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Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 2:54 pm

BOS had many L10's. EA looked particularly good in the L10 lovery, especially back when Terminal A was brand spanking new.

Did your city ever have the EA L1011?
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 2:55 pm

Yes. YYZ had Eastern L1011's from about 74-80 or so.

YYZ-PHL if memory serves.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 2:56 pm

Nope!  Smile
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 2:59 pm

Yes they used them extensively on routes to SJU, I don't recall to what cities from SJU did they use them as I was quite young when Eastern was flying.
But Im prety sure they used them on these routes
MIA-SJU
JFK-SJU
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SDQ-SJU
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 3:01 pm

I know BDL had them but I am not sure which routes they were on, I am thinking at some point in the Eastern history BDL had them on the BDL-SJU, BDL-MIA and BDL-BOS routes. I might be mixing some of these routes with old Pan Am routes however.

Can someone varify what Eastern had at BDL?
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 3:34 pm

EAL flew DAB-ATL apparently with the L-10 @ night, appaenrtly it would come in around midnight and leave as an EMO in the morning
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 3:37 pm

IAH had them almost from the get go in the early 70s!

I sure miss them as well as the diversity that IAH once had!



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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 3:38 pm

EWR had them all, at one point or another.

Except the DC-10, I think Eastern flew their DC-10's only out of MIA to London, South America and JFK.

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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 3:51 pm

I don't think EA flew BDL-SJU nonstop, but I believe that EA flew L10s on BDL-EWR/JFK/BOS-SJU at various times.

Off-topic, but DL flew L10s BDL-BOS-BDA and BDL-ATL.
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 4:21 pm

HPN didn't have them, i know for a fact JFK did, i think EWR did but im not too sure about LGA. It's tough living in Westchester County, so many airports could be your airport.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 4:21 pm

BDL-SJU must have been a A300 then? I know Eastern flew the BDL-SJU route....

As for Delta, didnt they fly BDL-MCO and BDL-PBI/FLL with L1011's too?
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 7:28 pm

In the late 1970s through to the mid 1980s IAH was a senior and larger station for EAL.

In the morning, flight 64, an L-1011 originating in SAT, would stop in IAH for its continuation to JFK. In the evening, flight 59, an L-1011 coming from JFK would return to IAH for its final destination and overnight in SAT.

This was exciting because it was one of the few flights at the time from IAH that showed a movie on board.

Flight 444, a night flight to ATL and continuing to JFK, would sometimes operate with an L-1011 as would some flights to LAX in later years.

Also interesting were DL 1011s and DC-8s at IAH at this time.

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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 11:19 pm

I'm sure that Eastern flew the L1011 to SFO quite regularly on their flights from ATL, IAH, etc.
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 11:29 pm

I'm not sure about the L-1011, however Eastern did fly A300's into Port Columbus. I'm guessing they were used on their CMH-ATL run.
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Mon Apr 01, 2002 11:41 pm

My current airport (AUS) never had them, but my former home airport (DFW) did. Somewhere I have a picture of one parked at the gate at DFW when DFW was still fairly new, about 1975-76 or so.

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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 12:14 am

The closest cities to me, Baltimore and Pittsburgh had L1011's. Pittsburgh from Orlando and Atlanta and BWI to Atlanta. Buffalo to Toronto was sometimes an L1011. Someone was mentioning DC-10's. They did fly domestic. MIA-JFK/LAX and sometimes MIA-SJU. Every so often an EAL DC-10 came through ATL. The A300 at CMH was operating the Moonlight Special to IAH.
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 12:59 am

I got bored so I decided to do a little research. I was wrong about BWI-ATL being an L1011. Actually it was an L1011 until the mid-70's or so then BWI-SJU became an L1011. Also as for Hartford, the Hartford-SJU route was opened aound late 1987 when Eastern officially made SJU a hub. SJU was served from all over the Caribbean as well as BWI, IAD, MIA, MCO, PHL, ORD, ATL, BDL, Panama City, Panama (i didn't think that was allowed, but it's right here in black and white), and TPA. The Hartford-San Juan route was a Boeing 727-200.
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 2:20 am

They flew ATL-OMA off and on for years. I can't remember the exact dates, but I do remember seeing them as a child in the late 70s/early 80s.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 4:04 am

PVD would get them, every so often, mainly as a sports team charter or a diversion from BOS or BDL. The L10 was a rare treat to see at PVD, amongst mostly 727s and DC-9s. EA did bring in the 757 to PVD on a regular basis, around '85 or '86 I think. I've seen an EA stretch 8 in PVD on more than one occassion, in the 70s.I was always waiting for that National DC-10 to make a surprise appearance, but I don't recall that ever happening, might of, though. I can't be at the airport 24/7!
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2002 4:07 am

Eastern's Flight #64 at San Antonio that Rouge Trader mentioned. July 1978. An old pic I snapped with a Kodak Instamatic.

 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 4:37 am

My father worked for Eastern at BDL in the mid-70's. I distinctly remember him telling me stories about flights to San Juan.

