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NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:01 am

Just went through the KLM/NW summer timetable for AMS and it just looked as if NW is already starting to phase out the D10 at AMS...
The following NW flights are listed for the summer [all flights daily]:
NW33 14.35 D10 SEA
NW35 11.35 D10 IAD
NW37 14.15 D10 BOS
NW39 08.00 D10 DTW
NW41 11.10 D10 MSP --> from 02 Jun 742
NW47 16.50 D10 DTW --> from 02 Jun 742
NW53 14.35 D10 DTW --> from 04 May KL617 M11 --> from 16 Sep KL617 747
NW55 16.35 D10 MSP --> from 02 Jun 742
NW57 10.40 D10 MIA --> from 16 Sep KL627 M11
NW61 10.25 744 JFK
NW63 11.30 D10 EWR
NW67 11.00 744 DTW
NW68 10.35 744 BOM

By the end of the summer we will see only 5 daily NW D10s at AMS, whereas we currently have 10 daily D10s. Two flights will be transferred to KLM operation, three flights will be upgraded to 742.
The morning ICA bank on the other hand, will see 4 NW Jumbo and two D10 flights.

DTW will see the return of KLM this summer with both the M11 and 747.

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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:03 am

Uh-oh..annother NWA topic
 
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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:19 am

Interesting... the MSP-AMS flights traditionally go 747 for the higher loads in the summer. Also, JFK usually returns to NW for the summer as well. I would suspect the 742s to return to DC10 after the summer, when the loads fall off. But this is also in line with the DC10-40 retirement if you take a look at it. They'll need something to HNL and shifting DC10-30s off the Atlantic is the logical choice. These babies aren't going anywhere until the 330s arrive...


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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:43 am

sorry can someone tell me what airport this code is, bom
it is the only 1 i am not familar with.
thanks
 
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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:57 am

BOM is the airport code for Mumbai India. BOM comes from Mumbais old name of Bombay. Northwest serves this city quite well.
 
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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sat Mar 30, 2002 9:06 am

ok thanks
 
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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sat Mar 30, 2002 9:25 am

any chance that nwa or klm will serve phl again. they dropped the ams-phl route a little more than a year ago, and from what i heard arent looking to resume it.
 
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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sat Mar 30, 2002 10:01 am

This is just seasonal. Replacing the D10 with the larger 742/744 for the summer peak. The D10 will return in larger numbers next fall.

IMO.

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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:29 pm

Azjubilee
How many flights does NW have into HNL, were they all D10-40?
You're right that during the higher summer loads NW tends to have more 747s at AMS. But I don't think they ever had 6 747 flights out of AMS, even not prior to 911.

DTW is looking good this summer with three daily Jumbos [one KLM] and a D10. Hope to see the fifth flight back next summer.

So when do the 330s come on line, I guess AMS will see quite some of these ships in the future.
How about gate compatibility between 330 and D10. At AMS, NW D10 uses gates E2, E4, E5, E6, E7. I believe that 330 wingspan is larger than the D10/M11 which are the largest aircraft that I've seen at these gates.
Surely DTW D10 gates must be compatible with the 330.

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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sun Mar 31, 2002 1:39 am

AMS doesn't get -40 service unless there is a scheduling problem ie. maint. delay etc...
 
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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sun Mar 31, 2002 2:05 am

Would a GLA-BOS flight be on back on the cards when the A330's come ? Apparantly there were good loads on the route, but equipment shortages.
 
