The Latest From Boeing Everett

Thu Sep 02, 1999 11:45 am

I just returned from a day trip to the Boeing factory in Everett, Washington to my delight to see the new B767-400ER (wow, what a beauty!). Also completed were an Air Europe 777 (in their new BA-like colors), an Air New Zealand 744 (interestingly enough with GE as opposed to RR engines), a Canadian 767-300ER (now that was a shock seeing CP getting a new-build aircraft), an Aeroflot 763, Air China 744, Asiana 744 and 763, American 777, Continental 777, Singapore Airlines 777-300 (nice!!), UPS 763PF, and a 744 and 2 777's in Saudi Arabian's very attractive livery (that seem to be mothballed??). On the factory floor was the 23rd 744 for Qantas (due to be delivered next month), 2 744's bound for Northwest and a Cargolux 747-400F, plus a United 763 and a Cathay 777-200.

Just thought you'd all like to be kept up to date!

And if you havent had the good fortune to go to Everett it!!!!!! Do whatever you can to get there - it is such a great experience: rob a bank, even sell your Grandmother if you have to !!!


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RE: The Latest From Boeing Everett

Thu Sep 02, 1999 12:05 pm

Oh I'm planning on it. Fall of next year.

Did you get any pictures? It would be one heck of a shot if you could get all or most of those planes in one pic.


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Thu Sep 02, 1999 12:09 pm

Yeah Mike, i did take a few photos, ill try to get them up and running and posted this space!!  

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Photos ?

Thu Sep 02, 1999 1:27 pm

How do you get photos there? I read on their website that they offer tours but no cameras are allowed!!!!!!
is that true ??
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RE: The Latest From Boeing Everett

Thu Sep 02, 1999 1:58 pm

you have to be quick, and D-O-N'-T advertise you are taking photos. I usually drive up early am before the tour opens,(or after it's closed....just be inconspicuous..) have the camera ready, take your photos from the selected areas and leave. I've even stopped on the fwy headed for Mukilteo, on the right shoulder, and got a great photo of the first British World Cargo(England) from there,,(or if the doors are open to the assembly bldgs),(take'em and go,,,,),, They won't let you take anything on the tour,no backpacks, purses, no nothing,,,so you won't get any from the tour, they have us covered there. If you have a car, there are plenty of side airport roads all around Paine Field. I've never been bothered by the tower, there is a small parking area and you can look north towards the flightline. Be careful if you drive back around Goodyear Aerospace,,,excellent ops here,,,but dont let them catch you,,,we don't want the roads blocked or restricted. The old 747sp N4508H is parked back there, so happy photo run.......
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Cathay 777-200?

Thu Sep 02, 1999 10:52 pm

Are you sure that you saw a Cathay Pacific 777-200 and not a 300? I thought that they had received all their 777-200s (4 in all) and had taken delivery of all their 777-300s (7 in all).
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RE: Cathay 777-200?

Fri Sep 03, 1999 3:24 am

It was definately a -200 series, it was unpainted except for the tail. So should be delivered next month.

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RE: The Latest From Boeing Everett

Fri Sep 03, 1999 6:46 am

Hmmm. that no photos thing must be a new rule. When I went there was a huge bunch Japanese tourists just snapping away. I have a an old book of photos that has shots of the assembly line, a Sabena 747-300 being rolled out in green protective coating (this was late 80's early 90's).

The tour was great in terms of seeing the factory, but they didn't drive around the final preparations apron where all the fully painted aircraft were.


The Tour

Fri Sep 03, 1999 10:52 am

The tour lasts about an hour. First you go to a little theater and watch a 7 minute film on how they build a 747-400. then you are taken by bus to the factory building (worlds largest etc etc) where you walk underground for about 5 minutes then catch an elevator up to the center of the building, above the production line. You stay there for about 20 minutes, then get back on the bus and they take you on a loop of the final preparations apron right by the aircraft that are fully painted awaiting delivery. Very cool!!

