint', 'surely a paint job can't be that important', etc. etc. All said with a large measure of certainty but, ultimately, proves to be nothing but unqualified wild arse guesses without even the slightest of insight, knowledge or actual facts.

A.net in a nutshell.

And how would anyone even remotely know the facts, unless if they had inside information from Hawaiian? If you have factual information or your own opinion, then please, share it. But if not, then you have nothing to say here.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:23 pm

nine4nine wrote:
Interesting. I’m very curious on this one and curious to see what more knowledgeable members on this site dig up on this.

Charter for the Pope is the only thing I could think of as a possibility to make sense of it. I know in the past it’s been pretty much solely on AZ only but have seen him on AA among a few others over the years as well. Who knows....


No, that doesn't make any sense. The Pope usually flies AZ to his destinations and then an airline of that country on the return trip. His trips are planned well ahead of time and publicized, it would be everywhere on the internet if he were coming to the US.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:30 pm

How much does it really cost to paint a plane the size of an A332?
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:39 pm

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And how would anyone even remotely know the facts, unless if they had inside information from Hawaiian? If you have factual information or your own opinion, then please, share it. But if not, then you have nothing to say here.


Hit a sore spot there champ? Sorry to have hurt your feelings but, you see, in the absence of having any factual information to offer, I'd suggest staying numb is vastly superior to wild arse guessing. The only reason I'm here, is to point out the flippancy of posting such concocted drivel.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:00 pm

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Jeez, isn't the WAG flying low today! 'It's surely a charter', 'must be a lease return', 'going for a heavy check', 'baffling they flew it 15 hours for a paint', 'surely a paint job can't be that important', etc. etc. All said with a large measure of certainty but, ultimately, proves to be nothing but unqualified wild arse guesses without even the slightest of insight, knowledge or actual facts.

A.net in a nutshell.


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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:06 pm

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FA9295 wrote:
And how would anyone even remotely know the facts, unless if they had inside information from Hawaiian? If you have factual information or your own opinion, then please, share it. But if not, then you have nothing to say here.


Hit a sore spot there champ? Sorry to have hurt your feelings but, you see, in the absence of having any factual information to offer, I'd suggest staying numb is vastly superior to wild arse guessing. The only reason I'm here, is to point out the flippancy of posting such concocted drivel.

Dumb or numb?

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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:04 pm

smartplane wrote:
B777LRF wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
And how would anyone even remotely know the facts, unless if they had inside information from Hawaiian? If you have factual information or your own opinion, then please, share it. But if not, then you have nothing to say here.


Hit a sore spot there champ? Sorry to have hurt your feelings but, you see, in the absence of having any factual information to offer, I'd suggest staying numb is vastly superior to wild arse guessing. The only reason I'm here, is to point out the flippancy of posting such concocted drivel.

Dumb or numb?

If posts to a.net were limited to 100% factual / verified information (also eliminate deliberately misleading and/or anti-competitive posts made on behalf of OEM and airline clients), there would be very little traffic.

This site makes me smile and even laugh sometimes. Thank you for your contribution today, and the reaction you will generate.

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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:56 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
After repainting, might it ferry FCO-JFK for a revenue return flight?


Yes that is what is planned for the return flight in mid-late November. The other aircraft aircraft arriving at JFK will be ferried JFK-FCO for painting, so no more direct HNL-FCO flights for now.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:58 am

B777LRF wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
And how would anyone even remotely know the facts, unless if they had inside information from Hawaiian? If you have factual information or your own opinion, then please, share it. But if not, then you have nothing to say here.


Hit a sore spot there champ? Sorry to have hurt your feelings but, you see, in the absence of having any factual information to offer, I'd suggest staying numb is vastly superior to wild arse guessing. The only reason I'm here, is to point out the flippancy of posting such concocted drivel.


1. I'm sorry but it seems like you don't understand what discussion mean. But, you are welcome to leave this thread or the forums overall.
2. Instead of making useless judgements. I think you should start by providing us with "Factual Information" for any of your next comment. Otherwise you'll just ended up being a hypocrite now.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:29 am

If it cost them more than $250,000 to paint the airplane I would be shocked.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:46 am

Nowadays this is very common to see A/C sent for maintenance far from home. It actually is quite difficult to find available MRO’s that have the availability capacity to fit exactly into an airlines schedule.

