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AN Fleet Now

Sun Mar 24, 2002 2:57 pm

what will happen to AN's fleet?
 
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RE: AN Fleet Now

Sun Mar 24, 2002 3:08 pm

Some over at the desert, mostly parked at Tullamarine... some rumours about them shipping over to Essendon for storage....
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RE: AN Fleet Now

Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:13 pm

Any chance for Ansett? Or........ any other options other than liquidation?
 
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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 8:34 am

United Airline,

Sadly Ansett is finished forever, unless those rumours of SQ establishing a premium airline from Ansett's ashes are true, the Ansett name will not be used ever again.
 
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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 9:50 am

Some 146's are already at Essendon and some 737's might end up there as well.
Some leased aircraft have already been re-leased by they owners. The aircraft AN owns will either be sold or parted out to pay off debt.
There are 6 A320's supposedly to be leased out to someone around July, all SALE owned aircraft. Some say SQ some say DJ, although this tends to go against DJ's philosophy. The SALE rep is busy around the hanger with these aircraft but wont give anything away.

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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 10:41 am

Who would take the 762's?
 
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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 11:31 am

I doubt an airline would take the 762's. They have way to many cycles up on them for there age. Maybe a freight company? Maybe they'll be sold for spares?

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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 11:37 am

Probably too soon to scrap the AN 762. ABX seems a logical buyer.

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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 11:54 am


The AN B762's are not that much different in vintage to some of the A300 freighters around, and they would make pretty reasonable workhourses for anyone who wanted them.

I have heard, but have not been able to confirm, that the conversion to 2-man cockpit they went through is only recognised in Australia. If this is true then it will be very hard for overseas interests to pick these aircraft up if they require the additional operating costs of an FE.

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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 5:33 pm

It's sad to see the A320 dissapear from Australian skies forever. It was a very popular a/c with both pax and crew alike plus it added a bit of variety to Australian skies instead of just Boeings.
 
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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 6:18 pm

It's sad to see the A320 disappear from Australian skies forever. It was a very popular a/c with both pax and crew alike plus it added a bit of variety to Australian skies instead of just Boeings.

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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 6:23 pm

Rmm,

Are the SALE aircraft of newer vintage A320's? This is interesting as SQ are all over the place at the moment.

The starmark and all AN licencing are still for sale, so the brand in not quite dead yet. So are the software licencing, Golden Wing trade mark and Global Rewards.

Someone hinted to me we'll see action in around a month.

Anyone have any clues?

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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 6:36 pm

Mx5

Anything is possible with the Star Alliance gap that
has been left, but the very first thing to be sorted
out by the 2 Marks is the sale of the bloody terminals
that is causing a bottleneck for any players.

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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:17 pm

MX5,

The SALE A320's are from the first batch but still in good condition for there age.

Wirraway,

The terminals should come to a head after the creditors meeting on Wednesday.

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RE: AN Fleet Now

Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:30 pm

AAP

Ansett parties prepare to vote on airline's future
MELBOURNE, March 25 AAP|Published: Monday March 25, 6:34 PM

The federal government is undecided whether to support Ansett administrator Andersen in its bid to hold onto the Ansett contract at a vital creditors meeting on Wednesday.

The meeting is the conclusion of the airline's second creditors meeting which began on January 19 when creditors agreed to give would-be Ansett owners Solomon Lew and Lindsay Fox an extra four weeks to clinch the sale.

The Melbourne businessmen pulled out of the deal three weeks later.

With hopes dashed of selling the airline as a going concern, administrators Mark Mentha and Mark Korda, from Andersen, have recommended creditors vote in favour of a deed of company arrangement, enabling them to keep the company in existence while they arrange an orderly sale of Ansett assets.

The arrangement will take up to two years and cost around $65 million.

The alternative is sacking the administration and liquidating Ansett with a new team of accountants and a fast sale.

A spokesman for the administrators today said creditors had already started "jockeying and jostling" for position to recoup as much as possible from the airline's remains.

"It's not uncommon in these situations for individuals to seek the best for themselves at the expense of others," he said.

"The main responsibility of the administrators is to get the best return for all."

A spokesman for Transport Minister John Anderson said representatives from Andersen and the government met today to discuss government concerns over the proposed draft deed of company arrangement.

He said the government, as a priority creditor for $315 million in loans to cover Ansett workers' entitlements, was concerned by the lack of flexibility in the document relating to the sale and operation of the airline's domestic terminal leases.

"We're looking for a response to our concerns before we decide which way to vote on Wednesday," he said.

The government has been named as a potential bidder for the lucrative Sydney terminal lease.

A buy-back of the lease would significantly enhance the value of the airport which is expected to be privatised later this year.

Administrators are said to have valued the Sydney lease at about $400 million.

Under the terms of the lease the terminal owners, including the federal government, have first option to buy back the lease at market value.

Canberra Airport, which last Friday lost a Federal Court bid to resume control of the Canberra terminal lease, is pushing for liquidation as is the Global Rewards Action Group, represented by Melbourne businessman Jon Caneva.

The group represents several hundred of Ansett's 2.7 million frequent flyers.

The ACTU has supported the administrators' proposal and will recommend the 15,000 employee creditors vote on favour of the deed of company arrangement.

By Jane Williams, industrial correspondent
 
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RE: AN Fleet Now

Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:43 am

Rmm,

Then they would have been the ones that were running around during administration. If you look at the big picture there is all the maintenance facilities and what not for the A320 here. Tooling etc as well. Containers for freight, handling equipment, the list goes on.

Wirraway,

After the vote today we shall see what road the sale of AN assets takes. From what I have been hearing DJ/Lang/SQ are argueing over the terminals and what assets go to whom.

Who knows?

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RE: AN Fleet Now

Tue Mar 26, 2002 2:15 pm

Mx5

As well as the 3 you mentioned, you can also add
SACL, the 2 Marks are valuing the Sydney terminal
at $400M even though they were willing to sell to
Fox/Lew for $270M, the word around the traps is
that Virgin/Patrick are only willing to pay $150-200M,
as I said earlier, untill the terminals are sorted out
all players are in limbo.

Wirraway
 
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RE: AN Fleet Now

Tue Mar 26, 2002 2:32 pm

Wirraway,

If SACL get's the terminal, then won't it hamper things even further? I mean do you think they will try and lure whoever into them before or after the sale of SACL?

I think you will find Lang / DJ won't touch them unless they can get some guarantees off other interested parties of possible leases. Unless SQ has them in their sights? That would suite DJ / Lang well as they could just lease what they need.

This is more drawn out than 'War and Peace"..

mb
 
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RE: AN Fleet Now

Tue Mar 26, 2002 3:07 pm

Mx5

If SACL gets the Sydney terminal then thay would
make it a common user, this would proberly work
out ok as DJ could take the gates they need, they
could not utilise all 18 in the next couple of years
anyway, if SQ or SQ/DJ decided to launch an upmarket
"Boutique" full-service airline on the main trunks there
would be plenty of excess gates to do so.

Wirraway

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