aio86
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What's The Deal With Bur?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 6:43 pm

Ok great news from BUR, new Aloha service from HNL on the 737-700. Ok we all heard this but now I have some questions.

If this 737 has the range to do this, what is stopping carriers from flying to routes such as ORD, IAD or NYC. There is definately a market, as many people in the San Fernando Valley would prefer BUR to LAX. In the past the excuses have been the aircraft cannot take off on such a short runway, but if the Aloha plane can do it, why couldn't an airline such as United or American.

American could use its MD-80s to ORD. Really, how much further is it from DFW anyways?

United could use the A320 or at least A319 to reach ORD, JFK, EWR or IAD. Most likely ORD or IAD, yet the valley could benefit from a New York flight.

Even Southwest could launch a BUR-MDW flight using the 737-700.

The space is there. AA's gate is deserted after 9AM until boarding for teh 3PM flight, and then nothing after that. I'm sure UA isn't too crowded. They have an entire wing of the terminal and only have to share it with Alaska.

So saying UA and AA use the A319 and MD-80 on these flights I see no restrictions that shouldn't apply to Aloha as well.

Please someone enlighten me to the answer: why doesn't Burbank have flights to the nations major cities east of the Mississippi?

Thanks
-aio86
 
jabpilot
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RE: What's The Deal With Bur?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 4:14 am

As a 33 year BUR resident, I've also wondered why we are so underserved. In the past we were much better served with nonstop flights to ORD (AA and UA), STL (TWA), SLC (WA and DL). I can't figure out why UA or AA won't try ORD again.

AA currently has 3 flights daily to DFW and the loads are really good, wouldn't once daily to ORD make sense, or why SW won't try any expansion to the Midwest. I share your curiousity and am really looking foward to Aloha's new service.

Jeff

 
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RE: What's The Deal With Bur?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 4:35 am

I would think that WN service to Midway has to be on the drawing board...
 
lanperu
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Let's Not Forget...

Sun Apr 07, 2002 4:39 am

FedEx lands a A300-600F daily, and if it lands it must take off, so I wonder too.
 
aio86
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RE: What's The Deal With Bur?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 5:52 am

Good point, there is the FedEx A300. Plus UPS and I think DHL have 757 service out of BUR. Aren't those companies hubs far away, like in Kentucky etc. That's a whole lot further than ORD. Plus isn't a cargo plane full with cargo and fuel heavier than a passenger plane?

Jabpilot, I didn't know that BUR had service to STL and ORD in the past. That's interesting.

Please someone supply us with an answer.

-aio86
 
jabpilot
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RE: Aio86

Sun Apr 07, 2002 6:25 am

As for BUR-ORD in the past, UA served the route with a 767-200 and AA with the MD-80, both during the early-mid 80's.

FYI: Cargo... FedEx, UPS, Ameriflight and AirNet all serve BUR but no DHL. They wanted to start service about 1-2 yrs. but plans fell through and I think it was over their choice of aircraft the 762 (lack of ramp space).

Jeff

 
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RE: What's The Deal With Bur?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 9:18 am

First we should wait for the economy to rise. After that though, I could see Continental possibly starting BUR-EWR on the 737-700. They should be able to get at least 757s off fine for transcons, as SNA can pull it off to ATL and EWR (I think) on the 757, and BUR has its runways longer than SNA's 5700 ft strip.

Jeff
 
aio86
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RE: What's The Deal With Bur?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 10:00 am

If anyone's been to BUR recently (which I'm sure you have Jeff) you'd realize there is no space at BUR for any new carriers. I'm sure Aloha will be using United's gates and maybe check in counters too. I don't know how realistic it'd be for Continental to start up opps for the first time at BUR. I suppose they could use America West's space but it seems that they almost always have planes on the ground there. Especially seeing as they only have one or two gates. Do CO and HP share space at any other airports? PHX? LAS? IAH? EWR? CLE?

SNA's flights to EWR go on 737-700s of CO. There are 757s though flying from SNA to Atlanta, Chicago, San Fransisco, Denver and Dallas on American, United and Delta.

-aio86
 
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RE: What's The Deal With Bur?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 10:00 am

Aloha service to BUR from Hawaii, Woooo Hoooo!, maybe this will be a wake up call for other airlines to start service BUR or for some to re-start. With all this talk for slot space at LGB, perhaps they will look at BUR as well!
Have a nice day!
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FedExHeavy
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RE: What's The Deal With Bur?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 10:00 am

I don't see why service to the midwest couldn't be successful, since LAX is a bear and ONT might a trek for some. A new airline coming in would probably use the UA gates and AA, maybe HP too, but there doesn't seem to be lot's of time to sit. Maybe Amtran could start service to MDW, I know that's a long shot but it would be cool. What about Delta Connection service, wasn't there service that was supposed to happen between SLC-BUR, but it fell apart because of 9/11?
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planenutz
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RE: What's The Deal With Bur?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 10:13 am

I had read somewhere, years ago, that BUR is "capacity controlled" (similar to slot controlled at other airports) for two reasons. First, its proximity to residential areas on all four sides, and seond, because one of the runways is technically too close to the terminal building. The FAA granted BUR a waiver for the latter years ago under certain conditions.

So, I'm thinking that ALoha is able to start its new service to Hawaii because one of the other carriers at BUR dropped a flight, freeing up capacity.



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