Airlines source multiple suppliers all over the world and ultimately the work goes to the lowest bidder, and the schedule that works best. It’s why UA a/c are sent to XMN, B6/WN go to Aeroman in SAL, LA, AM, JJ have maintenance done in AUH etc.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:38 am

ewt340 wrote:
1. I'm sorry but it seems like you don't understand what discussion mean. But, you are welcome to leave this thread or the forums overall.
2. Instead of making useless judgements. I think you should start by providing us with "Factual Information" for any of your next comment. Otherwise you'll just ended up being a hypocrite now.


I understand perfectly well what a discussion is, namely exchanging points of view from a position of actual knowledge. Thus, this isn't a discussion but merely people with zero knowledge offering opinions based on nothing but assumptions. I appreciate we live in an ever fact-resistant world, but that doesn't mean we all just have to accept it. As for leaving these forums, I'd suggest that's hardly for you to decide on.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:23 pm

B777LRF wrote:
ewt340 wrote:
1. I'm sorry but it seems like you don't understand what discussion mean. But, you are welcome to leave this thread or the forums overall.
2. Instead of making useless judgements. I think you should start by providing us with "Factual Information" for any of your next comment. Otherwise you'll just ended up being a hypocrite now.


I understand perfectly well what a discussion is, namely exchanging points of view from a position of actual knowledge. Thus, this isn't a discussion but merely people with zero knowledge offering opinions based on nothing but assumptions. I appreciate we live in an ever fact-resistant world, but that doesn't mean we all just have to accept it. As for leaving these forums, I'd suggest that's hardly for you to decide on.


But the facts are there... you just need to know how to sift through the drivel.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:25 pm

777PHX wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Interesting. I’m very curious on this one and curious to see what more knowledgeable members on this site dig up on this.

Charter for the Pope is the only thing I could think of as a possibility to make sense of it. I know in the past it’s been pretty much solely on AZ only but have seen him on AA among a few others over the years as well. Who knows....


No, that doesn't make any sense. The Pope usually flies AZ to his destinations and then an airline of that country on the return trip. His trips are planned well ahead of time and publicized, it would be everywhere on the internet if he were coming to the US.

nope. the pope always flies az. callsign is az4000 and az4001.
az charters the pope (and staff) usually a321s or a332s.
not all the az crews are allowed to fly the pope.
and a lot of journalists travel with him. paying the ticket, btw - that was cleared by the pope's press office after some polemics about "the pope flies for free on az planes etc etc".
for in-country flights he may use local airlines. like last time in south america (or asia? don't remember) he married two f/as in the plane.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:45 pm

FatCat wrote:
777PHX wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Interesting. I’m very curious on this one and curious to see what more knowledgeable members on this site dig up on this.

Charter for the Pope is the only thing I could think of as a possibility to make sense of it. I know in the past it’s been pretty much solely on AZ only but have seen him on AA among a few others over the years as well. Who knows....


No, that doesn't make any sense. The Pope usually flies AZ to his destinations and then an airline of that country on the return trip. His trips are planned well ahead of time and publicized, it would be everywhere on the internet if he were coming to the US.

nope. the pope always flies az. callsign is az4000 and az4001.
az charters the pope (and staff) usually a321s or a332s.
not all the az crews are allowed to fly the pope.
and a lot of journalists travel with him. paying the ticket, btw - that was cleared by the pope's press office after some polemics about "the pope flies for free on az planes etc etc".
for in-country flights he may use local airlines. like last time in south america (or asia? don't remember) he married two f/as in the plane.
pope facts! :-D


That's incorrect.

On the pope's long distance trips, the tradition is that he flies AZ outbound and then an airline of the country he's visiting on the inbound.

