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Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:30 pm

The photo taken by Civil Aviation Resource Net of China (CARNOC) forum's registered user -- Boeing 744; Details written by Airliners.net forum's registered user --CARNOC. Copyright protected!

The following photo (you need to click hyperlink, thanks) shows Air China flight CA922 (on 5 March, 2002 and Shanghai -- Beijing section) economy class passengers' dinner. On CA922 (Shanghai -- Beijing section), there were two types of dinner meals could be selected by economy class passengers and the below picture shows one of them.

http://www.carnoc.com/bbs3000/image/list/upphoto9615.jpg

According to the above picture and information from Air China officer, dinner goods are listed below:

Hot Meal: Soya chicken rice plus rape (a European plant with yellow flowers, grown as animal food and for the oil produced from its seeds, and it is edible)

Others: Sauced cucumber with ham plus roasted tomato; Bread with ANCHOR butter (New Zealand-produced)

Fruit: Watermelon

Drinks: Spring Water, Coca-Cola, Sprite, Fanta, Orange Juice, Apple Juice, Coffee, Chinese Tea and many more...
 
TNboy
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:35 pm

I'll probably be flying this sector in a few months, so dinner will be...interesting. Actually it's not too different to many other carriers' domestic offerings. Tell me, does the extensive range of beverages actually stretch to something a bit more interesting, like beer or wine??
Bill
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carnoc
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:40 pm

Firstly, thanks for your reply.

At the moment, I'm unsure abou your question, but I heard from some Chinese airline carriers officers said that they will probably prepare to add beer and wine on some flights for passengers, but it may costs you some cash unless you're going to fly on First or Business class.
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:50 pm

Paying for alcohol in Y on domestic carriers is fine - it's just nice to know it's available, especially on a dinner flight. Hopefully they will supply local products as well as international.
Thanks for the quick response, and good luck to Air China in its efforts to upgrade meals.
Bill
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carnoc
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Thank You, TNboy!

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:56 pm

Once again, thanks for your regard to Air China.

In fact, China's carriers offered alcohol products on their domestic flights before, but there were some passengers drank too much and caused some serious cases, so most of Chinese airline carriers stops to offer beer and wine.

However, there're some permitted domestic flights are still operating alcohol nowadays and most Chinese carriers prepares to add this service soon.
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 1:06 am

I flew on Air China last year from Beijing to Nanchang and back and the dinners were just about exactly like the picture. I liked it very much, but my Chinese-born colleague did not think much of it.

One of the planes, by the way, was a brand new 737-800 -- although 100% full, it turned out to be a very pleasant 2-hour flight. The f/a's were busy, but very friendly and attentive.

Incidentally, my opinion of China has really changed since that trip -- for the better.

Pete
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 1:55 am

I hope one day CA get to fly internationally into Taiwan (as well as other mainland Chinese airlines). How far away are we from that day, Carnoc?

Jimmy

Man if this happens I'll be booking myself on the very very first flight of the Taiwan-China nonstop route! Witnessing history!

 
carnoc
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Delta-flyer & Air Taiwan

Sun Apr 07, 2002 2:33 am

Delta-flyer, after I saw your reply, I called my friends who are currently working for Air China as cabin crews and they proved that the meal (as picture shows) operated for at least 8 years or even more, but as you said that passengers sends their good comment on it to Air China, so that Soya Chicken meal are still operating on Air China flights as specialised dinner meal for all three classes' passengers.

Air Taiwan, it is really nice to see your post. You said that you wish we could see each others' airline flights to operate service between China and Taiwan. I hope it could becomes true earlier and earlier.

I have many Taiwanese friends, everytime they come to China, they have to fly to Hong Kong or Macao first, it wastes a lot of time and money. Why could not we have direct operations between China and Taiwan?

Anyway, I'm just waiting for the day that first flight to operate between China and Taiwan.

In fact, there is an interesting post in Civil Aviation Resource Net of China's forum about direct service between China and Taiwan and some related things. If your browser could visit Mandarin, welcome to have a look. The web address is http://www.carnoc.com (CARNOC Homepage) or http://www.carnoc.com/bbs.htm (CARNOC BBS Homepage)
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 2:37 am

That looks yummy! (from a semi-Chinese person's point of view) I am glad Air China are making efforts to improve on-board food. Will they be improving the in-flight entertainment anytime soon?
Thanks for sharing that with us by the way!  Smile

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carnoc
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Airbus_A340

Sun Apr 07, 2002 2:50 am

Thanks for your post firstly.

