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Crew Rest Summary

Tue Apr 02, 2002 2:58 pm

Crew Rest in the U.S. has been one of the most popular issues discussed in this forum. In this thread I would like everybody to contribute what they know about this issue so that in the future anybody with questions on this topic can be directed to this thread. First, I would like to get a list of the FAA crew rest guidelines or a brief summary. Then we could compare how crew rest guidelines differ between airlines and the facilities used for crew rest on different airplanes within the airlines (744 cabins, first class seats in 76's). We can also discuss popular issues such as Delta's 764's problems with Crew Rest and United's 763's on Hawaii routes. The issues that exist between older tri-jets being replaced with twins. Questions are also welcome. Here's a list of some airlines and their planes whose crew rest I would like to learn about:

DL: 767-300ER, 777-200ER, MD-11
UA: 767-300ER, 777-200ER, 747-400
NW: DC-10-30/40, 747-400, 747-200
CO: 767-200ER, 767-400ER, 777-200ER
US: A330-300, 767-200ER
AA: 767-300ER, 767-200ER, 777-200ER

To start off DL on their 767-300ER use a business first seat for crew rest on flights over 8 hours.

It's not limited to U.S. airlines if people want to contribute stuff on non-U.S. airlines.
I'm especially curious about what US Airways uses for crew rest on their 333's and 762's?

Thanks for contributions!
 
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RE: Crew Rest Summary

Tue Apr 02, 2002 3:52 pm

I know that on AA 762's and 763's from JFK to Rio De Janaro, they leave seat 2E open for a crew rest seat. I also know that American very often leaves the last row of coach in the middle 38-42 on international and transcon flights open for crew rest. Hope This helps.
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aq737
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RE: Crew Rest Summary

Tue Apr 02, 2002 4:21 pm

On one Delta 772ER, didn't they put th eoverhead rests? On the DL 764s, the pilots aren't happy with the F or B class so, they don;t fly route 8+ hours. That's why SLC was added and DFW and ATL deleted. UA & AA fly from ORD alond with TZ. I;m not sure about them. Anyone else?

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762er
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RE: Crew Rest Summary

Wed Apr 03, 2002 2:57 am

Delta on some of their MD-11's have a pull out little cot that comes out of a lavatory-like room behind the cockpit. The MD-11 pilots call it the coffin.
 
mehtabrahman
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RE: Crew Rest Summary

Wed Apr 03, 2002 3:20 am

On Bangladesh Biman, I have observed air crew taking rest and sleep on a double decked bed behind the cockpit on long haul flights (more than 5 hours). Have also seen some air hostesses taking rest in designated crew rest areas in the middle of the MD-10-30 aircrafts, with a elegant cover on the seats that read 'For crew rest only' in red italics.
 
mikeymike
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RE: Crew Rest Summary

Wed Apr 03, 2002 3:26 am

A couple of things should be stated first:

1) Are we talking about Pilots or both Pilots and F/A's

2) The regulations should be stipulated first:

To answer the above questions, i'll assume that both the F/A's and the pilots are being referred to.

The FARs mandate that on all flights over 8 hours but under 12 hours block to block that a 2 man flight deck have 1 relief pilot. On all flights over 12 hours must have 2 relief pilots. For Flight attendants, there are no federally mandated crew rest requirements.

The FARs also DO NOT stipulate that on 8 to 12 hour flights, an airline has to provide some sort of crew rest facility, however, on 12+ hour flights, an airline must provide adequate bunk facilities.

As for Delta, 7 MD-11 aircraft configured for 12+ hour flights have a double pull-out bunk aft of the flight deck on the left hand side of the aircraft. The other 8 MD-11's give the pilot a BusinessElite seat plus an additional legrest to provide horizontal leg elevation. The F/As on both MD-11's recieve an enhanced Y/C seat at 45" of pitch at the rear right side of the coach cabin.

Deltas 767 and 777's (except 7002) are set up similar to the MD-11 trans-atlantic aircraft for both Pilots and F/A's. Deltas ship 7002 has an overhead facility for both the pilots (door 1) and the F/A's (door 3). The pilots get two bunks and two seats while the F/A's get 8 bunks and 2 seats.

 
apathoid
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RE: Crew Rest Summary

Wed Apr 03, 2002 3:38 am

Yeah, watching the autopilot fly the plane can be such a strain.  Insane
 
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RE: Crew Rest Summary

Wed Apr 03, 2002 6:21 am

Can someone explain what an overhead facility is?

The F/As on both MD-11's recieve an enhanced Y/C seat at 45" of pitch at the rear right side of the coach cabin.

I've monitored this situation a lot because I often ask to be seated far back in the middle row of seats if I'm flying in coach - its more likely to be empty.

Why do the F/A's need a rest seat that is better than most of the paying passengers get?

I find it annoying that the airline's employees are more comfortable than the passengers. Also, I often see the F/A's eating first class meals with a real cooked breakfast on real china back here, when the rest of us are enjoying our plastic food and tablewear.

I think one of the reasons coach seats are so uncomfortable on long flights is b/c the airline employees rarely have to sit in them. Furthermore, the airline is admitting that their uncomfortable by provding better seats for the 1 or 2 hours the employee has to use it.

kind regards,

RogueTrader
 
US A333 PIT
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RE: Crew Rest Summary

Wed Apr 03, 2002 6:22 am

Does anybody know what crew rest facilities US Airways has on their A333's and 762's? I assume the 762 is just a first class seat. What about their A330-300?
 
mikeymike
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RE: Crew Rest Summary

Wed Apr 03, 2002 9:20 am

Rogue Trader....much of it has to do with the fact that a crew of 12 have to work 11 hours on a 12 hour flight. Its similar to anything else, they need to get off their feet get an adequate level of rest in order to maintain a sufficient level of awareness in the work environment. Many safety factors come into play here. Work a 10 to 12 hour flight and tell me whether or not you need a rest period and have a rest facility that provides you with some sort of comfort level.
 
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RE: Crew Rest Summary

Wed Apr 03, 2002 3:21 pm

Anybody know about US Airways A333's crew rest facilities?