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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:00 pm

Bradin wrote:
Steering this topic back - does anyone know what DY actually did to get this aircraft operational again?


The plane is still sitting on the tarmac of SYZ and waiting for an engine to arrive. A few engineers came but were unable to repair the faulty engine.
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:55 pm

Thank you Dara88. Presume you're local to SYZ so your input as to the progress of the repair on here much appreciated.
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:10 pm

Something smells very fishy with this incident. There aren‘t any legal obstacles forbidding Norwegian to take their own spare parts to SYZ. Why is there such a tizzy? Any rational answer I can think of would qualify as a „conspiracy theory“. Within their operations airlines do enjoy immunity from any import/export/custums/taxes regulations becauce things do not get imported by foreign countries. Be it screw drivers or whiskey bottles or anything else.
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:13 pm

dara88 wrote:
Bradin wrote:
Steering this topic back - does anyone know what DY actually did to get this aircraft operational again?


The plane is still sitting on the tarmac of SYZ and waiting for an engine to arrive. A few engineers came but were unable to repair the faulty engine.


Thanks! It's going to be interesting to see how DY approaches logistics, governance, and politics given the embargoes upon Iran.
 
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Re: Norweigan 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:28 am

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stevend08 wrote:
Looks like Norweigan is sending a 738 from Oslo to pick up the stranded passengers at SYZ.

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 3460769792


I hope this flight wasn't fully booked, 186 in a 738 and 189 pax in a Norwegian Max 8. Bummer for al those travellers. I hope it is nothing too serious.


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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:18 pm

Latest photo taken today from the stranded plane, taken just today:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Br-JX90BDo0 ... _copy_link
Still waiting for the paperwork to be done for the engine importation.
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:33 pm

How many 737 MAXs has Norwegian in total?

Is provoking this issue with the LN-BKE of Norwegian stranded in Iran any difficulties in the Norwegian operation?
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:57 am

Gees.... I'm beginning to wonder whether it's easier to take a risk and send the flight to Doha or Dubai. (though it does beg the question if they can fly the bird safely on a single engine to either destination)
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:07 pm

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How many 737 MAXs has Norwegian in total?

Is provoking this issue with the LN-BKE of Norwegian stranded in Iran any difficulties in the Norwegian operation?


They have 15 Boeing 737 MAX 8 delivered of 100 ordered.

However they also have 131 Boeing 737-800 NG in service.
 
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Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:43 pm

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Gees.... I'm beginning to wonder whether it's easier to take a risk and send the flight to Doha or Dubai. (though it does beg the question if they can fly the bird safely on a single engine to either destination)

Even if it were allowed to take off on a single engine, Shiraz is not the place to do it.
The airfield is surrounded by mountains. I haven't been there since 1980!!, but in our B732 we had to take off, and then make three complete circuits over the airfield to gain height before heading off over continuous mountains to the Gulf. Then it was daylight operations only for us for 2 engined aircraft.
 
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Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:54 pm

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They have 15 Boeing 737 MAX 8 delivered of 100 ordered.

However they also have 131 Boeing 737-800 NG in service.


This jet affected by the engine issue was registered under the NAS AOC, so I believe wasn't used at all for TATL routes, which are all 737MAX registered under NAI?
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:52 pm

I understand the QRH says to divert to nearest suitable airport, but I've seen a FO (SW1380) divert to PHL when MDT was actually closer.

Southwest QRH Notes:
Nearest Airport - Nearest airport in point of time. Two airports of
different distances may be considered equal airports if a normal descent
requires the same amount of time to arrive at either airport. If persistent
smoke, fire or other potentially catastrophic situation is encountered, an
emergency descent may be appropriate, in which case the closer airport
may be the better choice.


What about time to burn fuel to get below MLW?
What if "nearest" suitable is somewhere in North Korea?
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Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:32 pm

FlyXLsa wrote:
I understand the QRH says to divert to nearest suitable airport, but I've seen a FO (SW1380) divert to PHL when MDT was actually closer.

