Victor
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Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Thu Apr 04, 2002 6:07 pm

I just booked Korean Air flight from Hong Kong via Seoul to LA during my summer holiday.. I want to know any one flew KE before.. And how are KE like?
Okay.. Thank you ...  Smile
 
bluewhite
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Thu Apr 04, 2002 7:29 pm

I have and I found them fairly average in terms of service.
Of interest, they take off very very quickly (probably under full power) but you'll know what I mean when you fly them.

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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Thu Apr 04, 2002 7:33 pm

Geez!!!
Someone who flew Korean.....and lived to tell the tale.  Wow!
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 2:22 am

They are quite good. Lots of leg room in Economy, good food (heavy on fish, seafood and vegetables), polite service, clean planes. You will not see 120 channels of entertainment and fawning FAs, but you will see comfort, professionalism, and finesse.
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Victor
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 2:28 am

Here is my flight..
29June KE604 HK to Seoul Dep.Time:1250 Arr.Time:1710 Aircraft:B777-300
29June KE011 Seoul to LA Dep.Time:2020 Arr.Time:1520 Aircraft:B747-400
20July KE016 LA to Seoul Dep.Time:2330 Arr.Time:0405/22July Aircraft:B747-400
22July KE603 Seoul to HK Dep.Time:0840 Arr.Time:1130 Aircraft:B777-300
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:16 am

I'd go along with Jaysit: it's good service. I flew a few sectors out there when I was working with KAL some years ago and never had a problem: punctual flights and helpful crew. I have to say that I was surprised at the poor level of English of the flight crew that I bumped into on the bus into Kimpo from the computer center where I was based. KAL has a poor safety record, but things are improving and I'd fly them again for sure.

Mind you, stormy night into a tricky airport and we start climbing away on a go-around and you'd probably see me counting the seat rows I had to walk before finding an exit. Just as a safety measure you know, I'm not casting aspertions on the flight crew.

Victor - BTW, I don't know why exactly, but that route to SEL up from HKG can be really choppy. I guess it's something to do with winds coming off the mainland. Or maybe I was just a bit unlucky the times I flew it, but it's nowt to be concerned about.
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 4:13 am

Agree with Jaysit 100%. Professional and tidy. I enjoyed their service DFW-SEL-BKK and back.
I've flown on 9V-SPK.
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 4:31 am

Have a great trip...
Never have had a problem with them. Polite, professional, good service, and the safety record is improving by leaps and bounds, and many, many peole fly KE and walk away just fine... (of course, I'm a little biased... Big grin) The planes are rather new, especially the 773 out of ICN. The 744 service out of LAX is nice as well.

But if I had a choice, I'd still fly them.

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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 4:38 am

Delta and Air France were happy with the latest internal safety audit, so code-sharing has resumed with both carriers (Delta code-shares beginning in May).

I myself am booked on a Korean flight LHR-ICN-SYD and back in December/Jan, and looking forward to this 'roomy' Economy with its 34" seat pitch!

Great livery, btw.

Regards
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 5:00 am

Capt. Picard, I've flown that route, and I have to say that you're in for a treat. If possible, try and find out what the winds are like, because you'll be arriving early in the morning and the sunrise when flying the coast of Australia is awesome. So, if the winds are coming in from the north, you'll want to be seated on the right (as in opposite of left) side of the plane, and if the winds are coming from the south, I'd say go for a seat in the left side of the plane.
Either way, you'll be getting one fine view of Sydney!
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 5:28 am

Great experience on KE - HNL-ICN-LAX / SFO-ICN-HNL. I would rate KE's Prestige business class one of the best, although seat recline leaves much to be desired. Cabin service and food, to me at least, is excellent and beats all American carriers. When was the last time you were asked how you would like your steak done? Toothbrushes w/ toothpaste, combs and shoe horns are in all lavs, mid-flight snacks are in the galley areas throughout the aircraft.

