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HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:09 am

Please continue from last year's discussion.

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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:00 pm

Hello,

9H-MIP had is transponder ON this morning until some minutes ago.

Does anyone knows if it´s preparing to leave BYJ (Beja) to some "client" or it´s anything else?

Thank you.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:31 pm

I’ve heard it’s been been leased out for July & August by a Tour Operator in Asia to operate Hajj pilgrimage flights.

Likely will be full every rotation that it does.

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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:34 am

OMAAbound wrote:
I’ve heard it’s been been leased out for July & August by a Tour Operator in Asia to operate Hajj pilgrimage flights.

I really hope for HiFly they will find some jobs even before July 2019. :scratchchin:

I always thought that flying cruise ship passengers would be an interesting market. I remember a picture with about four Air Pullmantur B747s at an airport in Norway, transporting passengers to / from a cruise ship tour. But seems that HiFly doesn't make these kind of operations...
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:53 am

N14AZ wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:
I’ve heard it’s been been leased out for July & August by a Tour Operator in Asia to operate Hajj pilgrimage flights.

I really hope for HiFly they will find some jobs even before July 2019. :scratchchin:

I always thought that flying cruise ship passengers would be an interesting market. I remember a picture with about four Air Pullmantur B747s at an airport in Norway, transporting passengers to / from a cruise ship tour. But seems that HiFly doesn't make these kind of operations...


I think if they had any sense, they’d take out ‘Suites Class’ and replace them with more Economy Seats. Not only is ‘Suite Class’ extremely heavy, but I feel that it would be more attractive to companies interested in leasing the aircraft with more economy seats in.

Personally, if they did such a thing, I think it would be very attractive to U.K. airlines operating flights too MCO in the peak school seasons.

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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:14 am

What is their A380 doing for Jan and Feb?
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:41 am

OMAAbound wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:
I’ve heard it’s been been leased out for July & August by a Tour Operator in Asia to operate Hajj pilgrimage flights.

I really hope for HiFly they will find some jobs even before July 2019. :scratchchin:

I always thought that flying cruise ship passengers would be an interesting market. I remember a picture with about four Air Pullmantur B747s at an airport in Norway, transporting passengers to / from a cruise ship tour. But seems that HiFly doesn't make these kind of operations...


I think if they had any sense, they’d take out ‘Suites Class’ and replace them with more Economy Seats. Not only is ‘Suite Class’ extremely heavy, but I feel that it would be more attractive to companies interested in leasing the aircraft with more economy seats in.

Personally, if they did such a thing, I think it would be very attractive to U.K. airlines operating flights too MCO in the peak school seasons.

OMAA


They don't want to spend any extra money to do the re-configruation, which can be very expensive to do so.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:58 am

Any idea what the 2 recent flights were all about, on the 25th? 2 low level flights showing decent around Lisbon and back to Beja... were these fly by demo flights? any ideas when we'll see this bird operating for someone again, any rumours circulating?
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:08 am

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
Any idea what the 2 recent flights were all about, on the 25th? 2 low level flights showing decent around Lisbon and back to Beja... were these fly by demo flights? any ideas when we'll see this bird operating for someone again, any rumours circulating?

Probably training flights.

ACMI operators don't fly relentlessly. They are there to provide a standby or surge capacity function for other airlines, as well as charter work. The high fees these planes earn in the good times of summer or operating for an airline in need of extra lift pays for the time they sit around doing nothing. As long as they do some work, it is perfectly acceptable to spend a while in low season parked up.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:07 pm

Looks like the HiFly A380 is going to be busy this summer:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinrive ... eefs-a380/
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:48 pm

FromAndyEastMids link:

Asked about the performance of Hi Fly’s A380 investment to date, Mirpuri said the aircraft had a “very strong start” but it will be another “two or three years” before the business case is proven financially.


My take, they are not ready to buy another. :(
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:02 pm

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My take, they are not ready to buy another. :(


Think you missed a pretty crucial quote at the end of the article:

The second [A380] will be a lot easier, so we will be driven by market demand. And we will need to have one full year of operation before we decide about the next one, and the third one, and the fourth one.


Granted, they're not after another immediately, but second hand availability is hardly going to be sparse. Talking about a fleet of potentially 4 is a good sign for a second frame, at least.
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:31 pm

AndyEastMids wrote:
Looks like the HiFly A380 is going to be busy this summer:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinrive ... eefs-a380/

I wonder if this might be that Asian customer they were talking about last year...
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:16 am

BA at a guess
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:39 am

Gazdon121 wrote:
BA at a guess

Doubt it. This will likely be a new operator.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:02 pm

It sure sounds like BA in my opinion. The only thing that doesn't like BA is that it will also be flying to South America.

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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:46 pm

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It sure sounds like BA in my opinion. The only thing that doesn't like BA is that it will also be flying to South America.

A388

The routes he suggests do sound like a European operator, but I'd rather bet on something like Corsair.