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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sun Mar 31, 2002 2:45 am

PW100: This time of year, in the post 9/11 schedule HNL sees actually only 2 DC10-40s. One from LAX and one of the two daily SEA flights. MSP nonstop is a 742 but switches to a DC10-30 for the summer/fall. The DTW nonstop is seasonal and is a DC10-30 and ends when the current schedule ends on April6. The other SEA flight had been a DC10-40 but has switched to a DC10-30 so that KIX can get A DC10-30 from HNL. The a/c routing is SEA-HNL-KIX-HNL-SEA flights 925/924 and 15/16. Pre 9/11 and pre cancelation of SFO, there were 5 DC10-40s serving HNL with the rest DC10-30s and 742s. So... now that I lay the #s out there, it doesn't seem like such a puzzle to cover HNL with DC10s. As far as gate space, not too sure what AMS can handle... I doubt it will be a problem though. I've heard the first 330s will go to LGW, but that remains to be confirmed. I understand the 330s arrive next summer, but I've also heard this fall for domestic proving runs to get the ETOPS program squared away.

AirlinerRX - nobody ever said the DC10-40s go to Europe... they are strictly domestic. Thanks for your input.

By738 - NW is concentrating on its DTW hub for international flying, so while it would be nice to se BOS-GLA back, I highly doubt this will occurr. Maybe DTW-GLA, but not BOS. The BOS minihub was abandoned several years ago to concentrate on DTW as the primary international gateway.


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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sun Mar 31, 2002 7:26 am

Hopefully they'll change the BOS-AMS route to something other than a DC-10 soon. When do they get their first 330?
 
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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Sun Mar 31, 2002 8:36 pm

the reason for more 747 flying is due to the reduction of domestic dc-10 flying...the -30's from the atlantic will be needed for hnl flying..1 daily from lax/msp/sea on sept sked....
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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Mon Apr 01, 2002 2:47 am

I agree with everyone here, since the B747 would be an excellent aircraft to use on the AMS route during the summer season. On the other hand, I would not consider the B747-200 as a replacement for the DC10, since both aircraft models have been around for quite a while.

BTW: Is NW eventually going to replace all B747-200s and DC10s with new A330s?
 
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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Mon Apr 01, 2002 7:34 pm

Azjubilee
Thanks for the explanation on the HNL D10-40 side.
How many -40 and -30 did NW operate, and how many are still active?
And yes, it definately makes sense for NW to concentrate long haul at DTW. I wonder if and when NW will going to open new Euro routes from DTW. Currently only AMS, LGW, CDG and FRA are served from DTW?

JU101
As Azjubilee said, only the D10-40 are being phased out right now. The -30 [which were primarily used on the North Atlantic runs] will be phased out by the 330. As far as I know [maybe Azjubilee can confirm this] the 330's won't be replacing the 742. As far as I'm concerned I think the 330 wil replace the D10-30 one-on-one. Not sure whats going to happen to the 742.

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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Mon Apr 01, 2002 7:41 pm

Well... I am gonna miss the good old noizy DC-10's! We will keep some... (DAS Air Cargo f/e)

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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Mon Apr 01, 2002 7:53 pm

Agree with you 100%, Schreiner. In a couple of years AMS is going to be invaded by NW and KL 330's...and all those large three holers/diesel tens will only be a vague memory...

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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Wed Apr 03, 2002 1:54 pm

Yup, the 330s are only to replace the DC10-30s over the Atlantic. No word yet on what the 742 replacement will be. I flew on ships 1162 and 1157 DC10-40s on Sunday and Tuesday and they are such beautiful birds!! YOu sure can tell they're getting ready to be retired though... I just love the sound of those pratts as we lumber down the rwy. They'll be missed... but the GE powered -30s are just as sexy IMO.

FCO is served seasonally from DTW too, in addition to CDG, LGW, AMS and FRA which see year round service. Hmmm... that's the big question PW100 - when and where will we see intl DTW expansion... who knows.

FAVRE: is 925/924 going? or is it 945/946? Darn... I was hoping for the SFO flight to return. Why the heck is 936 timed at such an awful hour for LAX pax? Seems like they could take care of the DTW people as well as LAX terminating pax better with a redeye, or even a departure around the 924/925 timeframe.

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RE: NW Pulling D10 From AMS

Wed Apr 03, 2002 2:44 pm

thats kind of good. Now I get to fly the 742 fro DTW.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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