Examples:

Francis flew on an AA 777-200 around the country and back to Rome when he visited the US back in 2015.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr- ... 377e91f8eb

John Paul 2 flew TWA home from STL back in 2000.

https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-plane ... 180961907/
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:45 pm

B777LRF wrote:
ewt340 wrote:
1. I'm sorry but it seems like you don't understand what discussion mean. But, you are welcome to leave this thread or the forums overall.
2. Instead of making useless judgements. I think you should start by providing us with "Factual Information" for any of your next comment. Otherwise you'll just ended up being a hypocrite now.


I understand perfectly well what a discussion is, namely exchanging points of view from a position of actual knowledge. Thus, this isn't a discussion but merely people with zero knowledge offering opinions based on nothing but assumptions. I appreciate we live in an ever fact-resistant world, but that doesn't mean we all just have to accept it. As for leaving these forums, I'd suggest that's hardly for you to decide on.


Might I suggest, ewt340, you leave the name-calling back in the sandbox. As to B777LRF’s comment, I have to say I see his point. The various reasons posed for this flight by the vast majority of people on this thread are nothing more than suppositions—opinions being offered with very little substance to back them up. His wry sarcasm was not only a comment on a.net, but our society as a whole. Our common discourse has been reduced to nothing more than people shouting unsubstantiated opinions at one another with little to zero factual information given on which such opinions are formulated. In teaching writing I ALWAYS insist that in order to have a rational and intelligent conversation, my students state the facts from which they are forming their opinions from. It is this supporting factual information that enables discussion and dialogue to take place. Arguing opinions with nothing to back them up is simply sanctimonious drivel; opinions are not facts and it’s pointless to argue simple opinions.

Now to the topic at hand. It sounds as if HALOGG has told us it is in fact a ferry flight for painting. Based on my back of the envelope calculations using today’s spot price for Jet-A of $2.109 and using, I’ll admit a flight sim planner, as a rough estimate a fuel load of 209,265 lbs of fuel = 31,234 gal. We get an approx fuel cost for the one-way ferry flight of ~$66,000.

Someone up-thread asked why they didn’t use VCV’s paint-shop. Using the same math as above a ferry to VCV looks to be ~$25,000.

Based on this one data point alone, depending on all the other costs associated with painting this aircraft—the work itself, crew pay, crew lodging and per firm, dead-heading cost, return flight to JFK to operate a revenue flight as it swaps out another aircraft going in for painting.... the cost of the one way ferry fuel cost difference of ~$41,000 would, in my estimation, be factored in to the overall business decision of wether having the work done in Rome makes both economic AND business sense.

Note also these aren’t even real numbers I’m using but quick and dirty calculations. I can easily believe that with all of the other variables involved that $41,000 difference in fuel cost wound up being made up for in myriad other ways and in the grand scheme of things it was decided the “extra” fuel cost vs having the work done elsewhere made sense.

If anyone else has some “quick and dirty” number— probably the main variable being the cost of painting a 332— we can probably see how this ferry absolutely makes sense.

That is how one backs up an opinion (in this case my opinion the ferry flight makes sense). Now I’ve given everyone some things they can argue with besides just my opinion. Discuss away.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:50 pm

didn't know.
always seen him on az's going and coming.
jp2 had quite a day on twa!
shepherd 1 is always the callsign regardless the airline btw!
stay tuned for more pope facts!
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:42 pm

GuillaumePhilly wrote:
B777LRF wrote:
ewt340 wrote:
1. I'm sorry but it seems like you don't understand what discussion mean. But, you are welcome to leave this thread or the forums overall.
2. Instead of making useless judgements. I think you should start by providing us with "Factual Information" for any of your next comment. Otherwise you'll just ended up being a hypocrite now.


I understand perfectly well what a discussion is, namely exchanging points of view from a position of actual knowledge. Thus, this isn't a discussion but merely people with zero knowledge offering opinions based on nothing but assumptions. I appreciate we live in an ever fact-resistant world, but that doesn't mean we all just have to accept it. As for leaving these forums, I'd suggest that's hardly for you to decide on.


