david b.
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El AL Gps

Fri Mar 15, 2002 9:22 am

Does EL AL fly around the Arabian peninsula using GPS or does it have to be hand flown? Does the crew program waypoints into the FMC and the autopilot turns at that waypoint? Do they fly throught the airspace of non-arab countries in that area because the bodies of water on both sides seem pretty narrow.

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RE: El AL Gps

Fri Mar 15, 2002 11:29 pm

I think the area in the middle of the Red Sea is international waters/airspace, so LY a/c do not fly through the airspace of any other countries in the region.

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RE: El AL Gps

Sat Mar 16, 2002 12:21 am

Modern airplanes have several navigation systems.
In any flight the pilot enter the route plan into the computer and the autopilot fly the airplane waypoint to waypoint directly (unless “told” otherwise).
I don’t know if all El-Al airplanes have GPS (Their B744 are relative old) but I’m sore they use radio updating from radio station (VORs) in Arab countries.

I guess they fly exactly in the middle between Saudi Arabia and the African states.
The interesting question is whom are they talking with (ATC)?
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RE: El AL Gps

Sat Mar 16, 2002 2:23 am

Here's a discussion on Google groups from 1997, dealing with that question:

"From: newsdesk@snsnews.co.il (newsdesk@snsnews.co.il)
Subject: II-622 "Near EL AL Collision"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel, talk.politics.mideast
View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format
Date: 1997/01/05
SNS News Service "Near EL AL Collision" Time: 21:08H=
January 5, 1997.. 26 Teves 5757..Volume II, Number 622..Update
from Israel=20
Near Collision Between El Al, Egyptian Planes
The Saudi Royal Family=92s refusal to allow El Al aircraft to establish
aerial contact with control towers in Saudi Arabia almost caused an
aviation disaster recently when an El Al plane flying without aerial
coordination near Jeddah came close to colliding with an Egyptian plane
flying at exactly the same altitude toward it. A collision was averted
after the El Al pilot received warning from the emergency warning system.

Following the incident, the Ministry of Transport, the Israel Association
of Pilots and the Civil Aviation Authority are working at an internationa=
level to convince Saudi Arabia to enable aerial contact between El Al
aircraft and that country=92s control towers. (Bloomberg..1/5).



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