This is a little off topic, but what does everyone think about an EAL comeback? So many other airlines have done it, why not Eastern?
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 4:42 am

Eastern had regular L-1011 service to SEA from ATL until the early 80's, then they seemed to swap back and forth between the Tristar and the A300 on that route until their bankruptcy. After that I only recall seeing the Airbus along with the 757.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 5:24 am

Eastern Air Lines was the launch customer for the L-1011, and they had an interesting time trying this bird out on their existing routes, as well as new ones once the Deregulation Act of 1978 took effect.

EA used the L-1011 extensively on flights to and from MIA, ATL, and SJU, as well as JFK, LGA, EWR, BOS, and IAH. Longhaul routes to the West Coast saw flights to and from LAX, SFO, SEA, and PDX as well. At times, A-300 service supplanted the L-1011 for domestic service, as the L-1011 was ideally suited for use in EA's "El Inter-Americano" service to and from South America. The A-300 was heavily used on EA's nightcoach "Moonlight Special" service connecting through IAH, where EA had contracted with a freight company to let them ship cargo in the bellies of their A-300s. The customers got to fly along with the cargo for a cheap price, but couldn't have any checked luggage since the belly was already full.

Interestingly enough, while EA loved their L-1011s, CEO Frank Borman lamented the fact that they had far too many of them, and not enough of the B-727-225, their primary workhorse in the fleet.
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Tue Apr 02, 2002 6:58 am

I'm from Nuremberg, Germany and of course my home airport was never served by a regular EA L.1011 flight, however, during the Gulf War back in March 1991 I was very surprised and happy to spot an EA Tristar at NUE. The L.1011 was flying German based U.S.troops into the Gulf region. During one of my regular trips to MIA, Fl, I was able to shoot this example of an EA L.1011:
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 7:02 am

"The Hartford-San Juan route was a Boeing 727-200"


That sounds right, however I believe in some years BDL-SJU was a A300, AA recntly had that route with a A300 up until about 1995 or so.
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 7:03 am

Lax had them from near the beginning up to the end in 1990/91 time frame..
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 7:04 am

No.....but back in the 80's Eastern have 727's at ISP
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 7:33 am

Nope
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 7:43 am

Saw one at LHR in 1979. Not in their colours though - BA colours if I remember (N323EA).

But not at MAN in any colours  Sad

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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 8:34 am

Yes, POS did see EA TriStars off and on, particularly at peak times. In their latter days serving Trinidad they shifted to the A300 and finally the 727-200, which is what they used up to their final flight in 1989 when the strike erupted. The 727 lay dormant at POS for over a month (the crew flew home on AA) until the Airports Authority impounded it. Finally the airline paid the outstanding fees and flew it away - and POS saw its last EA plane. In October 1989 EA officially withdrew from POS.

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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 10:19 am

An interesting question! TPA was one of Eastern's big stations, but oddly enough, we would rarely get an L-1011! Maybe 1 flight during the winter months, but that's it!! Usually on flights to and from EWR. Go figure! I did see one here, parked at gate 25, about 2 months before their sad demise.  Sad

Does anyone know what caused that one to almost crash between Miami & Nassau in 1983?
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 10:36 am

It had to do with a faulty O ring, resulting in fuel starvation, if memory serves. The entire synopsis of the accident was outlined in the book "Blind Trust" by John J. Nance.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 10:38 am

I posted before my mind caught up with me. It was an O ring problem in one of the engines, which had (I think) something to do with a loss of oil pressure. The crew narrowly avoided ditching in the Atlantic.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 10:40 am

If it was an O ring problem in one engine, why did they lose all 3 engines?
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 10:54 am

I wish I had access to that information. I KNOW it had something to do with a faulty O-ring, but the other information is sketchy. I seem to recall a valiant struggle to get ANY engine restarted while the crew briefed the cabin on ditching procedures, and one engine lighting after a few minutes. (Sorry...this is all from memory...the book is at home and I'm at the office!)

The ntsb.gov website doesn't have an incident synopsis on this, unfortunately.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 11:14 am

Hey guys,
could you please tell me where I can find good info (sites) on Eastern Airlines, their planes and hubs? I am specially cuious about the San Juan hub (also Pan Am SJU hub) Please????

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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 11:22 am

STL had them in the 1970's. TWA and EAL both had the tristars there. Now, I wonder if STL has any plane with more than 2 engines making a stop there.
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 11:41 am

Montreal YUL had them.. They flew YUL-LGA-ATL and I think YUL-LGA-MIA.. The A300 also flew the run for a while as well.. I liked them because hey parked on the south side of the trans border pier so you saw them immediately as you came into the airport... long before the current obstructions were built.. they looked like they were parked along with all the cars in the parking lot as seen from the entrance of the Dorval circle  Smile
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 12:17 pm

During the years of 1971-1977, my home was in Puerto Rico which meant that I flew on quite a few of Eastern's L-1011s primarily between SJU and ATL although I did a couple SJU-MIA. I remember the first time they flew into SJU.