Southwest QRH Notes:
Nearest Airport - Nearest airport in point of time. Two airports of
different distances may be considered equal airports if a normal descent
requires the same amount of time to arrive at either airport. If persistent
smoke, fire or other potentially catastrophic situation is encountered, an
emergency descent may be appropriate, in which case the closer airport
may be the better choice.


What about time to burn fuel to get below MLW?
What if "nearest" suitable is somewhere in North Korea?

I guess the note applies there as well. You land there in a potentially catastrophic situation but probably not for a single engine failure. Besides, a normal descent profile should get you over the border from anywhere in NK (if it is even permitted to overfly NK). In a fire - like SR111 - you'd land at th closest place that permits a survivable landing. Closest considering the descent, though; there is little reason to aim for the one right beneath you. Which the note implies as well.
 
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Norwegian 737MAX after three weeks still in Iran

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:36 pm

A Norwegian 737 MAX 8 which had to divert to Shiraz is after three weeks still on the tarmac, the problem still hasn't been solved.
Source: http://www.arabnews.com/node/1430351/middle-east

Several issues:
- Unscheduled landing due to engine issues at first
- Imposed international restrictions seem to make it impossible for Norwegian to send spare parts to Iran
- Passengers might have to deal with the exclusion of the US visa waiver program

I couldn't find any news about the exact engine issues. Maybe someone knows this better.
What influence does this have on Norwegian's operations I wonder, other than the incurring (capital) costs. Imho, the technicians over there might not be certified to repair the state of the art MAX, would that also impose a problem, or does Norwegian send its own technicians in such case? The article mentions that Norwegian's technicians are dealing with it. Are there any other examples of such a thing happening in any part of the world? How was it solved at these cases?

The thread about the actual diversion itself is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1410665&p=20966059&hilit=norwegian#p20966059

Please stick to the topic and try not to take a too political point of view.
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:20 pm

Well if they are waiting from approval from a USA Govt official it may take a while with the shutdown?
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:49 pm

Four parts to the equation:
1. People. Specialist technical and security personnel entering Iran.
2. Knowledge. Transfer to locals not permitted.
3. Parts. New components in, and all used / unused out again.
4. Manuals. Geo-blocked to Iran, so hard copy in, protection and removal on completion.

OEM's involved are trying to remove road blocks, but for US, an opportunity to highlight the consequences of conducting any sort of transaction with Iran. Anti-Norwegian US3 and EU3 stirring the pot too?

Norwegian should file an insurance claim for total loss due to inability to repair / get back into service, and see how quickly the i's are dotted and t's crossed in the US, when there is a risk the aircraft could be abandoned.
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:59 pm

smartplane wrote:
Four parts to the equation:
1. People. Specialist technical and security personnel entering Iran.
2. Knowledge. Transfer to locals not permitted.
3. Parts. New components in, and all used / unused out again.
4. Manuals. Geo-blocked to Iran, so hard copy in, protection and removal on completion.

OEM's involved are trying to remove road blocks, but for US, an opportunity to highlight the consequences of conducting any sort of transaction with Iran. Anti-Norwegian US3 and EU3 stirring the pot too?

Norwegian should file an insurance claim for total loss due to inability to repair / get back into service, and see how quickly the i's are dotted and t's crossed in the US, when there is a risk the aircraft could be abandoned.

People would be the easiest, except that they would not qualify for the visa waiver program anymore afterwards. People and their knowledge are not subject to export restrictions, and they can use that knowledge to work on stuff, although they might not be allowed to transfer that knowledge in any form to citizens of Iran (e. g. teach coworkers or sketch technical drawings).
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:24 pm

mxaxai wrote:
smartplane wrote:
Four parts to the equation:
1. People. Specialist technical and security personnel entering Iran.
2. Knowledge. Transfer to locals not permitted.
3. Parts. New components in, and all used / unused out again.
4. Manuals. Geo-blocked to Iran, so hard copy in, protection and removal on completion.