ICN is a world-class airport. Bright, modern and functional. The food court airside is great - choice of western and asian meals and they accept foreign currency! Only thing lacking is rail transport to Seoul, but they are working on it and it should be up and running by 2005.
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 9:46 am

I think that you would really like Korean Air! There are usually 2 or 3 flights into Incheon from LAX every day. But only 1 or 2 of them are new planes that include the new "Morning Calm First Class". I frequently fly with Asiana, but the Korean Air flight attendents were very nice to me when I helped check in my grandmother for her KE012 flight to ICN.
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 11:00 am

I admit I have had very limited experience on Korean Airlines, but I must admit I was very pleasently surprised. The service was very good. The FA's could not have been nicer. I had some concerns about safety, but ...... I have made it.

You will really enjoy the new Inchon airport. It is something!

 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:43 pm

I flew them this summer:

DFW-ICN 747-400
ICN-PEK 777-300

Over all, it was about average. It was my first time on an Asian carrier, and I greatly enjoyed the experience. It's not something to write home about, but it is a very professional, clean, and friendly airline.

In Economy, I was surprised by how much my seat would recline, it was more than I have ever experienced before.

The food was pretty good, mostly Asian dishes, and the flight attendants were very helpful and attentive.

Enjoy your trip.

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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 5:14 pm

Well, I flew once GMP-PUS with KE AB6 and ICN-HKG on a 773. Both flights where very nice, good food (ICN-HKG), nice crew and everything was fine...
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:19 pm

There was a story in Flight International a couple of weeks ago on a KAL stopover in Anchorage early this year (and probably long discussed in this forum) - after refueling they took off from the taxiway. If taking of at full power is a company policy - why not, right?
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:39 pm

To observe the operation of KE, I am not sure why KE has so poor safety record as AA to get rid of mileage-alliance with KE. They communicates smoothly in ATC, and no worry about behavior in landing and depature. Have a fun with KE, and if whether permitting enjoy how Tokyo city
in Japan looks from the height of 30000-40000ft enroute  Smile
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:46 pm

Hey Geert, that's CAL from Taiwan, not KAL from Korea. I have witnessed several things critical about CAL, but never about KAL.
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 11:05 pm

Thank you Smolt for setting me straight. I trusted on my memory but in these thing one should know for sure. Sorry for that.
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 11:25 pm

CPH-R,

Thanks for the advice-I have actually flown the SYD approach before, flying in from the North before looping back to make a sort of Northwards-facing landing (don't know what the R/W orientations are).

Seems most people rate them above-average in terms of service-so I, as well as Victor am looking forward to the flight-I'm still slightly nervous about flying with an airline which has had a number of accidents, but hey-ho, the fare beat every other airline from UK to Australia!

Regards
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 11:35 pm

Our company forbids corporate travel on KE for safety reasons . Currently there are five airlines on that list.
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 3:12 am

Greg,

That is really ridiculous, but then again I've heard various storys from people who's company dont allow them to fly any american carrier (after 11/9). Quiet frustrating if the only direct flights to the US out of BRU are operated solely by US carriers.

Capt.Picard and Victor,

KE are among the best airlines in the whole wide world. Their service is outstanding, their fleet one of the youngest around, ICN is a really nice airport and I would never doubt their safety.

Enjoy your trip and I'm looking forward to your trip reports.

ooh and Greg,

Do consider trying them on a leisure trip, you'll love it!

Regards, manni
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Victor
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 4:07 am

Thank you your all comment...
Actually I am quite worry about KE their safety. But never mind.. I think KE must have improvie a lot in this few years. So never mind..Also their price is so good.. At least cheaper than CX and UA. So that why i choose KE..
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 4:11 am

Incheon is so nice! Go visit the website to see what you're in for! (www.wingedcity.com)
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 4:44 am

Victor, dont worry about their safety! Funny that you mention UA as being a better alternative if they were cheaper, I would be worried about their security instead. UA aren't better than KE, they dont come even close IMO, but CX and KE are equals.
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 8:07 am

Funny someone should mentioned that they're on a banned list, but what really amusing is that they have made such a leap in safety that the US Department of Defense has them as an acceptable carrier...if it's ok for the US government, it's ok for me.

have a great trip!

