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Possible Qantas Order.

Thu Sep 02, 1999 6:12 am

After making their enormous profit in the 1998 fiscal year Qantas has begun looking into fleet expansion. Obviously they are looking into a replacement for their 747-200s 300s and SPs. On first glance one may say 777-200 or A340-600 but this doesn't seem to be the case according to Aviation and Space Technology Weekly. Qantas is said to be more interested in the 767-400ER and 747-400. This is due to their conservative approach to ordering new aircraft. While it would be nice to see Qantas 777s it seems that we are destined to see more 767NGs and 747-400 and NGs!
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RE: Possible Qantas Order.

Thu Sep 02, 1999 6:21 am

I think they would go for a 777 combination....777-200 replacing the 747SPs and 777-300 replacing the 747-200/300. I would be very surprised to see them ordering Airbus aircrafts but I am sure the European consortium will push for the A330 (-200 and -300)
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RE: Possible Qantas Order.

Thu Sep 02, 1999 6:23 am

The point can be made that Qantas was on the design team for the 777 but it seems that they are more than likely to opt for the 767-400ER and 747-400 in their fleet expansion plans. I would assume that the 747 order would changeable to any future 747 design.
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RE: Possible Qantas Order.

Thu Sep 02, 1999 8:14 pm

They's be crazy not to buy the 777, it's perfect for them. As usual, they'll be left with a big gap between the 767 and 747. I remember chatting to a Flight Engineer in the cockpit of a 747 over Aus and he was lamenting the fact that Qantas had never bought the Tristar, and instead operated an all-747 fleet, including heavily loss-making sectors such as Brisbane - Port Morseby, Sydney - Wellington, Darwin - Singapore. He said a 300-seater would have fitted in perfectly and even though they've just made this enormous profit (which shows they obviously know what they're doing and don't need to take advice from the likes of me), I still think that is the case and should get off their corporate arse and roll the potato for once, and buy some 777s, which would also look amazing in the Qantas livery.
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RE: Possible Qantas Order.

Thu Sep 02, 1999 8:41 pm

Qantas really should look at the A340 for long thin routes that over the years Qantas has scrapped. The possibilities are endless. However, they are a real Boeing airline and will more likely opt for the 777, that is if they can break away from the 767/747 mould. When they inherited the A300 from Australian Airilnes, they even had it listed in the timetable as Boeing A-300!!!
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Qantas Orders For 777X (hopeful)!

Thu Sep 02, 1999 9:13 pm

QANTAS might want the 777X because it sounds such a superb aircraft, also they can have cross crew flying with 767-400ER, and it is a big plus. This option is likely to be reality.

QANTAS may also consider Airbueses, however, it may be costly for the airlineto train new pilots for new types, and all that traning equipment must be purchased, so I suppose this option is less likely to come true.
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RE: Possible Qantas Order.

Thu Sep 02, 1999 10:07 pm

I don't believe Qantas will order Airbus A340-500/600. Possibly they go for Boeing 767-400ER or Boeing 777-200 longer range.

I think Airbus can't penetrate in Qantas.

If they want to replace the Boeing 747-200/300 and SP the 777 is ideal.

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RE: Possible Qantas Order.

Thu Sep 02, 1999 10:54 pm

While it would be interesting to see a Qantas 777 I don't see it in the cards. Lets hope but not count on it. Anyway I love their 747-400s so keep um rolling down the factory line! I believe their 24th 747-400 is almost completed and set for delivery next month.
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Fri Sep 03, 1999 5:40 am

Do you ever wonder whether Qantas is superstitous about the fact they've never lost an airliner, and this now influences their decision to buy the same aircraft over and over again?
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RE: Superstition?

Fri Sep 03, 1999 6:01 am

Although I don't know if superstition is the reason behind Qantas' loyalty to 747's and only recently 767's, I do know that superstition is a big thing in this industry.

Do you remember when SIA placed that huge order in Nov'95 for 34 777's with 43 options? 61 of the planes were for SIA and 16 for SALE (the leasing arm). Notice something weird? All the numbers add up to "7", and counting the 3 7's in 777 there are seven 7's! The reason? SIA has a big superstition about the number "7". I am not kidding you. It comes all the way down from the board.
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RE: Superstition?

Fri Sep 03, 1999 2:12 pm

Hi There

Although QANTAS has never lost an aircraft, they nearly did yesterday. It was on the news here in Perth, West Australia. We had a strong cold front move through south western Australia over the past couple days and a QANTAS 747-200 was landing at the time, they went around on the first attempt and on the second attempt got caught in a strong crosswind gust and the No. 1 engine struck the runway. The plane is still in Perth for repairs and investigations at the moment.

Ok. back on topic now. I do believe that QANTAS would profit greatly from the 777 aircraft because as one other person mentioned, they have 747-200's and SP's flying resonably short flights compared to the range of the 747, and these flights to my knowledge dont usually have a large amount of passengers on board making the flight almost non profitable. if the 777 was to be used on these flights, there would be a better chance of filling the aircraft and the fuel burn is far less than either the 747-200, -300 and SP.



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