dutchjet
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Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:00 am

I hoped the topic description would catch your attention. It seems that so many threads here, regardless of their original topic, simply become A vs B discussions; many times the post become rude, hurtful, nasty, and/or personal aside from setting forth inacurate information. I hope in the future we can prevent that from happening.

This is a great forum - I enjoy it because I am intersted in and enjoy commercial avaiation. We all know that both Boeing and Airbus make fantastic products - each of the airliners produced by these organizations are safer, more reliable, more effecient and more friendly to the enviornment than anyone would have believed possible 25 or 30 years ago. Airbus and Boeing products have made air travel safe, affordable and common place for many of us in the world, and that is a good thing.

We all have our personal opinions and thoughts, we care about commercial aviation so we frequent this site. And, everyone is entitled to their opinions and to have those opinions respected. To be honest, I prefer Boeing products over Airbus.....why? Simply because I do, to me there is something very special about Boeing airplanes. Do I prefer Boeing products because I was born in the US? NO WAY. Its not that simple. I was born in the US and I never was impressed with Mc Donnell Douglas products. Am I anti-European? Absolutely not; I live part of the year in Europe and love Europe and its people and cultures. I also think that European automobile manufacturers can teach Detroit a few lessons. Am I "anti-Airbus"? Again, that is certainly not the case. Airbus makes excellent competetive airliners, have raised the technology level in commercial aviation, and is a most impressive organization. I am overwhelmed by their ability to bring a complete line of advanced commerical airliners to the market so successfully during their short history. I like Airbus, but prefer Boeing. Simple, its my choice and I respect those who feel otherwise and prefer Airbus.

So, now you know that I am traditionally pro-Boeing but certainly not anti-Airbus, a couple of other things:

1. Airlines are businesses that purchase or lease the aircraft that they want and need for a specific mission and try to get the best prices possible and delivery schedules that suit their needs. US carriers are not forced to buy Boeing and European carriers are not forced to buy Airbus, the airlines buy what is good for them at the moment. Enough nonsense about the French government forcing AF to buy the A380, AF bought the A380 because they have determined that they will need it. Also, AF would not have a fleet of 777s and United would not have so many A319/A320s if aircraft decisions were made soley for political reasons.

2. Neither Airbus or Boeing gives their planes away; they are both large companies that must show a profit. In the same spirit, both companies do receive forms of subsides from their governments; they are important industries, control vital technology and create jobs. It is just the way it is. Is Airbus getting all kinds of money from their governments and is Boeing getting subusidies from the military contracts? To some extent, yes, so what, but the playing field is just about even. If one of Boeing or Airbus had such an advantage, would they each control about 50% of the market?

3. We do not live in a perfect world -when a large aircraft order is up for grabs, politicians may get involved in behind the scene activities to influence an order. When billions of dollars or euros are at stake, and thousand of jobs can be won or lost, govenments take notice. And, sometimes they will overstep.....both Boeing and the US and Airbus and Europe have done some "uncool" things over the years to influence an order. Is it right? No, but it will happen from time to time.

Thanks to all of you for your time. I have learned a lot here and really respect the knowlege that so many of the people have. Happy Passover and Happy Easter.
 
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Heavierthanair
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:29 am

G'day

How about that!

Cheers

Peter
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Arsenal@LHR
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:50 am

Very well said indeed. Nice reading your post.

But like you said, we don't live in a perfect world, and you'll always have these idiots who are either extremely anti-airbus, or extremely anti-boeing.

Sad but true

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aamd11
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 9:44 am

Its long, but its true... i used to be vaguely anti-A, but i ahve flown a few more airbuses over the years and now im not bothered... Airbus or Boeing suits me fin.

Well written Dutchjet - You have my respect!
 
Boeing Nut
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 10:03 am

Very well said.
I'm not a real aeronautical engineer, I just play one on Airliners.net.
 
Klaus
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 10:24 am

Thank you for a well-needed bit of perspective.  Big thumbs up

I don´t even think the basic "A vs. B" topic is really the problem. The market competition is there (thank god!  Smile ) and most people have a more or less subjective preference in the matter.

What´s the problem is the willingness of too many people to escalate almost any discussion into a mud-fight within two or three posts like ill-mannered children.

As if either "side" had the ultimate truth. What about agreeing to disagree and still being able to remain civilized? (Sticking to the topic and to actual facts would be asking too much, I know... Wink/being sarcastic)
 
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:22 am

Well I prefer Boeing and will not hesitate to say it. This does not mean I think Airbus is inferior, I just like Boeings.
I also prefer women with black hair. I still like others though.
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fanofjets
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:34 am

The new comepetition has created excellent airplains on both sides of the pond!
The aeroplane has unveiled for us the true face of the earth. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery
 
NWA742
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:44 am

Very well said Dutchjet.
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akelley728
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:58 pm

Amen Dutchjet!

 
turbulence
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:40 pm

This is one of the best self-explained posts.
Pity the usual simple idiots will not even read it: When, by the second paragraph they'll see this is fair enough to deserve serious attention, they're going to give themselves up to a stupid parallel AvB topic.

Well written, Dutchjet.

Best turbulences
 
Arsenal@LHR
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sun Mar 31, 2002 12:35 am

Like i said in earlier posts "On the 7th day, God created Airbus and Boeing"

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donder10
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sun Mar 31, 2002 1:02 am

I like the variety at LHR!
 
racko
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sun Mar 31, 2002 2:14 am

Who runs the airliners.net deletion system ?

Or can any moderator tell me the difference between my post "well said, Dutchjet" and
"Amen Dutchjet!",
"Very well said Dutchjet." or
"Very well said."

Sorry, but i don't see a difference. (beside the fact that mine got deleted)
 
deltairlines
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sun Mar 31, 2002 4:36 am

Very well said. As a spotter, I prefer seeing many different types of manufacturers and their individual aircraft, as I get to see some different planes, compared to seeing one plane come several times in a row. It is also good for the airlines as well, as the competition results in lower prices being paid for the planes, which has the possibility of lower airfares for customers (keyword: possibility). As a passenger, each plane has its own pros and cons. No one aircraft is perfect. People will always have their preferences, but I am sure that these people would like one aspect of another plane over another and vice versa.

Jeff
 
RoyalDutch
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sun Mar 31, 2002 4:45 am

Very well said, Dutchjet. Boeing is, and always will be my favorite, but I always look forward to my airbus flights as well. The A320 family is one great breed of aircaft, as is the 330, and im sure the others are as well. If its got wings and engines, put me on it, and I'll love it, weather it was made in the US, Europe, or South America!  Big thumbs up
 
ILUV767
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RE: Airbus Vs Boeing

Sun Mar 31, 2002 5:50 am

Personally, I prefere both. I like the A320 family over the 737 and the 727 family. However, I prefere the Boeing widebodies to the airbus widebodies.

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