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Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:54 am

I'm planning a trip to Sydney this August 1-14 on Qantas out of LAX and the ticket prices, so far, are in the $1300 range. Why would ticket prices be so high for winter down there and where/when could I find cheaper airfare?

Thanks!
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airplanetire
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:04 am

I don't know if you'll find anything much cheaper. I've looked a lot at airfares to Australia from LAX, and that's lower than anything I've ever seen. I haven't been there before (wish I had!), but I have checked airfare out of curiosity. Remember, it's a 14.5 hour flight going there and something like a 13.5 hour coming back. That's a long time to fly, so that means more fuel, and more crew. That all equals more money to operate, so a more expensive ticket. It would be great if you can get lower and just because I haven't seen it lower doesn't mean it won't happen. Good luck!
 
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:11 am

Maybe there's a monopoly on the LAX-SYD route by Qantas and United?

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TG992
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:16 am

Try calling the best - Air NZ  Smile LAX-SYD direct on Weds, Fri, and Sun!
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:20 am

Air New Zealand is having a special for $799 now, and I don't know what to do since I've always wanted to fly Qantas! What do you think? Qantas or ANZ?!?!
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:22 am

If ANZ has PTV's, then go for them, cos it's gonna be a reeaaally long flight.
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:32 am

Airplanetire:

The cost of a ticket has NOTHING to do with the length of the flight and the actual costs of the flight.

The main factor is competition, which is usually stronger in the East-West direction than in the North-South. This explains why you usually always pay more for a sih hour flight "London-Lagos" than for the flight "London-New York".

To Australia you have relatively little traffic in Business and First Class, so Economy has to pay the price. This is the reason why Lufthansa pulled out of Australia a couple of years ago after trying to serve it with a Condor 747-400 with all Economy (!) for a short time...

Hope this helps!
 
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:22 am

You make a lot more sense than I did Setjet. Wouldn't you need at least a little more for a 14 hour flight to cover extra fuel, food, and crew? Sorry about my post. It was more based on my reasoning (which was proved wrong) than on actual fact, when it comes to why the price was high. Thanks for getting the right thing posted.
 
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:24 am

Anyone know why KLM and NW pulled out a few years ago? I know KL flew there in 2000, but since then is gone, and NW pulled out years ago (1995) I think. They had a HNL-SYD 747 flight.
 
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:38 am

QANTAS 747-438 - QF only has PTVs on 2 of their 744s, so the chances of getting one aren't great anyway.

NZ doesn't have PTVs, but what they do have is a clear service advantage over QF, much more comfortable seats and 2 inches more space per seat, and excellent food.

799 sounds like a bargain for an Air NZ flight. And if you fly with them, I can guarantee you a good seat if you email me  Big grin
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:44 am

I just found a nonstop Qantas flight for those dates priced at 1099USD, 1200 with a stop in HNL.Found fares on travel.yahoo.com. Good Luck  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 2:06 pm

It may be winter in the south, but it's warm weather from Brisbane north. Also, you will find that First and Business class tickets are always difficult, and there is more availability in Y. Yes it's a long flight, and most of them are all-night marathons, but QF does have a daylight flight. On the flights without PTVs, QF runs back-to-back movies on the cabin screens, which helps (unless you want to sleep). NZ has a bit more leg room. But it's all worth it when you arrive, Australia is a great destination!
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:35 pm

What about Air Pacific, Fiji's national carrier? I know they offer specials from time to time out of YVR to SYD. They would route through Nadi. I think they operate out of LAX. I know they operate a 737-800 from YVR.
 
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:57 pm

Don't forget Qantas747-438, that your August travel takes place during US school vacation time, hence higher airfares. Local management don't take the fact that it's winter down under into consideration when setting the airfares.
However, you should be able to find something slightly cheaper- you just have to know where to look. Phone a few consolidators in the L.A. area and see how you go.
 
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:03 pm

ETA Unknown---

You're right about school vacations... I hadn't thought about that.

TNboy---

I liked how you said that the whole point of this is the destination... Australia. I think thats important to remember, and that getting there is just part of the journey.

Thanks!
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:05 pm

Yes, Air Pacific operate out of LAX - a 742 to Nadi (Fiji) and then connections on to several Australian ports. AC also operates an A343 to SYD via HNL and a 763 to MEL via HNL.
It's worth checking QF as they occasionally have some add-on fares, or multi-city deals in Australia and you can often get good deals which allow you to get to places other than Sydney, such as the Gold Coast, Barrier Reef, Central Australia, etc.
But whichever airline you fly, you'll be tired on day 1, and probably wake around 0200 for a couple of days!
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:14 pm

TG992

QF have 4 aircraft - VH-OJE, -P, -C, -R.

2 more due out in March and April.

Arsenal@LHR - AirNZ don't have PTV's, at all.

Setjet - you might want to rethink your 'little first or business traffic to Australia'. Before Sept 11, there were up to 2 daily SYD-LAX, a 5 x weekly SYD-LAX-JFK, a daily BNE-AKL-LAX, a 5 x weekly MEL-LAX all on QF. UA had SFO-SYD and LAX-SYD and LAX-AKL-MEL dailies.

65% of QF's international profits come from the North American market, and the westbound flights from the US are often weight-restricted due to headwinds. The main source of revenue will always be the QF premium cabins, in fact, they've configured about 1/2 their B747-400's with 14 extra business class seats, which mostly fly the Trans-Pacs. Reward tickets in the premium cabins for trans-pacs are notoriously hard to get. Please rethink your comments Set jet.

TNboy - the day flight (QF7/8) was pulled just after Sept 11, I don't believe it's been reinstated.
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:30 pm

Coachman - you may be right. I know that the LAX - JFK leg has just been reinstated, and flights are building, so by the time Qantas 747-438 flies it may be back. Hope so. NZ also had daily LAX-SYD (couple of days now deleted), as well as dailies via AKL. And I endorse your remarks about the premium traffic. QF, UA and NZ all fly with premium cabins full, (79 J Class seats on those 744s you mentioned) and I believe that AC is also doing excellent daily premium business YVR-SYD. A lot of the Y class business is families (high proportion of kids quite often) travelling to Disneyland/World etc.
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RE: Why Are Ticket Prices So High?

Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:52 pm

TNboy

Yep, it's 79 J seats on QF premium 744's, for the sake of 50 economy seats (265 in premium, 315 in normal).
It's not cheap to fly the trans-pac...it's often cheaper to fly to Europe from SYD than it is to LAX. I believe SYD and LAX also have some of the highest landing fees in the world...
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