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UA On JFK-NRT

Wed Sep 01, 1999 3:49 am

This will be my first trip on UA on the JFK-NRT route. I have 2 questions for those who have flown on this route recently:
1. What type of aircraft is used, 747-400 or 747-200? Do you remember if it has a extensive business class section?
2. Has UA equipped seat back TV in the economy section?

Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: UA On JFK-NRT

Wed Sep 01, 1999 4:59 am

The OAG pocket flight guide now shows the UA 801 as a 744. I'm not sure about the configuration, but I would imagine it would be quite a big J class; when UA had 747-200s on the route, it had two dedicated -222Bs operating and they had large J class cabins. In any case, this would be quite a busy route for Business Class. Looking at the JP airline fleets, there are six -400s with large three premium class layouts (N171-176UA), configured F36J123Y142. I'd be surprised if it wasn't one of these, but let us know when you come back?
As for PTVs in Y class, dream on!
(I doubt it, given the problems with Y class on 777s, as referred to in previous threads.)
 
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RE: UA On JFK-NRT

Wed Sep 01, 1999 7:15 am

I flew this route on N172UA, and it was a 747-400 without seatback screens. This was in April, so it could be different now. And it did have a larger-than-usual business class section.

Bob Bradley
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RE: UA On JFK-NRT

Wed Sep 01, 1999 7:27 am

The plane is the 747-400OP with 36F, 123B, and 142Y. The PTV supplier has been changed from GEC Marconi to BA/e Electronics (I think that's the company's name) and the kinks have been worked, so the PTV's are newer and much greater. Unfortunately, they have just -begun- to install PTV's on the 747-400OB config., and UA should begin installation on the 'OP' config. in a very, very short while. Depending on when you go...yes or no.

Hope it helped...

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RE: UA On JFK-NRT

Wed Sep 01, 1999 9:18 am

One comment about the PTV suppliers, BAe just bought Marconi from GEC, so now one and the same. I've flown UA's 777 from NWK to Heathrow a few times and the PTVs worked fine. Did they go bad after a while?
 
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RE: One More

Wed Sep 01, 1999 9:21 am

I did this same flight back in '96. It was a 742 and it kind of surprised me. I didn't know they had the range and I didn't ask. Ignorance is bliss.
 
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RE: One More

Wed Sep 01, 1999 9:45 am

Actually, 742s have a considerable range. According to my book, they can fly 6900nm with 366 pax and reserves.
 
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RE: UA On JFK-NRT

Wed Sep 01, 1999 3:21 pm

I heard united was getting rid of the op's
 
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RE: UA On JFK-NRT

Thu Sep 02, 1999 10:44 am

UA will keep a few OP's for the ORD-HKG and the JFK-NRT flights. Funny thing is, though, that when I was on Apollo looking up UA's loads for the JFK-NRT flight, it had the plane sched. as an OB...wheres I looked just looked it up, and it was now an OB (which will be UA's 747-400 mainstay). Oh well...

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FLY777UAL

Thu Sep 02, 1999 10:57 pm

Can you tell me the difference between an OP and an OB? Also, what type of 747-400s are being delivered to United now?
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
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RE: FLY777UAL

Fri Sep 03, 1999 7:11 am

The 747-400 OB is a 3-class, 372-seat layout (18F, 84B, 270Y) or a 368-seat layout (14F, 84B, 270Y--this model has FC beds).

The 747-400 OP is a three-class, 301-seat layout (36F, 123B, 142Y).

The 747's currently being delivered will be in the OB configuration.

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RE: FLY777UAL

Fri Sep 03, 1999 8:26 am

united is turning their op's to ob's
 
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Why Increase?

Fri Sep 03, 1999 8:31 am

I thought that United wanted to go the way British Airways was by moving to smaller aircraft that have the same amount of first class and business but less coach. Why would United then switch to a larger seat 747-400? Are they changing their tune now that the Asian tiger is reawakening?
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
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RE: Why Increase?

Fri Sep 03, 1999 9:28 am

Actually, United has decreased seats in the 'main' 747-400's by about 50 seats. The majority of UA's 747-400's used to seat 418 in three classes, and now the majority seat about 372. The 'OP' aircraft were only a select few, and only operating on ORD-HKG, JFK-NRT.

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RE: FLY777UAL

Fri Sep 03, 1999 9:35 am

They sure will have quite a few seats open on the OB for their ORD-HKG flights, then (weight restricted). If UA fills up the F/B cabins with 36+123 (which they regularly do), they surely will be missing out on quite a bit of revenue. I was hoping for the OP to have the United First Suite on there...only drawback to that, though is 10 less FC passengers in the same amount of space.

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To FLY777UAL

Fri Sep 03, 1999 9:42 am

Actully UA is using the OP on the twice daily ORD-NRT flts..Flt 895 to HKG is a OB and has been for most of summer..The other OP's are going SEA-NRT and SFO-KOA..The JFK-NRT flt 801 ia also an OB..

What really is interesting is the OP will be used to LAS from ORD later this month..
 
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RE: Why Increase?

Fri Sep 03, 1999 10:42 am

Man...that --IS-- going to be interesting! I was unaware of the ORD-NRT and SEA-NRT flights with the OP...when did/will the SEA flight switch over? (My mom worked the OP coming back from NRT (to SFO) last Sun.--a/c substitution).

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