OEM's involved are trying to remove road blocks, but for US, an opportunity to highlight the consequences of conducting any sort of transaction with Iran. Anti-Norwegian US3 and EU3 stirring the pot too?

Norwegian should file an insurance claim for total loss due to inability to repair / get back into service, and see how quickly the i's are dotted and t's crossed in the US, when there is a risk the aircraft could be abandoned.

People and their knowledge are not subject to export restrictions, and they can use that knowledge to work on stuff, although they might not be allowed to transfer that knowledge in any form to citizens of Iran (e. g. teach coworkers or sketch technical drawings).

Depending on your country of departure, nationality, employer and occupation (energy, aerospace, military...) if your ultimate destination is Iran, you will certainly be 'flagged' for questioning before departure, receive special attention on return, and your employer notified.
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:09 pm

mxaxai wrote:
smartplane wrote:
Four parts to the equation:
1. People. Specialist technical and security personnel entering Iran.
2. Knowledge. Transfer to locals not permitted.
3. Parts. New components in, and all used / unused out again.
4. Manuals. Geo-blocked to Iran, so hard copy in, protection and removal on completion.

OEM's involved are trying to remove road blocks, but for US, an opportunity to highlight the consequences of conducting any sort of transaction with Iran. Anti-Norwegian US3 and EU3 stirring the pot too?

Norwegian should file an insurance claim for total loss due to inability to repair / get back into service, and see how quickly the i's are dotted and t's crossed in the US, when there is a risk the aircraft could be abandoned.

People would be the easiest, except that they would not qualify for the visa waiver program anymore afterwards. People and their knowledge are not subject to export restrictions, and they can use that knowledge to work on stuff, although they might not be allowed to transfer that knowledge in any form to citizens of Iran (e. g. teach coworkers or sketch technical drawings).


From a few months ago, people entering Iran can opt not to get their passports stamped. So nobody will find out if you have been there or not.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:21 am

dara88 wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
smartplane wrote:
Four parts to the equation:
1. People. Specialist technical and security personnel entering Iran.
2. Knowledge. Transfer to locals not permitted.
3. Parts. New components in, and all used / unused out again.
4. Manuals. Geo-blocked to Iran, so hard copy in, protection and removal on completion.

OEM's involved are trying to remove road blocks, but for US, an opportunity to highlight the consequences of conducting any sort of transaction with Iran. Anti-Norwegian US3 and EU3 stirring the pot too?

Norwegian should file an insurance claim for total loss due to inability to repair / get back into service, and see how quickly the i's are dotted and t's crossed in the US, when there is a risk the aircraft could be abandoned.

People would be the easiest, except that they would not qualify for the visa waiver program anymore afterwards. People and their knowledge are not subject to export restrictions, and they can use that knowledge to work on stuff, although they might not be allowed to transfer that knowledge in any form to citizens of Iran (e. g. teach coworkers or sketch technical drawings).


From a few months ago, people entering Iran can opt not to get their passports stamped. So nobody will find out if you have been there or not.

US Government agencies know from ticket data and departure / arrival information supplied by participating countries, unless you smuggle yourself in and out of Iran.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:35 pm

Aren't there any recent events with similar circumstances that we could compare how the situation was handled?

Do airline insurances cover this type of situations in case of diversions?
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:51 pm

"Mechanical Breakdown" is a common exclusion in Aircraft Hull Insurance. That being said, it is a highly specialized field and that the Risk Managers at Norwegian would have failed to weigh and address the risks of flying over Iranian Airspace is hard for me to imagine. That they continue to fly this route today must have some meaning. I'm not familiar with the logistics of obtaining, transporting and replacing a CFM Leap 1B Engine, but that it is in Iran only adds to the complexity. I've not seen a similar situation we can draw any definitive conclusions from and Norwegian is making only carefully crafted statements which seem to be intentionally nebulous.
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:53 pm

smartplane wrote:
dara88 wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
People would be the easiest, except that they would not qualify for the visa waiver program anymore afterwards. People and their knowledge are not subject to export restrictions, and they can use that knowledge to work on stuff, although they might not be allowed to transfer that knowledge in any form to citizens of Iran (e. g. teach coworkers or sketch technical drawings).


