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VLM Drops Geneva And Starts Antwerp-Manchester

Tue Apr 09, 2002 3:25 am

VLM announced they will stop flying the Antwerp - Geneva route for economical reasons.

In stead they will start flying as of 01/05 from Antwerp to Manchester via Rotterdam ( the Rotterdam - Manchester route is currently already operated by VLM )

A littlebit contradictory to older 'news' they only announced some weeks ago.

Does somebody knows when they will start the Antwerp - Amsterdam route ? What aircraft ? What frequency ?
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RE: VLM Drops Geneva And Starts Antwerp-Manchester

Tue Apr 09, 2002 3:30 am


Sad News! And 2nd BIG hit for Geneva in the one day (Swisswings) And this despite them raving numerous times how good their GVA route was doing.

Ah well, what can you do?

Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
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RE: VLM Drops Geneva And Starts Antwerp-Manchester

Tue Apr 09, 2002 5:27 am

The article below states that:

- There was too much pressure on the ticket prices on the BRU-GVA route, due to high competition.
- VLM will operate 2 daily flights to MAN
- VLM will cooperate with the Dutch airline TTA, for connecting flights to Birmingham and Hamburg out of Rotterdam, which VLM will use as a little hub.

VLM vliegt wel naar Manchester, niet meer naar Genève


ANTWERPEN - De luchtvaartmaatschappij VLM Airlines vliegt vanaf 1 mei dagelijks tweemaal heen en terug van Antwerpen naar Manchester, via Rotterdam. Zo staat in een mededeling van VLM. Tegelijkertijd zet de maatschappij vanaf 22 april de retourvluchten tussen Brussel en Genève stop ,,om economische redenen''. De prijzenslag op deze bestemming bleek te groot.

,,Manchester is een veelgevraagde zakelijke bestemming'', aldus woordvoerder Peter Bary. Bovendien ziet VLM Airlines potentieel in de toeristische mogelijkheden van de stad en haar achterland.

De verbinding met Manchester verloopt via Rotterdam Airport, dat VLM als een 'hub' (knooppunt, nvdr) wil inschakelen. Passagiers die dat willen kunnen zo in Rotterdam overstappen op een andere vlucht. Hierdoor kan VLM vanuit Antwerpen ook verbindingen met Birmingham en Hamburg aanbieden, met de Nederlandse luchtvaartmaatschappij TTA.

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RE: VLM Drops Geneva And Starts Antwerp-Manchester

Tue Apr 09, 2002 7:57 am

Nice to hear.
Now hoping they will promote launch-fares to MAN because it looks to me that out of BRU, BMI is unbeatable (if you want a descent trip and good connections).
Ryanair is unbeatable but the trip BRU-DUB-MAN would take you almost a whole day and depending what time you travel, your ticket will get even more expensive than flying out of BRU !
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RE: VLM Drops Geneva And Starts Antwerp-Manchester

Tue Apr 09, 2002 9:19 pm


Doesn't offer SN BA a descent trip on Bru-Manchester???
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RE: VLM Drops Geneva And Starts Antwerp-Manchester

Tue Apr 09, 2002 9:57 pm

What is with the Antwerpen-Zurich plans of VLM?
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RE: VLM Drops Geneva And Starts Antwerp-Manchester

Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:32 pm

Stating that they stopped flying to Geneva because of high competition is absolutely rediculous.

Before Sabena's failure only Sabena (in codeshare with Crossair(?) and Swissair) flew the route from BRU.
Now SN BA flies the route(until recently in a codeshare with Crossair). And VEX also flies the route now.

By a ticket to Geneva and you will quickly find out what the prices are like. I went to Geneva last month on a one day trip. Had to take SN BA because they were the only ones that offered flights that fitted my agenda. Price for an economy ticket just under € 1000!!!!

My guess is, SN BA told VLM to drop the route. VLM has started flights from BRU after Sabena's collapse and codeshares now with BRU on some routes. So, SN BA can show its muscles and scare little VLM so that they drop GVA (ticket prices to Geneva are much higher then on other comparable flights), so undoubtfully SN BA prefers to win back the VLM passengers to GVA.
That VLM will fly tan MAN instead SN BA probably couldn't care less. Who wants to go to MAN via Rotterdam anyway when there are direct flights from BRU (with SN BA and BA).
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RE: VLM Drops Geneva And Starts Antwerp-Manchester

Wed Apr 10, 2002 1:20 am

mmm... routes to Switzerland are mainly premium and traffic to BRU from selected cities is high yield too (corps diplo). When they started the route I couldn't figure out why a pap would worm himself in a 50seater tomatocan. Guess same goes for VEX on a different stand. Paps doen't go lowcost... So they axed ZRH...
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RE: VLM Drops Geneva And Starts Antwerp-Manchester

Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:29 am

If I was VLM and would considering flying to Switzerland I would try EuroAirport ( Basel-Mulhouse-Fribourg). Probably from Brussels in cooperation with SN BA.
Small airport serving 3 cities in 3 countries all with a lot of industry.

I think THAT is the market for VLM.
Not competing with big carriers to big airports.

That is why I can understand they are dropping Geneva but don't understand they are starting to fly to Manchester from Antwerp with a stop-over in Rotterdam ?? They have competition from SN BA and BM, both flying directly from Brussels to Manchester in jets ! They want to start the route Antwerp-Amsterdam and now they would also fly to Rotterdam ?? I really don't see how they can find enough paasengers to make this a success !

In stead of fighting with SN BA, they could be very good partners. VLM only operates small planes and could operate together with SN BA flight from Brussels to some destinations where the AVRO's are to big ( passengers or even airport ). In the past Sabena had some Dash and ATR ( operated by Schreiner ) flying. I think there can be some business there. Maybe not all routes or with the same frequency like then. But some routes, 2 - 3 flights a day operated by a VLM F50 could work out just fine.
They already working together to London City and I hope that more destinations will follow.

Let the big ones ( BA and BM in the UK, KLM in Holland, LH in Germany, SN BA in Belgium ) do the big routes, there are plenty of routes left for VLM where those big guys are happy to cooperate with them ( fe the London City routes to Rotterdam ( KLM UK ) , Brussels ( SN-BA ) and Luxembourg ( Luxair )

Maybe with the collapse of Swissair and SwissWings there are possibilities as well.

But I hope they don't make the same mistake like a lot of others did. They saw it big, bigger then they coud handle and ... they didn't make it.

VLM is doing just fine, just keep on doing where they are good at. There is nothing wrong flying smaller planes to smaller airports ...

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