In 1978 I flew on one between RDU and ATL (Nov of 1978)
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 12:43 pm

I'm trying to find the L1011 situation referred to here...and I can't. However, as I recall, a mechanic failed to properly install the O-rings in all three engines...causing the engines to fail.

Ooo...I found this

http://www.jnd.org/TurnSignals/TS-MillionToOne.html

"Every evening the plane was checked over by mechanics. In the check, they would remove a magnetic plug from the engine and look to see how many metal particles were sticking to the magnet. This is a good way to check on the amount of wear, indicating when the oil should be changed or the engine overhauled. After the plug is removed, there is a hole that allows oil to leak out, so of course it has to be filled with a new plug, and the plug itself sealed with a rubber "O-ring."

Well, the plane was checked, serviced, and returned to duty. Unfortunately, they didn't put O-rings on the plugs, so they leaked. All three of them. This despite the fact that two different mechanics serviced the three engines, despite the fact that after servicing, they turned on each engine to check for leaks. Why weren't the O-rings put in place? The mechanics had even signed a check-list that they had installed the O-rings.

The problem was, for the many years they had been working at the job, they had never ever installed O-rings. Their supervisor always did it for them. The supervisor tried to be helpful. For years, he would get the plugs and the O-rings from the warehouse, put the O-rings on the plugs, and then store the assembled parts in his desk drawer. This made it easier for the mechanics to do their job, so easy in fact, that these mechanics had never ever had to get the parts themselves from the warehouse or install the rings on the plugs."

 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 1:51 pm

With regards to Tampa I flew EWR-TPA on a Eastern L1011 around Christmas '82 or '83, the following Christmas I flew EWR TPA on a Pan Am Dc-10. The return flight was a Pan Am L-1011, and I sat next to Yogi Beara who was flying back to NY with George Steinbrenner and a couple other Yankees.

I had my photos taken with them at both TPA and EWR but alas I lost the camera, ugh!.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 1:57 pm

I'm not sure about L1011s, but EA would bring in A300s during the peak Christmas season to Ottawa. I think Montreal got the 1011s.
 
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 3:38 pm

Jfk had plenty of L1011's in addition to LGA. I don't recall ever seeing their DC-10 at JFK. If anyone knows if they did please advise.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 3:46 pm

On a related note, where was eastern's base? ATL? I know they had a lot of flights out of there as well as Washington and Boston but where was there base and major hubs?
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 5:24 pm

Miami was Eastern's base and home.

Atlanta was the largest hub for the airline.

At one time the hubs were at MIA, ATL, JFK, SJU, MCI and IAH (for the moonlight special flights).

I have several EA timetables and brochures from the 70s, 80s and 90-91 and I still have my EA flight attendant manuals. If anyone has a specific question please feel free to email me and I will try to get you the information you need.

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EA L1011 In DUS (!)

Tue Apr 02, 2002 10:16 pm

Well, not quite as you might think...

LTU dry-leased an EA L1011 (I think it was N323EA) for the summer season in 1988 or so. The aircraft was operated in EA's bare-metal scheme with the blueish parts painted in LTU's red. I was lucky to fly on it from DUS to AGP that year.


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N.B.: This isn't N323EA, but another (ex-)EA L1011 leased a couple of years later with the same paint-scheme.

So it seems like EA's L1011 turn up at a whole lot more places than you might have thought.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 11:46 pm

I took a EA L-1011 from ATL-ORD in 1974. It was the SJU-ATL-ORD run. I remember it arrived at ORD late in the evening. I was connecting from a MSY-ATL flight.
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Tue Apr 02, 2002 11:47 pm

Charlotte and Philadelphia were also Eastern hubs. At one time or another, EAL L-1011s were regularly scheduled into St. Louis, Omaha, Greensboro, Chicago, and Buffalo as well as the cities mentioned already. At the very end of Eastern's life, L-1011s were also scheduled from Los Angeles to Honolulu for Frequent Flyer award travel only (plus employee non-revs). I think maybe only one of these was flown. Eastern based some L-1011s in Rome during Operation Desert Shield. As a flight attendant, I worked L-1011 Whisperliners to Atlanta, Orlando, West Palm Beach, Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Montego Bay, San Juan, Bermuda, Buffalo, Toronto, Philadelphia, Newark, New York-Laguardia, New York-Kennedy, and Los Angeles. They were a pain to work because of the difficult meal and beverage carts but the lifts and lower galley were cool. Also, Eastern never modified the original overhead bins so carry-on storage was always a problem. I much preferred the A300 to work but riding First-Class on an L-Ten was wonderful!
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Wed Apr 03, 2002 2:37 am

The L-1011's climate-control system was prone to spewing out water vapor when condensation became a problem in high-humidity stations like MIA, MCO, PBI, etc.

You'd see vapor billowing from the ceiling vents, which REALLY freaked out some of the passengers. More than one flight attendant would joke on the P.A. "Breathe deeply....the gas will not hurt you..."  Smile
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RE: Eastern L1011's: Did Your City Have 'em?

Thu Apr 04, 2002 6:32 am

To say that my city had L-1011 service would be an understatement. Between Eastern and Delta, I think most of the L1011s they owned flew out of ATL.

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