scottysair
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Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:30 am

Just came in as for news by today on press releases. So read this!!

Delta will continue to build its service between Atlanta and London's Gatwick Airport by offering a fourth flight this summer. Delta will operate three flights daily and a fourth flight three days a week, with service from Atlanta on Thursday, Friday and Saturday and from London on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. All London flights will feature Delta's BusinessElite service. As Delta introduces the additional Atlanta-London frequencies, it will discontinue nonstop service between Boston and London, effective June 1. Delta will continue to offer nonstop daily service to London from its Cincinnati hub.
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:36 am

What's the reason for DL scrapping BOS-LGW? Poor loads?

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scottysair
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:38 am

Because this is happened with BOS-LGW were very low load factors on the passengers in flight.  Sad
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 4:02 am

That's a shame.
Mind, I did express my doubts when I asked DL about the service a few months ago and posted the response on here. The fact that they kept on stressing how important and crucial the route was for the future of their BOS plans made me more than suspicious.
The facts make grim reading. Average load since 9/11, less than 50%, yield below operating cost, massive discounting (cheapest this easter holiday on the service was 149GBP plus taxes).
But is it the route which is a dud, or does BOS-Europe rely on connecting traffic rather than point to point ?
Was it a "chicken or the egg" problem, i.e., was the route launched before DL had set up an adequate feeder schedule ?
Does this lay to rest Delta's transatlantic ambitions out of BOS?
I have said it before on here, if a carrier as successful as DL over the atlantic can not sustain service out of BOS to LGW, could anyone make money out of it ?
It is always a shame to see a route fail, and this is no exception.
However, it is reassuring to see that DL's presence will be maintained by the addition of a 4th ATL service.

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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 6:07 am

Sad to see the route being dropped. But i think BOS-LGW could work in the future once Delta builds a strong presence at BOS.

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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 6:09 am

DL should have done BOS-CDG first IMO.
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 6:35 am

but who operates Boston - Heathrow????

BA has 1 daily, United does.... then AA has 2 flights low season, 3 high season I believe..... *scratches head* isn't Virgin in there too??

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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 6:46 am

Virgin flies to Boston aswell with 747's
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 6:50 am

It's the other way round....BA has 3 daily services (all 777) and the others UA, AA and VS just one!  Smile
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:35 am

I don't believe DL's strength in Boston has anything to do with the lack of success on the LGW run. In my opinion, pure and simple, it was the route that was the dud...not the carrier, not the respective cities. People just think 'Heathrow' when they think of London, and when there are so many LHR-BOS flights (and most, if not all, do well), LGW is easily pushed into the background. Virgin made a go of the route because, well, they are Virgin. There's a following with that carrier wherever they go. And the fact that DL could not make a go of this route even after Virgin switched to Heathrow is even more telling: people want Heathrow.

Now, what does this say about other transatlantic routes from Boston? On the whole, you've got to expect that, by and large, you're not going to fill planes all the time in the off-season. There are routes that DL's 767-300 might have been better positioned on...Dublin, for one.

With so many other ways to London from most cities, the DL BOS-LGW route was easily lost in the noise. I hope they don't give up transatlantic plans for Boston, just think smarter about a better airport than LGW...especially when there are 7x BOS-LHR flights to compete agaist each day.
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:37 am

Delta......fancy a wee BOS- GLA with that spare aircraft ? A 767 would do .
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:37 am

I think it's this way:
BA has 3x (2 777s and a 744)
VS has 1 (a 744, soon to be a A340)
UA has 1 (a 767-300)
AA has 2 (a 767-300 and a 777)

Total, 7x each day
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:39 am

Wasnt Delta doing real good on this route pre 9/11?
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:55 am

2cn,
no!
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:03 am

Actually, loads were very good on the flight however the problems were as follows:
1) Tiny Margins: While loads were high, the price for tickets were quite low whereby margins were slim to none.
2) Competition: As pointed above, 5 airlines on the route and 4 of which flew to Heathrow not Gatwick
3) No feed: ACJet provided relatively low feed
4) No connections: flights arrived to late to hit many connections. Why would a pax fly Delta from LGW to LAX stopping in BOS witha 3 hour layover when they could fly LHR-LAX direct (and vice versa)

 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 9:19 am

why move it to atl . cvg needs a second lgw flight
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:06 am

I would not be surprised to see this route resumed if/when DL gets LHR access. At least we got flights to ACK now...

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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 1:07 pm

Shame to see it go, but I guess DL had no choice. If DL were to ever get LHR authority, I think they'd bring this route back in a heartbeat. Even w/o LHR access, this route might come back in about 4 years after the new terminal is open and DL has more feed added in.
 
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Wait A Second...