Might I suggest, ewt340, you leave the name-calling back in the sandbox. As to B777LRF’s comment, I have to say I see his point. The various reasons posed for this flight by the vast majority of people on this thread are nothing more than suppositions—opinions being offered with very little substance to back them up. His wry sarcasm was not only a comment on a.net, but our society as a whole. Our common discourse has been reduced to nothing more than people shouting unsubstantiated opinions at one another with little to zero factual information given on which such opinions are formulated. In teaching writing I ALWAYS insist that in order to have a rational and intelligent conversation, my students state the facts from which they are forming their opinions from. It is this supporting factual information that enables discussion and dialogue to take place. Arguing opinions with nothing to back them up is simply sanctimonious drivel; opinions are not facts and it’s pointless to argue simple opinions.

Now to the topic at hand. It sounds as if HALOGG has told us it is in fact a ferry flight for painting. Based on my back of the envelope calculations using today’s spot price for Jet-A of $2.109 and using, I’ll admit a flight sim planner, as a rough estimate a fuel load of 209,265 lbs of fuel = 31,234 gal. We get an approx fuel cost for the one-way ferry flight of ~$66,000.

Someone up-thread asked why they didn’t use VCV’s paint-shop. Using the same math as above a ferry to VCV looks to be ~$25,000.

Based on this one data point alone, depending on all the other costs associated with painting this aircraft—the work itself, crew pay, crew lodging and per firm, dead-heading cost, return flight to JFK to operate a revenue flight as it swaps out another aircraft going in for painting.... the cost of the one way ferry fuel cost difference of ~$41,000 would, in my estimation, be factored in to the overall business decision of wether having the work done in Rome makes both economic AND business sense.

Note also these aren’t even real numbers I’m using but quick and dirty calculations. I can easily believe that with all of the other variables involved that $41,000 difference in fuel cost wound up being made up for in myriad other ways and in the grand scheme of things it was decided the “extra” fuel cost vs having the work done elsewhere made sense.

If anyone else has some “quick and dirty” number— probably the main variable being the cost of painting a 332— we can probably see how this ferry absolutely makes sense.

That is how one backs up an opinion (in this case my opinion the ferry flight makes sense). Now I’ve given everyone some things they can argue with besides just my opinion. Discuss away.


I think you need to call out B777LRF out for name calling instead of me. After all, you don't want to be a hypocrite yourself:

B777LRF wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
And how would anyone even remotely know the facts, unless if they had inside information from Hawaiian? If you have factual information or your own opinion, then please, share it. But if not, then you have nothing to say here.


Hit a sore spot there champ? Sorry to have hurt your feelings but, you see, in the absence of having any factual information to offer, I'd suggest staying numb is vastly superior to wild arse guessing. The only reason I'm here, is to point out the flippancy of posting such concocted drivel.
 
freakyrat
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:57 pm

HALOGG wrote:
It's going to Rome FCO for aircraft painting into the new livery. Some of our other aircraft are going to get painted in Peru, Indiana (GUS) and in Fort Worth,Texas (FTW) during the low season over the next month.


I was curious what was going on in Peru, IN for Skywest to be flying a couple of aircraft down from their South Bend , IN Maintenance Base. Looks like those aircraft were also going into the paintshop.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:09 pm

ewt340 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Not sure why, considering the distance is shorter than the advertised range for the aircraft with pax+bags....

The distance for this flight is 8,713 mi. Airbus advertises the range as 13,450 km. (8,358 mi.). Granted, that range is with a full payload, but regardless, it's still pushing the plane to it's limits...


The direct distance for this flight should be around 7000nm, A330-200 is listed to fly at maximum range of 7,200nm with passengers and bags (both bags inside the overhead bins and passengers checked bags in the cargo compartments).

But, the 7,200nm is calculated range with normal weather.

Maybe tailwind or less passengers and bags.


HA has the 238 t model that has a 6950nm range.
 
nikeherc
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Re: Hawaiian A330 HNL-FCO

Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:24 pm

Aircraft need regular repainting regardless of the livery. Striping the paint and identifying corrosion, minor damage, etc. is a very necessary process. Cost and availability go into the selection of the vendor. Dull, ratty looking planes do not inspire confidence.
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