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Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:22 pm

Boeing hopes to have a firm commitment from Emirates airline on its $6.6 billion order for 25 B777s by mid-year with expectations of the announcement being made at the UK's Farnborough air show.

Emirates signed a letter of intent for the 25 Boeing 777- 200s and 300s during the Dubai air show in November.

"We continue to work towards an agreement. Emirates' senior management has discussed the offers. We have issues such as configuration and delivery to be worked out. We hope to have an announcement in the next two to three months, maybe at Farnborough," said Douglas Groseclose, Boeing senior vice-president for international sales.

"Right now, it is still in the works and very open-ended," Groseclose pointed out.

"Our objective is to make the (Emirates') intention expressed last year into a firm decision this year," said Paul Dubeck, Boeing sales director.

Groseclose disclosed that Boeing has been approached by Ariana for planes, but Afghanistan's flag carrier has funding problems. Boeing is putting together a plan to supply it with used aircraft.

"We're talking with Ariana about used airplanes with various airlines - planes that are parked in the hangars."

Groseclose declined to say whether lifting of sanctions has been pushed far into the mists of time, following President Bush's 'war on terror' initiative.

"Boeing has a very strong lobby group working in Washington DC. Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria - all require airplanes and we would like those airplanes to be Boeing. There is demand there for Western products.

"We had hoped that things had started to improve, but then September 11 came along. We hope someday soon - and when that happens, we'd be the first to fly into Iran, Iraq and Libya," Groseclose said.

He said the Sonic Cruiser project is still on schedule and is now in the wind tunnel testing phase.

"We have not formally launched the project, but the Boeing team continues to work with a number of airlines, including Emirates. We are still focused on the Sonic Cruiser and are still spending money on R&D. It is still in the study phase and is scheduled for delivery from 2008."

Dubeck said after the events of September 11, North American airlines had to look inwards rather than at projects like the Sonic Cruiser. Emirates, on the other hand, has recovered completely and is growing very fast.

SOURCE: GULF NEWS
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:30 pm

Any Idea on the mix of varients?
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:32 pm


"Boeing has a very strong lobby group working in Washington DC. Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria - all require airplanes and we would like those airplanes to be Boeing. There is demand there for Western products.

...WOow! What a cheek! We threaten to bomb you today and sell you our planes tomorrow!!
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:52 pm

Gulf Air & Saudi Airlines are probably also interested in great new Aircraft.

They pump up some more money & pay cash.
Efficiency & profittability are no real issues here.

Splendid, Bright & Proud Brand New Aircraft are more a kind of statement.

OK, the our aircraft are half empty and we can't provide our own crews but look at our fleet !

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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:54 pm

25 777- A BIG deal?
Can that be true. Are there any possibilities, that Airbus will compete with A340-500 or 600?
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 12:04 am

They already made their Airbus order for 332's and A380's. Now they are firming up their Boeing committments.
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 12:06 am

Emirates already has A340-500 on order and a LOI for 8 A340-600. Emirates 777 has mentioned that they might order more A340s
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 12:11 am

It's amazing to see Emirates growing so rapidly,, their business is booming. Whats the secret behind their success?

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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 1:09 am

The LOI for the 25x B777s only covers -200ER and -300. They have said that they are considering the B777-300ER and this might end up in the mix.

The LOI for the A340-600 however is subject to Airbus launching a IGW version that is capable of doing East Coast of North America in peak temps from DXB using a full pax and cargo payload.

The A340-600 will give them better payload but the -300ER probably has the better range. So this is an issue that Emirates will hammer out over the next 6 months.

The mix of -200 and -300 will be known in a few weeks probably. I am guessing a 12/13 in favour of -300s.

Rgds
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 1:49 am

Emirates777

The A340-600 will give them better payload but the -300ER probably has the better range. So this is an issue that Emirates will hammer out over the next 6 months.

You are right about the capacity, even though the 777-300ER could carry more pax. in single class layout, the A340-600 could carry more pax. in mixed class layout. The A340-600 has more cargo space also than the 777-300ER. You got confused by the range though, the range of the A340-600 is higher than the B777-300ER. Infact the B777-200ER has more range than the B777-300ER

Max. Range:

A340-600 - 7,500NM (Maximum Pax)
B777-300ER - 7,175NM (Typical Pax)
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 2:06 am

Emirates777,

I believe you have the payload/range figures reversed.

The A340-600 can carry a max. payload of 62.3 tons with a range of 8,625 sm.

The 777-300ER can carry a larger payload, 68.5 tons, but has a range of 8,343 sm.

With conditions at DXB, it might change these numbers, of course. But that's at least where these two aircraft start.