Regards,
Tom
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 8:59 am

Victor, Its all good, I was worried for my relatives' safety when they went off and flew KAL, but i remained optimistic. They havent had a huge crash ever since the one in Guam. I would fly KAL over United, but the safety of KE worries me at times. The service of KAL overpowers the thought of KE's history and i hope that my hopes stay that way. (unless KAL has another crash).
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 9:36 am

I have flown Korean Airlines before! It was a wonderful experience. I had flown them on the BNE-SYD-ICN route. The stewardesses very kindly greet you when you board the aircraft, you know bowing and smiling at you, its very nice. The aircrafts i flew on were a little old and a bit tatty but there was soooooo much space, you could actually comfortably sleep in their economy class seat, their seats have excellent recline too. The stewardesses i was served by couldnt speak a word of english or japanese, so there was a bit of a communication problem, but still they look after you extermely well. Victor, I can guarantee you flying Korean air will be an amazing experience for you. Have fun!

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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 12:42 pm

Nope, nobody ever has. They have been flying without passengers from the very beginning.

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist the urge to give a silly answer - after all, the question sounds a bit funny  Smokin cool )
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 12:45 pm

NO, and I never will.
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 3:21 pm

Manni, how nice to hear from you my friend...

I've seen you've kept quiet ever since I posted those Guam CVR transcripts and NTSB accident report links a few weeks ago on the last KE safety-related topic.

It's true the US DoD has put them back on the approved list -- I hope they continue to improve, but you cannot deny that there was ONCE a time where KE was NOT safe, for a first world airline!

Oh, and please do name companies that prohibit travel on US carriers...
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 3:50 pm

Manni your statement regarding UA and its security is rather absurd. I fly United alot and I think they have some of the best security measures now. For example... in Sydney Kingsford Smith, United has 2 gates walled off now where every single passenger has their baggage searched and their shoe's. KE and other airlines dont... So how do you find UA's security to be less than others? I guess you really know exactly whats going on in the airline world these days!

Victor... I know you will have a great time! its always great to try out another airline! I look forward to hearing how everything goes for you!

Cheers!
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 6:13 am

>>>They havent had a huge crash ever since the one in Guam.

You kidding? After Guam, they lost another four planes, two 747, one MD11 and one MD80. KE is in fact the airline that lost the highest number of 747s: five. And this was not a streak of bad luck.

I seriously doubt that an airline with a safety problem that huge can transform theselves into a first rate airline within a mere two years. And the fact that AF and DL now code share with the again, could it have something to do with some major sports event being staged in Korea in six weeks time?
WIth all due respect, I personally would not fly KE, at least not yet.

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: Any One Flew Korean Air Before?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 6:22 am

Airsicknessbag,

If I were to be 100% honest, I would admit that had I more money, I would have avoided flying Korean, whatever people on this forum may say.

The likelihood of my dying in a plane crash is remote, so therefore, on balance, I decided it was ok to go ahead and book with KE.

However, I don't agree with your contention that Delta and Air France have only started codesharing due to the upcoming Football Championship; this would imply that the codeshare agreement would be withdrawn after the games-which I really don't think is the case.

I'm more inclined to believe (although not 100% convinced) that they are genuinely happy with KE after their safety audits concluded big changes have been made towards a much safer operation.

Regards
 
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RE: Capt.Picard

Sun Apr 07, 2002 8:07 am

>>>The likelihood of my dying in a plane crash is remote, so therefore, on balance, I decided it was ok to go ahead and book with KE.

Of course. The chance of dying expressed in absolute numbers is very, very, VERY low, even on "unsafe" airlines. Statistically speaking, you have to fly 80 years nonstop before you die in an aircrash, maybe it´s "only" 40 years on "unsafe" airlines. Unsafe is a relative term, not an absulte one. Just an interesting comparison between LH and KE: number of planes lost since 1975: LH 1 - KE 15; number of passengers dying in these accidents: LH 1 - KE 644; and LH carries roughly twice as many pax as KE...


>>>However, I don't agree with your contention that Delta and Air France have only started codesharing due to the upcoming Football Championship; this would imply that the codeshare agreement would be withdrawn after the games-which I really don't think is the case.
I'm more inclined to believe (although not 100% convinced) that they are genuinely happy with KE after their safety audits concluded big changes have been made towards a much safer operation.
But maybe it, well, increased the amount of good will AF and DL extended towards KE during the evaluation. But I´m certainly not in a position to issue a competent judgement on that. But I certainly hope YOU are right, and not me.

Anyway, enjoy your trip!

Daniel Smile