The photo opportunities are mainly had at the tour center before/after you leave for the tour. No camera's allowed inside the factory...bummer (but understandable)

All in all it's a great day out!!



Fri Sep 03, 1999 2:04 pm

Someone mentioned on an airline list that 3 National Airlines 757-200's are parked at the BFG hangar. They just took delivery of their 8th plane, so there might only be 2 left out there. Can you tell me if you saw this? Thanks in advance.

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RE: The Latest From Boeing Everett

Fri Sep 03, 1999 2:43 pm

I was going to go last year, but I had already sold my Grandmother for my trip to Gulfstream in Savannah, GA! hehe :-)
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RE: Cathay 777-200?

Fri Sep 03, 1999 3:21 pm

By August 12 CX had taken delivery of 6 of 7 777-300s, with the sixth being delivered in June this year (777 #224, serial 27509). The last -200 (777 #31) delivered to CX was more than three years ago in June 1996.

As a result the airplane that you saw in the factory may have been CX's last -300 on order, but it was most definitely not a -200 series for that particular airline. I take it that the CX machine was less advanced than the SQ -300 series as the latest SQ 773 is line number 244.




Sat Sep 04, 1999 12:07 am

I didnt see the National 757's - sorry! I only went to Everett where 747,777 and 767 production goes on. 40 miles south of there is Renton, the original Boeing Field home to the "Red Barn" and 757 and 737 production. I visited Renton too about a month ago but didnt get a chance to make it back this time.


RE: Cathay 777-200?

Sat Sep 04, 1999 12:25 am

OK, OK you win   I am sure it was a -200 but the evidence seems to weigh against me ....... it sounds like it was probably a -300 . Maybe i need an eyetest.   I like to think that i was so overwhelmed at being in the presence of the almighty Boeing that i am going to plead temporary insanity for not correctly identifying the 777 in question.




Sat Sep 04, 1999 3:51 am

Hi again. Apparently the 757's in question are used, not new and are being rehabed by BFG at Everett. Thanks anyway!

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RE: The Tour

Sat Sep 04, 1999 5:09 am

The tour certainly looks interesting with or without photos, but can anyone say what little nooks and crannies are available around Everett or the other plants?
For example, is there any way to see aircraft doing test flying (or anything) from the Boeing Museum of Flight? Also, in some photos of aircraft doing test flights, you see a hillside in the background with houses; is it possible to get up there?
Finally, if you go to the Boeing Commercial website, you can find in one of their newsletters a detailed monthly list of deliveries and orders.
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RE: The Tour

Sat Sep 04, 1999 6:07 am

For test flying most of the actual test flights occur either over the Olymipc Penninsula or between Boeing Field in Seattle and Moses Lake. You can watch new planes fly over head at a park just off the north end of Boeing Field, as well as from the Parking lot of the Museum of Flight if you got a truck. You might be able to go over on Airport Road and go into the airline terminal and see out at the field but I have never tried that. You cannot get a real good look at the planes on the delivery flightline because of the angle of the street and the blast shields.

As for the hill out back of Boeing Field, you are really too far away to get a good view of the airport from up there since there is a freeway, lots fo rail tracks, Airport Road and lots of hangars and a very short runway between you and the long runway they use for Boeing Flights. Not only that, but that hill top is covered with little ups and downs that are private property and most people don't like to see people hiking on their lawn to get a poor view of the planes. The only time I remember that hill ever being a good viewing location was when the planes flew by from the Air Shows which they no longer have.

You can get an ok view of the planes are Renton by taking the walking path along the river. You can't really see the ones at the airport that have been painted, but you can see them when only the rudder and occasionally the nose is painted and guess the airline. Usually it is pretty easy but it can get hard at times.

One thing about seeing new planes at Renton or Boeing Filed is that the surrounding buildings and terrain don't allow for good viewing. I don't really know about Everett as I lived in Renton up until a few weeks ago.

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