LoneStarMike
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AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:26 pm

From the Boston Globe:

Jet passengers say man tried to open exit in flight
03/13/2002

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/072/metro/Jet_passengers_say_man_tried_to_open_exit_in_flight+.shtml

This whole story sounds fishy to me. First off, it says that the plane was 5 to 10 minutes into the flight when this incident happened, yet the plane was still only at 3,000 feet? Wouldn't it have been a little higher by then?

Then it goes on to say: Kramer said the flight attendants did not respond until after passengers had restrained the man in his seat.

''Fifty or 60 people in the back of the plane were either yelling, crying, or standing up to this guy,'' Kramer said.

This doesn't sound quite right to me, either. If 50 or 60 people are screaming, it shouldn't take more than a few seconds for a FA to reach the area to see what in the heck was going on.

Then it goes on to say: American Airlines spokeswoman Sonja Whitemon said a flight attendant's report stated that, ''Upon landing, the individual fell towards the emergency door'' after losing his balance. She said the attendants did not think he had tried to open it.

Didn't the article just say this happened shortly after take off?

The article continues -Massachusetts State Police and the Massport Emergency Medical Team said they received reports of an intoxicated person on the flight. The man was taken into custody for questioning when the plane landed, officials said. There was no mention of the emergency door in Massport's report.

Then it goes on to say Phil Orlandella, director of media relations at Logan, said no charges have been filed. ''The person they talked to wanted no medical assistance and didn't appear at all intoxicated,'' Orlandella said.

So was the guy drunk or wasn't he? Maybe he was having a senior moment? Maybe the controller who relayed the information got the story wrong? (like the ones in the Fire/Five Men post)  Smile Maybe the other passenger who gave details to the Boston Globe was exaggerating? Maybe the Boston Globe just totally screwed up the story?

It just seems weird because NOTHING in this story makes sense. Does anyone here who works for AA know what really happened on this flight?

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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Fri Mar 15, 2002 12:09 am

Perhaps he was a disgruntled ex-employee of Western Pacific, Vanguard, AirCal, Legend, Braniff, Reno, JetBlue, or any of the other carriers AA is trying to or did force into doing what they wanted.
 
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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Fri Mar 15, 2002 12:12 am

I agree LoneStar,
it does sound dodgy!5 to 10 minutes into flight it would be over 10k feet I would have thought easily.
 
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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Fri Mar 15, 2002 1:10 am

This article makes no sense whatsoever......
 
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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Fri Mar 15, 2002 1:19 am

Here's what I'm sure happened; Either the reporter was too lazy to check with the FAA to determine altitude or, more likely, simply took a passenger's completely clueless estimate as to how high the aircraft was.

A third possibility is that the American spokeswoman offered an incorrect assessment of the altitude.

In any case, I've become convinced hijacking as we know it is not possible... in the US at least. Anybody causing a ruckus on a jetliner now is instantly in for a 'Celebrity Death Match'.
 
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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Fri Mar 15, 2002 2:16 am

Anyway he would have been a

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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Fri Mar 15, 2002 2:23 am

10 minutes into flight, you can still be at 3,000 if ATC issues that as an initial altitude. With a lot of traffic, they may leave you fairly low until the traffic passes. I spent about 10 minutes motoring around chicago departure at 5,000 last week.

If I'm not mistaken, I think the initial altitude on the departure in BOS is 5,000 - I can't remember, but 99.999% of the time, the reporter that writes the story doesn't have much of a clue about aviation.

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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Fri Mar 15, 2002 2:28 am

3K is too low though for a usual SID traffic surely/
 
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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Fri Mar 15, 2002 2:28 am

I can see where it could have taken the crew a while to get to the passenger in question. Fifty to sixty people standing in the aisle, all trying to get their licks in are hard to get by!
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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Sun Mar 17, 2002 4:00 am

See! You can check for security physically, but not mentally.
 
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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Sun Mar 17, 2002 9:18 am

Sounds like the story is really mixed up....typical news media.
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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Sun Mar 17, 2002 10:40 am

IMHO, not at all fishy.

I agree with Delta737...
The aircraft taking off doesn't go immediately to the cruise altitude. It goes to a handoff altitude. St. Louis area we go to 2100, 2300 or 2500 feet then handed off to the tracon with would give us another altitude to the center which would give us our cruising altitude. I've been stuck at 2100 feet for more than ten minutes and have heard of TWA planes being stuck that low for a few mintues to avoid other traffic in the St. Louis area (like the corporate jets going into Spirit of the military traffic out of Bellville).

If it was that close to take-off than the flight attendants were probably still seated or just starting to get up to do their jobs.

It seems interesting that the crew did not elect to return to Miami. Maybe if he was drunk he could sober up on the long flight to Boston, helping in the appearance of non-intoxication.

"American Airlines spokeswoman Sonja Whitemon said a flight attendant's report stated that, ''Upon landing, the individual fell towards the emergency door'' after losing his balance. She said the attendants did not think he had tried to open it."

-I think the spokesperson meant that in the report made after landing, the flight attendants thought that the man lost his balance and fell on the door. What was he doing up right after takeoff anyway?
 
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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Sun Mar 17, 2002 12:49 pm

Anyone see that episode of CSI with "Las Vegas Air" and they beat the one passenger to death. Sounds a lot like that. Gee, think some of these passengers saw that episode and combined TV with reality?
 
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RE: AA Passenger Tries To Open Door In Flight

Sun Mar 17, 2002 5:56 pm

Acutally the CSI story is based on an actaul incident a few years ago. A passenger who tried to break into the cockpit during a Southwest Airlines flight was killed by other passengers who restrained him.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/southwest000916.html