ctbarnes
Posts: 3269
Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2000 2:20 pm

AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Thu Mar 21, 2002 7:46 am

I came across this article from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/03/20/ohare.security.ap/index.html

If the Federal Government is now in charge of airport security, why did American pull the plug on Argenbright and not the Federal Government? Not that I'm shedding any tears, mind you, but the whole thing seems a little strange in light of the Federal Government's assumption of responsiblity for airport security last month.

Any light you can shed will be appreciated.

Thanks!

Charles, SJ
The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
 
flashmeister
Posts: 2671
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2000 4:32 am

RE: AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Thu Mar 21, 2002 7:54 am

The feds _did_ pull Argenbright -- part of the new TSA setup is that where contractors are used, the feds approve the contracts, and they've already said that Argenbright will not be used. Period.
 
ctbarnes
Posts: 3269
Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2000 2:20 pm

RE: AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:04 am

Flashmeister,

What you say makes perfect sense, and it's how I would expect such action to be taken. Yet the headline said it was American who did the replacing. Did CNN get it wrong (quite probable)?

Charles, SJ
The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
 
baec777
Posts: 1232
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 1999 5:01 am

RE: AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:08 am

All airport securities & national guards under a new agency, MERGER !!!!!!! Caption read on bottom of screen on CNN & MSNBC.

baec
 
GD727
Posts: 899
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2002 7:33 am

RE: AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:13 am


Did the FAA finally get rid of Argenbright? It's about time! The FAA gave Argenbright a second chance, even after 9-11, but did Argenbright improve? Nope. They were kicked out of BOS a couple of months ago.
Mmmm forbidden donut.
 
LH423
Posts: 5868
Joined: Sun Jul 11, 1999 6:27 am

RE: AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:48 am

Actually, GD727, they weren't kicked out of BOS. They were given an ultimatum that said you leave BOS or we'll revoke your licence to perform ANY security in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, airport or otherwise.

LH423
« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
 
jettblasterp
Posts: 202
Joined: Mon May 01, 2000 12:25 pm

RE: AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Thu Mar 21, 2002 12:13 pm

They way the contracts work for now is:

The airlines hire the security company. The airlines pays the security bills. The airlines bills the TSA. The TSA pays the airline. End result: the TSA pays for the security company. The TSA makes the rules now and the TSA decides what goes on planes. The airlines were always the ones with the final decisions, now it is TSA.
This is most likely the way it will run until the TSA can replace the contracted workers with its own TSA employees. This will take a very long time. It is not easy to start a new department of government.  Smile
 
AA717driver
Posts: 1502
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2002 8:27 am

RE: AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:20 pm

Jettblaster--Re:"It is not easy to start a new department of government." Yeah, first you have to get that 5:1 manager to grunt ratio going...TC
FL450, M.85
 
ctbarnes
Posts: 3269
Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2000 2:20 pm

RE: AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Thu Mar 21, 2002 2:03 pm

Thanks for the replies! It makes sense now.

Charles, SJ
The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
 
ha2vegas
Posts: 147
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2001 1:02 pm

RE: AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Thu Mar 21, 2002 2:03 pm

You've almost got it, Jetblasterp. The actual rule is this:
At all airports where security vendors have contracts with the Feds, the TSA is billed directly by the vendor and the airlines are no longer billed.

At airports where the vendor does not have a contract with the TSA, the airlines are billed and are reimbursed by the Feds. The Feds will not enter into any contracts with Argenbright (because they are the chosen scapegoat, no other reason) so when AA decides to dump Argenbright, the TSA will select a new vendor and will be directly billed.

Argenbright will eventually be replaced at all airports, but this will likely result in a management change only. Front line personnel are likely to remain the same until the Fed guidelines, training and selection are all in place in November of 2002.
 
jettblasterp
Posts: 202
Joined: Mon May 01, 2000 12:25 pm

RE: AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD

Fri Mar 22, 2002 6:24 am

Ha2vegas:

I know the vendor we have at my airport is supposed to have a contract with our screening company. However, our cooperate security is still receiving bills from them. We just bill the Govt what they bill us, plus more for doing the gate sceening if we have to do it as well as GSC coverage.
I totally agree with your opinion on Aregenbright. They did nothing wrong on the 11th. Massport just needed to blame someone even though Massport had nothing to do with it either!