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Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 9:51 am

Well... runway numbers are, apparently, based on the direction (in degrees) that the runway faces. So... what's zero? Due North? Okay... is it True North or Magnetic North? At Kansai International, a huge plan of which is hanging in front of me at this moment, the runway is at a precise 51-degree angle to True North, so you'd think that it would be numbered 05, given that only the first 2 digits of the three-(possible)-digit number are used. But no, it's actually 06. I assume that this is because the runway is at a 57-degree, 46-minute, 42-second angle to Magnetic North, which makes one wonder why they aligned it perfectly at 51-degrees with True North. Anyway... can someone please explain how exactly runways are numbered?
 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 9:59 am

Runway numbers are taken from a compass heading, so they are all in magnetic, not true. 057 degrees rounds to 060, so that's why its Rwy 6. All runway numbers are rounded to their nearest 10 degree interval (to keep things simple I bet). True, north is zero, but 360 or Runway 36 is used. If it were at 005 degrees, I guess they could go either way, 360-Rwy 36 or 010-Rwy 10.
 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:01 am

Okay, so my next question is - how do you find Magnetic North on a computer? Let's say you're designing an airport for France here in the USA... how do you know what angle to put it at without flying over there, pulling out the ol' compass, hoping you're standing at the right angle, and shooting?
 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:12 am

If memory serves me correct, from a brief intro to TERPS that I received, there may be a magnetic correction that is part of the determination.
 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:15 am

In Canada,the airspace is divided in two as far as rwy orientation is concerned: We have the Southern Domestic airspace, and Northern domestic airspace. They split pretty much equally in the middle (longitudinally, of course) of the country. In the southern domestic airspace, the rwy numbers are in reference to the magnetic north: North would be rwy 36,181 degs would be rwy 18 etc...

Moving north of the country, magnetic variation lines (isogonic lines for you fancy shmancy people) behave errradically because you are getting close to the magnetic pole. This phenomena, known as "magnetic dip" causes the compass to behave erradically since you are beginning to overfly nature's big ass magnet. Therefore this zone up North requires all headings (including rwy orientation) to be in reference to the true north.

Hope this helps!

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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:30 am

Next question - are the degrees taken clockwise or counterclockwise? If a runway points due North, it's 36, so if its 60 degrees to the left, is that Runway 30 (300 deg.) or runway 06 (60 deg.)??? I was under the assumption that the degrees always went counterclockwise, such that it would be Runway 06. Anyone know for sure?
 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:34 am

The degrees go clockwise, north is 0/360, east is 90, south is 180, west is 270.

 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:44 am

Talk about complicating a simple matter here.
Runway numbers are assigned according to the direction that they lie in relation to magnetic north rounded to the nearest tenth with the last digit dropped.
This is generally worldwide with the Canadian exception above; there may be others, eg: Antarctica could possibly follow the Canadian example (the other way around obviously) as regards the South Magnetic Pole.
 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 11:00 am

http://www.worldaerodata.com gives the difference betw magnetic and true at its hundreds (thousands?) of world airports.
 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 12:14 pm

Worldaerodata seems only to provide the True headings.
 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 12:21 pm

Sorry, I was looking under the runway information. The basic airport info. does include a "magnetic variation".
 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 6:28 pm

It's interesting to note that sometimes airports renumber their runways. For example, RWY 14L/14R at Houston Intercontinental is now 15L/15R. The magnetic variation changes slowly over time.
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:26 pm

It would be crazy to number runways anything other than in respect of magnetic north (with the exceptions mentioned previously). One of the basic checks that should be made before take off is: is the compass heading the same as the runway - its one of the ways of confirming you're on the right runway. Use anything other than magnetic and this basic safety check isn't possible.

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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:30 pm

Who's planning on telling China Airlines about this basic safety check? Big grin
 
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RE: Runway Numbering... Argh!

Fri Apr 05, 2002 9:18 pm

>Use anything other than magnetic and this basic safety check isn't possible

Of course Skymonster - you could use the great big white numbers on the Threshold!!!!

Alignment is based on Magnetic, because short of chucking it out of the window the compass is the only 100% reliable instrument on an aircraft. Everything else can go "Pete Tong" on a plane, the compass and the earths magnetic field will be fine!

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