jamesag96
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Losing Radar...How Often Does This Happen?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 1:53 pm

Heard that Houston lost their radar capabilities for a bit tonight, delaying some flights. Curious as to how often something like that might happen, and if anyone knows what happened in HOU? Thanks.
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jhooper
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RE: Losing Radar...How Often Does This Happen?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:18 pm

It's happening more and more frequently. The FAA continues to operate 1960's technology in their radar rooms and is too slow to upgrade its equipment.
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BlatantEcho
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RE: Losing Radar...How Often Does This Happen?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:35 pm

From what I hear on the news and around here, JHooper is dead on.

The FAA is a very reactionary buerocracy, they wait for a crash to make ADs, and a bunch of airports need to loose radar a bunch of times before the FAA will even think of upgrading anything. Damn shame if you ask me, wish they would get on the ball, there are lots of inefficences to wring out of the system.
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jessman
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RE: Losing Radar...How Often Does This Happen?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:42 pm

It happens often enough that they have fairly efficient backup plans. I'd say I see a major radar blackout at a major airport on my system irregular operations page about 3-4 times a year. The last one I can remember being a problem for DL was BOS, but I can't remember when that was.
Minor (less than a couple of hours) radar blackouts or blackouts at not-so-busy airports happen I'd say about once a month or so. That might cancel a flight or two for DL.
I only know this becuase I like to check the DL system IRO page, usually there's a lot of good information there that will help throughout the day with trends of flight cancellations and such. Obviously they don't report things that don't affect DL operations, so there are probably a lot more outages that I don't notice.
I would suppose other airlines report about the same.
I don't know where to check statistics on things like these though.
Maybe there's a website?
 
rob2507
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RE: Losing Radar...How Often Does This Happen?

Sat Mar 16, 2002 12:05 am

In April of 2000, the terminal radar at BOS was blown over by gusty winds, although it wasn't particularly bad at the time (it should've been able to handle the conditions). The number of hourly operations at the airport was cut in half for a couple of days while the replacement was flown in on a C-17 from OKC, and I think it was at the end of April school vacation, so it was a real hassle here. CO actually flew in a DC-10 to make up for a couple of cancelled flights to EWR, see http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=080227 (Vasco, we miss you!!).
 
jamesag96
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RE: Losing Radar...How Often Does This Happen?

Sat Mar 16, 2002 1:23 am

I found it quite interesting that I was in the air about 20 minutes longer than usual. I know that is isn't much, but when the flight normally isn't much longer than 25 or so minutes I began to wonder. There we were circling around the Brazos Valley waiting to be cleared. Other than that was a great flight, despite chop at around 3K ft.

Might anyone know the exact reason it happened last night? Apparently it didn't last long.

Thanks
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