Fri Apr 05, 2002 1:33 pm

Could I get a source for this information please. I have not heard anything in this regard; not saying that it is not true, but some more confirmation would be great.

thanks,

JvW
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 1:41 pm

It can be found in the news section on Delta.com, although I beleive that it is under the headline mentioning expanded service in ATL and Florida.
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:10 pm

Not surprising, but sad news

I have used BOS LGW twice this winter, and it was always empty.

Ill have to find another way to get to the north east!

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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:16 pm

This is the major problem with BOS from the UK. It is a very seasonal service. Flights are packed in the summer, but wide open in the winter. As BOS is no ones real hub, the majority are BOS o/d traffic, which is tough against the LHR competition.

Traffic from MAN to BOS is enormous, but they all want to fly from June to September.
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:08 pm

So, the 4th ATL-LGW flight, what aircraft? MD11 I hope!

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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:14 pm

The fourth flight will utilize a B767-300ER.

For the record, the three daily ATL-LGW flights will be two MD-11s and, thank the Lord, the B777 returns to LGW running DL58/DL59.
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:41 pm

maybe Delta thought there was more profits in adding an Atlanta - London Gatwick flight then BOS-lgw. These airlines only have certain number of slots so an additional flight from Atlanta means something else has to go. Also BOS -LGW is grossly uncompetitive compared to BOS-LHR which all other airlines use!
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Fri Apr 05, 2002 9:29 pm

BOS LON has always been difficult to make money on, and many many airlines have come and gone from this route.

DL joins NW and TW as US airlines having stopped flyingthis route.

Neither BOS or LGW are hub airports, and the BOS catchment area is small.

With four carriers, and having to serve LGW, the days were numbered.
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Sat Apr 06, 2002 1:03 am

Well, why didn't the folks at Delta see all this before they decided upon Gatwick as the launch city for BOS transatlantic service? All of the factors that caused weak loads were in place before they started the service, and blaming 9/11 won't fly because that is a real poor argument in this instance. In my view, Gatwick works as a destination from U.S. cities that have no Heathrow service. But with a glut of capacity BOS-LHR, there's even less reason to use LGW. Indeed, I don't know what the math works out to with BA flying two 747-400s and a 777; AA flying a 767-300 and a 777; United a 767-300; and Virgin a 747-400. No other city (save for new York or DC) probably has as many seats out of Boston...not LA, not SF, not Chicago (well, maybe Chicago...but I'll bet it is close)
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Sat Apr 06, 2002 1:14 am

I don't think this is the end for Delta's translatlantic plans for BOS. Their new terminal which will be complete in 2005 will have its own immigration and customs facilities. I would expect to see service to other European cities, and again to London once Heathrow is opened up.
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Sat Apr 06, 2002 1:30 am

Why dont they fly to CDG instead where they have the alliance with AF
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Sat Apr 06, 2002 1:31 am

US carriers seem to rush to grab any unused traffic rights, irrespective of the logic or commercial viability (eg AA on LHR-PHL). They hope that operating the traffic right to wherever will have a value in itself. Once/if open skies are negotiated, these stunts will end
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Sat Apr 06, 2002 6:07 am

Delta "does" fly to CDG from BOS, having the code share on Air France's twice daily Boston flights. The Paris market is also pretty full, with AF having an A340 and 763 and American having a 763 each day.

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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Sat Apr 06, 2002 7:01 am

Delta tried the BOS-LGW route, so it did not work? I am just surprised as to how quickly they are dropping the route......and I found the timing odd, cancelling just in time for the peak summer season. All a bit strange.

I guess that DL's transatlantic expansion out of BOS will be put on hold for a while, shame, there is so much transatlantic traffic out of BOS and no US carrier can seem to break into that market. UA and AA have a handful of flights to London and Paris, but that is it. NW has tried BOS, BN has tried BOS, etc. etc. with no success.

If any US carrier would open up a BOS-DUB route, it would be an instant success, in my opinion, there is so much traffic between those cities at all fare levels. Connections would not be necessary, the route would work on O&D traffic alone.
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Sun Apr 07, 2002 12:44 pm

side note, i just flew LGW-BOS-MCO a week and a half ago and it was great, i hate pond crossings to the south because the flights are so long, i prefer connecting via BOS to minamiize the pond crossing the flight was over sold from LGW-BOS
 
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RE: Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW

Sun Apr 07, 2002 6:09 pm

I don't think that Delta's connection times at Boston were a problem, I think that BOS is just more of an O&D destination. An example. UA isn't the biggest presence on the route but lets analyze it. From BOS United flies to (without codeshares) JFK, IAD, ORD, DEN, SFO, LAX and LHR. All of the following destinations have non-stop service on United to LHR with the exception of DEN. DEN has 2 direct (but plane change) flights to LHR, one stopping at O'Hare, the other in Boston. I suppose it might be partially affected by the DEN aspect, but it seems this flight is mostly O&D.

Other carriers like AA which have a stronger presence at BOS might see it differently, i dunno.

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