At the moment, Air China is trying to improve its newest jets inflight entertainment system on First Class and Business Class, they're adding PTVs, improving inflight reading materials, adding audio channels (this improvement is also available on some jets' Economy Class). Also, Air China reset First Class and Business Class seats on some aircrafts just to give passengers more space.

However, because the expenses of improving inflight entertainment system on their jets, Air China will not add PTVs and some other entertainment articles on Economy Class of most Air China's aircrafts!
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 3:47 am

Looks like your standard airline meal !!
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carnoc
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Jaysit

Sun Apr 07, 2002 4:04 am

Thanks for your interested in my post, but I don't clearly understand your reply.

What you mean? You mean Air China's meal is disgusting or you mean something else?

Could you just please explain your meaning to me, thanks!

Also, for a carrier like Air China, I do think the food is OK enough for economy class passengers on a domestic flight (the picture was took on a flight from Shanghai to Beijing).

As a frequent flyer in Asia-Pacific region, I personally think that Air China onboard catering service is even better than some well-known carriers' domestic catering service such as Qantas Airways etc.

However, I agree that Air China could not compare with Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines, Japan Airlines, Cathay Pacific Airways and those more advanced carriers, but Air China is doing hard to improving its meals for passengers.
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 4:16 am

Carnoc.... the meal was excellent, especially considering it was on a domestic flight. It may look like airline food (and why not, it has to fit on a tray!), but it tasted really good. Don't listen to the distractors!

Pete
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carnoc
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Delta-flyer

Sun Apr 07, 2002 4:22 am

Thanks for your support!

The meal is successful for more than 8 years on Air China's flights and it actually indicates that the food is great and it also tastes good!

As I saw the picture again, I just want to get on an Air China's flight right now, because I haven't experienced its service for almost three months!
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 5:38 am

Doesn't look very tasty, then again airline foods are never delicious anyway!
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carnoc
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JAL

Sun Apr 07, 2002 1:19 pm

For different persons, everyone has the different taste.

As you said, maybe you don't like this meal, that's your opinion, I could not deny anything.

However, as my personal experience, Air China sometimes offers high quality meals to its Economy Class passengers, even once I found that its domestic service was better than all other international carriers I've flown with, inclu. SIA (surely reduced quality within the last half year), JAL, MAS and others which people think are outstanding standard airlines.

Also, as I said in the earlier posts, the meal is successful for more than 8 years on Air China's flights and it actually indicates that the food is great and it also tastes good.

However, I know that there are improvements for Air China and I'm not working for Air China at all, but Air China could get the highest public supports nationwide in China (according to the newest survey powered by CAAC), because it is China's flag carrier, it has one of the top safety records in world's airline industry and it is the airline knows what is the future if they don't work hard to attract more passengers and improve Air China's service standard.
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 1:43 pm

I've never flown on any Asian carrier, so I can't really comment on how their food tastes.

However, I can say that the meal in the picture looks good to eat - and it does indeed look more heaped with food than some Western carriers I've been on.

Is the sauced cucumber spicy? It looks a lot like what I had with salmon marinated with Indonesian soy sauce in a popular restaurant chain in Western Canada. The whole thing, cucumber with the salmon is one of my favorite meals from that restaurant.

I hope Air China will one day soon be ranked with the same good reputation the great airlines like Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines have.
 
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Samurai777

Sun Apr 07, 2002 1:49 pm

Samurai777, thanks for your interesting reply.

As you questioned, I did ask some passengers who were on that flight and they told me that the sauced cucumber is just a little bit spicy, I reckon that most Chinese passengers could not accept foods which are really spicy.
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 1:49 pm

does the extensive range of beverages actually stretch to something a bit more interesting, like beer or wine

TNboy, why do you have to taint every thread with your obsessive preoccupation with alcohol?

The meal looks fine to me. In the USA, we don't get meals in economy any more. Soon, we probably will not have seats either, so, Air China is already superior in terms of inflight service than American carriers.

kind regards,

RogueTrader

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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 2:03 pm

RT: I'll drink to that!
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 2:26 pm

Hahahahah!
good one
 
carnoc
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RogueTrader

Sun Apr 07, 2002 2:32 pm

Thank you and I'm glad to see your post here.

I know that a lot of western carriers stops to offer onboard catering service for cutting their costs.

