TriStar500
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Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 3:51 pm

Hi everybody,
I tried to find information about this with the search engine, but there was none. So here goes my question:
Does anyone have an idea, how many of the former AA 717's have already been sold/ leased to new operators?

Maybe we can put together an overview.

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FlagshipAZ
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 11:28 pm

I believe that 6 or 8 ex-TWA(AA) 717s are in the process of being leased to Qantas Link. These particular airframes are owned by Pembroke Aviation. The other 22-24 717s arre owned by Boeing. No comfimation yet whether they will go to Midwest Express and/or Air Tran. Regards.
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 2:16 am

24 of the AA Boeing B717-200 were leased from Boeing Capital, 6 from Penbroke. The six Pembroke aircraft have been leased to Qantas Link/Impulse starting this June, none of the 24 Boeing Capital ones has been placed to date.

This is somewhat a nightmare for Boeing as it has a big impact on the B717 production line which is already running below break-even as customers (or better: potential customers) could pick up the leased birds at lower prices much faster than new ones. Rumour is that Boeing will terminate production after frame 135.

Currently I don´t see any new customer for this bird as - probably - Midwest Express who still officially has to confirm its order.

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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 5:23 am

I believe Northern Airlines/Destiny Airlines will be looking at the 717. Not sure if they'll be new or used or even if Northern/Destiny ever startsup.

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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 4:00 pm

Northern Airlines is looking at 25 aircraft for startup in early 2004. IMO these will be new ones if Northern ever gets of the ground...
 
TriStar500
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 8:03 pm

Northern Airlines? never heard of them. I suppose they intend to become some sort of domestic US operator?
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 11:33 pm

Yes, based in Syracuse New York.

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uvalencia
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:17 am

I wish I could see some of those 717 replacing the aging Aeromexico's DC-9 but I guess that would not be a good decision in a long term basis since Boeing has decided to end the production.

Anyway, does Air Tran has ordered more 717, how many of them do they have?
 
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:30 am

Uvalencia, you are wrong: Boeing has decided NOT to stop the production of the 717.
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 9:02 am

airtran has converted 10 options to firm orders they have 40 more options and as the econamy gets better they will convert more. maybe all 40!
 
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 9:20 am

Correct, Airtran now has 60 firm orders.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
critter
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Wed Apr 24, 2002 12:27 pm

Check out this web site for lease information on the ex-TWA 717's http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airtrade/minispec/55058.pdf

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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Wed Apr 24, 2002 6:38 pm

*Very* interesting link, Critter!

>> "Currently I don´t see any new customer for this bird as - probably - Midwest Express who still officially has to confirm its order."
Midwest Express already has confirmed this order last week: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/q2/nr_020415g.html

 
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Thu Apr 25, 2002 1:50 am

Boeing is trying to sell or lease about 4-5 of this aircraft to Vuelamex who has again ask the mexican authority for a licence to start operations.
 
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RE: Ex-AA 717: New Operators?

Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:24 am

These 717's would replace perfectly the old DC-9's AM plans on retiring soon, the problem I see is that AM also operates other higher capacity MD-80's that could not be replaced by the 717's, and there are no signs of Boeing developing other variants of this airframe.
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