From a few months ago, people entering Iran can opt not to get their passports stamped. So nobody will find out if you have been there or not.

US Government agencies know from ticket data and departure / arrival information supplied by participating countries, unless you smuggle yourself in and out of Iran.


Indeed, though many just use a different passport.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:57 pm

smartplane wrote:
dara88 wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
People would be the easiest, except that they would not qualify for the visa waiver program anymore afterwards. People and their knowledge are not subject to export restrictions, and they can use that knowledge to work on stuff, although they might not be allowed to transfer that knowledge in any form to citizens of Iran (e. g. teach coworkers or sketch technical drawings).


From a few months ago, people entering Iran can opt not to get their passports stamped. So nobody will find out if you have been there or not.

US Government agencies know from ticket data and departure / arrival information supplied by participating countries, unless you smuggle yourself in and out of Iran.

I think those countries are few. Maybe we shouldn't watch too many action movies. Sweden (a country I know very well), for example, for sure would not disburse that information to the US on a routine basis.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:15 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
smartplane wrote:
dara88 wrote:

From a few months ago, people entering Iran can opt not to get their passports stamped. So nobody will find out if you have been there or not.

US Government agencies know from ticket data and departure / arrival information supplied by participating countries, unless you smuggle yourself in and out of Iran.

I think those countries are few. Maybe we shouldn't watch too many action movies. Sweden (a country I know very well), for example, for sure would not disburse that information to the US on a routine basis.

It is disclosed for passengers on a routine basis where their ultimate destination is Iran, or they have transacted with Iran, or have made payments to / received from Iran. And where it's not disclosed, there is always Five Eyes.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:52 pm

smartplane wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
smartplane wrote:
US Government agencies know from ticket data and departure / arrival information supplied by participating countries, unless you smuggle yourself in and out of Iran.

I think those countries are few. Maybe we shouldn't watch too many action movies. Sweden (a country I know very well), for example, for sure would not disburse that information to the US on a routine basis.

It is disclosed for passengers on a routine basis where their ultimate destination is Iran, or they have transacted with Iran, or have made payments to / received from Iran. And where it's not disclosed, there is always Five Eyes.

Not in Sweden... And I am sure there are many other countries where Iran is seen as just another destination country.
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:58 pm

smartplane wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
smartplane wrote:
US Government agencies know from ticket data and departure / arrival information supplied by participating countries, unless you smuggle yourself in and out of Iran.

I think those countries are few. Maybe we shouldn't watch too many action movies. Sweden (a country I know very well), for example, for sure would not disburse that information to the US on a routine basis.

It is disclosed for passengers on a routine basis where their ultimate destination is Iran, or they have transacted with Iran, or have made payments to / received from Iran. And where it's not disclosed, there is always Five Eyes.


We are going off-topic actually but FYI, there is no way to send/receive any kind of payment to/from Iran.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:48 pm

Does British Airways follow a different procedure regarding diversions to Iranian Airports?

"A British Airways Boeing 777-200, registration G-VIIA performing flight BA-199 (dep July 11th) from London Heathrow (UK) to Mumbai (India) with 197 passengers and 17 crew, was enroute at FL370 about 170nm south of Baku (Azerbaijan) in Iranian air space when the crew decided to divert to Baku after needing to shut the left hand engine (GE90) down. The aircraft landed safely on Baku's runway 16 about 70 minutes later."*

*avherald.com/h?article=4bb10768&opt=769
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:30 pm

"Norwegian Air’s spokesperson admitted the airline “had never before dealt with regulations on the ground in Iran” and that “paperwork for anything from getting engineers to spare parts” was taking a very long time."

https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2019/0...tmare-in-iran/
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:16 pm

Is the 737 MAX still in Shiraz? No news updates anymore as I see it. I'll guess they are waiting for a waiver from the US to transport spare parts to Iran.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:05 pm

LewisNEO wrote:
Is the 737 MAX still in Shiraz? No news updates anymore as I see it. I'll guess they are waiting for a waiver from the US to transport spare parts to Iran.