No existing A380 operator will lease through HiFly when they could simply reshuffle their own fleet (or buy MH's birds if they really feel like they don't have enough). No large legacy carrier (e. g. IB) has a use for a single aircraft of a type. No small legacy carrier (e. g. LOT) has the market to fill an A380. No legacy carrier has routes that match this low frequency, high volume type of operation that comes with just a single jet.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:22 pm

Corsair would be my guess too, but I wonder how many destinations Corsair fly to are A380 capable.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:42 pm

A388 wrote:
It sure sounds like BA in my opinion. The only thing that doesn't like BA is that it will also be flying to South America.

A388


BA is leasing in an Air Belgium A343 instead for Newark (BA185/4). As for the Hi Fly lease, are they paying when 9H-MIP is parked at BYJ?
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:47 pm

I guess Dr Peters still has 2 available frames -but how long will they keep them from the scrapper?
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:51 pm

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Corsair would be my guess too, but I wonder how many destinations Corsair fly to are A380 capable.



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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:52 pm

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Corsair would be my guess too, but I wonder how many destinations Corsair fly to are A380 capable.


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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:20 pm

It can't be Corsair. To my knowledge they don't fly to South America and India and Asia(?)

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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:16 am

The way i read the article is that he was describing the a380 as a long hauler and the typical flights it would fly were given, i didn't take this as an indication of the routes to be operated over the summer though?

interesting none the less, lets wait and see!

maybe Turkish trying it out before ordering a dozen :rotfl:
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:40 am

BWA900 wrote:
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Corsair would be my guess too, but I wonder how many destinations Corsair fly to are A380 capable.



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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:38 pm

It strikes me that he was talking about the aircraft's best-fit, not the actual routes which it will be operating for their customer.

I wonder if this could be ANA, to support their forthcoming delivery on HNL operations.
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:43 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
My take, they are not ready to buy another. :(


Think you missed a pretty crucial quote at the end of the article:

The second [A380] will be a lot easier, so we will be driven by market demand. And we will need to have one full year of operation before we decide about the next one, and the third one, and the fourth one.


Granted, they're not after another immediately, but second hand availability is hardly going to be sparse. Talking about a fleet of potentially 4 is a good sign for a second frame, at least.

I agree, that second quote is far more telling. It is widely believed that TAP was one of the customers that was interested for their LIS-GRU route but they were unable to receive permission to operate the A380 at LIS. This month however an expansion to LIS was announced and with it the news that the A380 will be allowed to operate at LIS.. This tells me that sooner of later one of their A380's will be operating for TAP. When the airport will allow regular A380 operations I don't know for sure but I think 2021 is the date a heard.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:01 am

I'll put my 2 cents on JL or NH.
To wetlease a premium configured A380 for an entire summer, you need to have serious capital and a very high yield market. It has Japan written all over it. Perhaps JL want to see how it performs.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:28 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
I'll put my 2 cents on JL or NH.
To wetlease a premium configured A380 for an entire summer, you need to have serious capital and a very high yield market. It has Japan written all over it. Perhaps JL want to see how it performs.


Hifly's configuration is totally unrealistic for either JL and NH by making reference to how they configure their long haul 77W and 787.
They only have around 200 economy seats at most while they have 76 F & J seats for the most premium configuration.
While Hifly's 380 only has 72 F & J seats but 369 in Y+ & Y,
it means not much premium capacities can be generated but they have a lot more economy seats to sell.
So I highly doubt either JL and NH is interested for such a wetlease.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:04 am

LIS still not allowed for A380 operation ?
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:57 am

hongkongflyer wrote:
it means not much premium capacities can be generated but they have a lot more economy seats to sell.
So I highly doubt either JL and NH is interested for such a wetlease.


So perfect for a holiday route.
Eg. NRT-HNL
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:09 am

mxaxai wrote:
A388 wrote:
It sure sounds like BA in my opinion. The only thing that doesn't like BA is that it will also be flying to South America.

A388

The routes he suggests do sound like a European operator, but I'd rather bet on something like Corsair.

Maybe I am reading his words incorrectly but he said:

"The market is mainly Europe to the U.S., Europe to the Indic [Indian Ocean], Europe to Asia, Europe to South America.

He said "the market" and I think he meant this in general for 9H-MPI, not the operator that will use it this summer season.

Last year when we speculated about the operator (it turned out to be Norwegian) someone mentioned that there have been talks between HiFly and Swiss... We shall see.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:08 am

N14AZ wrote:

Last year when we speculated about the operator (it turned out to be Norwegian) someone mentioned that there have been talks between HiFly and Swiss... We shall see.



We'll I wouldn't say its not possible, but my guess is that it won't be Swiss.... Inconsistent product compared to the regular fleet, and this is something Swiss cares about.( hence the 5 remaining A340's being refurbished right now)
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:17 am

DALCE wrote:
N14AZ wrote:

Last year when we speculated about the operator (it turned out to be Norwegian) someone mentioned that there have been talks between HiFly and Swiss... We shall see.



We'll I wouldn't say its not possible, but my guess is that it won't be Swiss.... Inconsistent product compared to the regular fleet, and this is something Swiss cares about.( hence the 5 remaining A340's being refurbished right now)

Neither do I believe it's Swiss. I just wanted to mention it. Would be strange, one single aircraft with a special configuaration on a particular route. Too risky and many dissapointed passengers in case 9H-MIP has a technical issue. And as you say, that's something Swiss cares about.

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