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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 2:09 am

It's amazing to see Emirates growing so rapidly,, their business is booming. Whats the secret behind their success?

They dont pay landing fees at Dubai which is a massive help
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 2:11 am

Why don't they pay landing fees?
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 3:38 am

That 6.6 billion sounds high. That averages out to 264,000,000 per aircraft, almost 30 million more than the 777-300er's highest price as listed on the boeing website. Even 5.6 billion is high, especially considering this is a buyers market.
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 4:45 am

Usually the bids include things like back-up parts and support etc

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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:10 am

So when are they starting service to the US? They'll certainly have the equipment to be able to do so.

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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 6:38 am

What I find odd is that Emirates is planning for *so* much expansion. The amount of lift increase they are ordering is, well, boggling to my mind. Can they really be expecting to triple of quadruple their load over just the next 5-7 years?

Also, I find the ordering of A340's and 777's to be most intriguing. While it seems like there might be a fit on specific lines for each, the cost of having an ever-more-diverse fleet would seem to be problematic.

Does anyone know what the progress commitments for the A340 and A380 orders is? (not sure if that's public information)

I can't put a finger on it, but SOMETHING seems odd here.

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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 6:41 am

I dont share their enthuaism for the predicted loads to the US.
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 7:40 am

Qatar, Hamlet69,
Thanks for that - you are absolutely correct. I think i got them the wrong way around. IMO Emirates is going to squeeze both Boeing and Airbus with the 777 and 340s.

I think by operating both the A330/340s and B777s they are in quite a unique position. I think the incremental cost of moving across the 330/340s isn't great and probably less so across the 777 variants. You see currently the 330 gives them the right acft for short, medium and long-haul with the right capacity adjustments. Similarly the 777 is ideally suited for the trunk routes which are typically medium and long-haul. However, given the hub system Emirates operates, the 777s often find themselves idle during the daylight hours hence they get placed on short hops such as MCT, DOH and MCT. This probably affects the profitability on these routes, but improves utilisation slightly.

The A340s will add another type to Emirates fleet. It will mean ultra-long-haul (at least by Emirates standards) routes. The 777 route lengths will increase with the addition of PER and KIX.

As for landing fees, if my memory serves me correctly, post Sept. 11, Dubai Intl apt abolished landing fees altogether for all carriers. Don't know if they've brought it back yet.

Rgds
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 8:00 am

Gulf Air & Saudi Airlines are probably also interested in great new Aircraft.

Gulf Air? Aren't they standarise their aicraft to A320/330 only?

Saudi Arabian Airlines finished their aircraft renewal last year. I heard that they're not satisfy with the MD90 due to door of MD90 is not high enough to attach to the gatebridge on some Saudi airports. They're looking at 717/737NG.

Back to the topic, how many 777 will Emirates have after these 25 joins the fleet? Any more 777 orders in the future?


 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 8:14 am

Emirates 777 fleet

In service
3x B777-200A
6x B777-200ER
4x B777-300

On firm order
8x B777-300 (6 ILFC, 2 SALE)

=21

On option
4x B777-200ER
2x B777-300 (SALE) - as i understand it these will be definitely exercised

= 23

LOI
25x B777s (variant mix undisclosed officially)

Emirates have stated that following the delivery of the 25x B777, most of the existing fleet will be traded back in and in the long-term they want to operate around 37 B777s. You have to add ontop of this the potential extra 777s they want to order.

Rgds
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 12:30 pm

Emirates,

Where do they operate the 777-200A?
 
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:45 pm

Qatar,
The B777-200A acft are configured in a high density layout. They are principally used on the following short-medium haul routes:

CMB/SIN/JKT
DAC/KUL
DOH
BAH
KWI
KHI/DAC
DAC
KHI
ISB
LHE
RUH
BEY
CAI

Also note, the way these acft are scheduled, they also tend to operate 85% of the "extra" flights to cater for the extra demand eg. Haj/Umra flights. Also, they are often used as substitute acft for A330/B777-200ERs on occassions when flights are significantly overbooked and extra capacity is needed on a specific flight here or there. Eg. they have been frequently into MAN, and they often upgrade some of the India routes.

The reason you see them operate some of these short-hops around the Khaleej is to boost their utilisation during the day enabling them to reposition for the Asian services.

Rgds
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RE: Emirates $6.6 Billion Order For 25 777s

Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:56 pm

Jiml1126, could you please give some more info about the Saudia rumour? Back in 1996 (?) they wanted 12 Avro RJ85, if I rememebr correct they had even signed a LoI, but the order was never confirmed. These were intended to replace the B737-200s. Does the current political situation even allow a Saudian order?

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