Yeap, still in Shiraz.
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:36 pm

I'm sure they did dara88, was an opportunity to show that in Iran hospitality is still to be had in times of need.
Just a thought - FlyDubai operate to SYZ and are also a Max operator. Could Norwegian do some sort of deal to get a few engineers over there with some equipment and a spare engine from DXB ? What could the US do about that ?
 
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TC957 wrote:
Just a thought - FlyDubai operate to SYZ and are also a Max operator. Could Norwegian do some sort of deal to get a few engineers over there with some equipment and a spare engine from DXB ? What could the US do about that ?

Embargo busting US sanctions wouldn't do much for EK's desire for greater US access. And a breach of lease too.
 
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This goes to show how crazy the American sanctions are.

How much would the weekly lease cost of a 737-8MAX be? The lease has to be paid, regardless of the aircraft's airworthyness.
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:12 am

FlyXLsa wrote:
Does British Airways follow a different procedure regarding diversions to Iranian Airports?

"A British Airways Boeing 777-200, registration G-VIIA performing flight BA-199 (dep July 11th) from London Heathrow (UK) to Mumbai (India) with 197 passengers and 17 crew, was enroute at FL370 about 170nm south of Baku (Azerbaijan) in Iranian air space when the crew decided to divert to Baku after needing to shut the left hand engine (GE90) down. The aircraft landed safely on Baku's runway 16 about 70 minutes later."*

*avherald.com/h?article=4bb10768&opt=769


looking at gcmap, the nearest Iranian airport would be further away than Baku in that case. So why divert to Iran when diverting Azerbaijan is presumably less troublesome?
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:37 pm

OlafW wrote:
looking at gcmap, the nearest Iranian airport would be further away than Baku in that case. So why divert to Iran when diverting Azerbaijan is presumably less troublesome?


I was looking at a subsequent flight path that passes very near Tehran.
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smartplane wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Just a thought - FlyDubai operate to SYZ and are also a Max operator. Could Norwegian do some sort of deal to get a few engineers over there with some equipment and a spare engine from DXB ? What could the US do about that ?

Embargo busting US sanctions wouldn't do much for EK's desire for greater US access. And a breach of lease too.

EK aren't exactly expanding in the US now, plus it was FlyDubai I was referring to that flew to SYZ and has the Max's in their fleet.
And how do you know the lease terms state categorically that if you find the plane AOG in Iran, don't call us ?
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:20 pm

Some party is taking a financial hit from this incident. If the lease has a force majeure clause, Norwegian might just escape a close call. I doubt insurance covers mechanical breakdown which was the precipitating event. Warranty coverage, implied or written, generally doesn't extend to consequential damages. Landing in Iran has created a legal and political mess that is unlikely to resolved soon.
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:52 pm

This isn't a car/truck or iPhone. Typically the builder of the airframe installs the engines selected by the customer. The customer may even have a separate contract for maintenance and/or monitoring of the engine directly with the manufacturer of said engine. It's all a bit more complex in big expensive things. For example in a Yacht the warranty for the motor is fulfilled by a engine manufacturer like CAT or Volvo. Same principle with many RV's.
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:45 pm

Ok... so Boeing has some Q.C. issues that other manufacturers likely have as well?
A bit of Thread Drift here as the original topic is a 737MAX with an Engine Oil Issue that landed in Iran.
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:56 pm

The only way I would ever put a plane on the ground in Iran is if my wing fell off or I was on fire. An engine failure is NOT a reason to land in Iran.
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:10 pm

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The only way I would ever put a plane on the ground in Iran is if my wing fell off or I was on fire. An engine failure is NOT a reason to land in Iran.