However, in China, the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) regulation says that for all flights' flying time within 1 hour, carriers should operates economy class passengers a pack of peanuts (could be other snacks) plus at least 6 choices of drinks (for domestic flights), more than 8 choices of drinks (for international flights);

For all flights' flying time between 1 hour 30 minutes and 2 hours, carriers should serves cakes (muffins, sandwichs, breads or other similar foods) to all economy class passengers and at least 6 choices of drinks (for domestic flights), more than 8 choices of drinks (for international flights);

For all flights' flying time between 2 hour 30 minutes and 3 hours, carriers must offers at least 1 hot meal on economy class and at least 6 choices of drinks (for domestic flights), more than 8 choices of drinks (for international flights);

For all flights' flying time more than 6 hours, carriers must serves two hot meals to all economy class passengers and at least 6 choices of drinks (for domestic flights), more than 8 choices of drinks (for international flights);

However, the above regulation is only effective for all China-based airline carriers, it is not necessary for foreign airlines (inclu. HK [SAR], Macao [SAR] carriers) who serves China. Also, there're also a few exceptions for Chinese carriers about this regulation.

Also, as I know, Air China is now also testing to operate three types of meals for its Economy Class passengers.

On Air China's flight CA929 (Tokyo -- Shanghai sector), sometimes Economy Class passengers could have three choices. As some Air China's cabin crews told me that three choices are traditional Japanese food, western-style chicken rice plus fresh vegatables, western-style beef rice plus fresh vegatables, all those three choices offers fruit (usually watermelon), salad and more than several drinking choices (inclu. beer and sometimes wine).
 
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RE: RogueTrader

Sun Apr 07, 2002 2:40 pm

Thanks Carnoc. Interesting that it's state regulated.
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RE: RogueTrader

Sun Apr 07, 2002 3:14 pm

Hi Carnoc, can you please email me. I want to discuss some things with you but I'm not sure if I want to email to the "CARNOC" email address in your profile... it's to an organisation...

Thanks,

Jimmy
 
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Air Taiwan

Sun Apr 07, 2002 3:20 pm

You could send Emails to emanager@carnoc.com and I will be able to receive your Emails.
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 6:15 pm

Hey,

that sure looks better than pretzels! How often do you get food like that on domestic flights in the US huh? Nil!
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carnoc
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Air China New Flyer

Sun Apr 07, 2002 6:20 pm

A few days ago, I edited a new flyer (please click link below) for Air China, it uses several images designed by Air China IT Department.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/carnoc/Air%20China.bmp

How do you think about it? Could you please give me some comments or suggestion.
 
Air Taiwan
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RE: Air China New Flyer

Sun Apr 07, 2002 9:28 pm

carnoc, i can't see the pic!!
 
carnoc
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RE: Air China New Flyer

Sun Apr 07, 2002 10:22 pm

Air Taiwan, thanks for your reply. I've just deleted the picture from the old address I mentioned before.

Now, please visit http://home.iprimus.com.au/carnoc/CAFLYER.bmp for Air China's new flyer which I edited.

If you still unable to see picture, please reply my post and leave your email address.
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 10:52 pm

The first and (maybe) the last time I flew Air China was back in June 1998. From Xian to Beijing. I was lucky enough to be the Business. I was too young to remember anything. But from a photo and my dad took the seats look comfy!
 
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RE: Photo Of Air China Onboard Dinner

Sun Apr 07, 2002 11:05 pm

That meal description sounds tasty and the pic looks tasty aswell. All this on a Shanghai-Beijing flight? that's incredible!

Good work by Air China!

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carnoc
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Arsenal@LHR

Sun Apr 07, 2002 11:19 pm

Firstly, thanks for your reply.

However, on Shanghai -- Beijing route, Air China is not only operating that meal for economy passengers, there're several other styles as well.

Also, some Air China's flights is not operating hot meal if the flights are not cross breakfast, lunch and dinner time. For those flights, they will only give economy class passengers snacks and drinks, usually sweet cakes, muffins and some others.
 
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Carnoc & Air Taiwan

Sun Apr 07, 2002 11:26 pm

First of all, good to see Air China improving the meals onboard. I've never flown Air China but I've heard that they're pretty good servicewise.

I agree that it would be great for direct flights to resume between Taiwan & China. I think it's an eventuality but let's not argue over politics here  Smile I too would love to be on the first flight, most likely Beijing-Taipei  Smile

Thanks
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9V-SVE

Sun Apr 07, 2002 11:30 pm

9V-SVE, glad to see your post here.

As you said, last time you flew with Air China was nearly 4 years ago and you were too young to remember things.

However, if you have a chance, you could actually have a try to fly with Air China again and I'm sure that you'll get a new and great view, although Air China could not compare to other world's leading carriers, but at least they're trying to improve their services and products.
 
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RE: Carnoc & Air Taiwan

Sun Apr 07, 2002 11:34 pm

Hkg82, once again, I'm pleased to see your reply.

As you said, I actually wish to see someone launch direct service between China and Taiwan too and I'm sure that I will very, very, very happy to onboard the first flight between us.