That argument seems to center one's interpretation of "land at nearest suitable airport" vs. "land immediately..." as in the fire you reference. I can cite numerous examples of Captains that have selected a diversion airport for what would seem to be economic, familiarity or other reasons - some good calls, some bad calls IMO. I would have pointed in the direction of KWI and s-l-o-w-l-y worked the checklist while I burned off some fuel. While this might not have been exactly "by the book", I'm sure my passengers and suits in management would have preferred I do just that and the risks of doing so minimal?
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:17 pm

FlyXLsa wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
The only way I would ever put a plane on the ground in Iran is if my wing fell off or I was on fire. An engine failure is NOT a reason to land in Iran.


That argument seems to center one's interpretation of "land at nearest suitable airport" vs. "land immediately..." as in the fire you reference. I can cite numerous examples of Captains that have selected a diversion airport for what would seem to be economic, familiarity or other reasons - some good calls, some bad calls IMO. I would have pointed in the direction of KWI and s-l-o-w-l-y worked the checklist while I burned off some fuel. While this might not have been exactly "by the book", I'm sure my passengers and suits in management would have preferred I do just that and the risks of doing so minimal?


My manual lists countries that will only be diverted to if continued flight is no longer an option. Posters on this board would be surprised at who’s on that list. When you are flying internationally nearest suitable airport has a much broader definition than it does within ones own country. I can promise you that if I overflew Iran with an engine failure the FAA and the company would not even ask me why.
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:20 pm

It's now already a month since the incident and the aircraft was still grounded in Iran.
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:29 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
My manual lists countries that will only be diverted to if continued flight is no longer an option. Posters on this board would be surprised at who’s on that list. When you are flying internationally nearest suitable airport has a much broader definition than it does within ones own country. I can promise you that if I overflew Iran with an engine failure the FAA and the company would not even ask me why.


I agree completely and that would explain why we see BA, LH and DY continue to overfly over the region. I have no doubt the aviation professionals and people of Iran are wonderful to deal with, but the logistics and politics make this scenario a nightmare.
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:35 pm

FlyXLsa wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
My manual lists countries that will only be diverted to if continued flight is no longer an option. Posters on this board would be surprised at who’s on that list. When you are flying internationally nearest suitable airport has a much broader definition than it does within ones own country. I can promise you that if I overflew Iran with an engine failure the FAA and the company would not even ask me why.


I agree completely and that would explain why we see BA, LH and DY continue to overfly over the region. I have no doubt the aviation professionals and people of Iran are wonderful to deal with, but the logistics and politics make this a scenario a nightmare.


Geographically Iran can't be avoided without loss of economic profit and in some cases even politics. Look at Qatar Airways and imagine if they wouldn't/ couldn't use Iranian airspace, how else would they get to their destinations? They could, but with lots of economical loss.

Remember the time when Iraq was a no-fly zone and all airlines used Iranian airspace? Iran is the best economic air-route to connect east and west and not to mention one of the safest. The fact that Norwegian is in trouble is not Iran's fault, but is merely the cause of US bullying!
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:58 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
The only way I would ever put a plane on the ground in Iran is if my wing fell off or I was on fire. An engine failure is NOT a reason to land in Iran.


Don't ever become a pilot. An engine failure, especially incidents like this prove otherwise.
 
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Re: Norwegian 737 Max Diverts to Shiraz, Iran

Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:17 pm

sonicruiser wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
The only way I would ever put a plane on the ground in Iran is if my wing fell off or I was on fire. An engine failure is NOT a reason to land in Iran.


Don't ever become a pilot. An engine failure, especially incidents like this prove otherwise.


Care to expand on why you know better than I do?

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