Kuba74
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Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:44 pm

What is the policy of world`s major airlines considered as "national carriers" in hiring foreign pilots? I suppose there are some EU regulations that forbid this sort of discrimination but I`m not quite sure. Is this the part of nation`s pride to employ only native pilots?
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:51 pm

EU and US regulations I might add. And Australian, Brasilian, Chinese etc etc etc.

Not that it's impossible - a European airline will happily take on anybody who is from te European Union (provide he/she is qualified for the job).

Another hurdle is licencing; even if an American would have te right to work in Europe, he/she would not get a job as long as that person would have no European license.
 
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:54 pm

A lot of Asian airlines, for example, have British, Australian and New Zealand crews, among others. SQ has crews from a number of nationalities. Following the pilots strike in Australia some years ago, the flight crew announcements started coming over in European and American accents, and still did, on Ansett anyway, until very recently. Air Pacific used QF crerws until local crews took over, etc., etc.
I think most national carriers would probably like to employ predominantly local crews, but, depending on the size of the airline, it's not often a realistic proposition, at least in the short term. I imagine it's not an issue in countries such as the USA, Britain, etc.?
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:00 pm

In US you need a green card and american license. an fluent english of course. Same with Canada.

I dont really know how is it in Europe, but i am quite sure they all hire only native pilots.

CX used to hire foreigners, but not anymore.
Emirates is the only major airline that hires foreign pilots ( as far as I know), but that may change soon too.
 
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:05 pm

I have heard BA longhaul pilots with American and Australian accents.

Emirates has mostly foreign pilots.
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:35 pm



As long as you are a nationality of a country which is member in the EU - you can apply for an airline in the EU. For example , I am austrian and could apply for Lufthansa.
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:46 pm

On my flights with SQ, the pilots mostly had a british accent but I´ve seen asian people in their cockpits as well.
I know that there are a couple of foreign pilots flying for Lufthansa City Line and I´m sure that, like GRZ-AIR already mentioned, there is no reason why an austrian or dutch pilot wouldn´t be able to get hired by BA, LH or AF.

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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:12 am

In the United States it is illegal to discriminate unfairly because of nationality. I believe this is also the case in most democratized nations.
 
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Fri Apr 12, 2002 5:38 am

Many European carriers have pilots from all over the world, provided that their license is valid in the respective home country of the airline. Our company has people from many places in Europe, but also from the USA or South Africa for example. There is normally no such thing that for example a Lufthansa pilot must be German, I guess however that it is a prerequesite to speak the national language.
 
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Fri Apr 12, 2002 7:35 am

Gulfstream has a great many foreigners from countries where there is not much emphasis placed on bathing and hygiene.
 
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Fri Apr 12, 2002 7:49 am

Due to the issues KE had, they have a sizable ex-pat contingent as well. But I think it is decreasing as more civilian trained Korean pilots come on-line.

It seemed to me like KE kept the foreigners on the cargo flights and out of the public's eye...anyone else notice that with them or other national carriers using foreign crews?

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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:49 pm

JAL started with aircraft and flight crew from Pan Am. Even now, you occasionally see American or other Western tech crew on JAL flights.

The 4 times I've flown SQ, the captain has ALWAYS been British or Australian, or sure sounded like one on the PA!
 
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:03 pm

I think the US' first black pilot actually started his career flying for EL AL in the 1950s.

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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:05 pm

Well all CX captain is Foreginer.
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Sat Apr 13, 2002 12:24 am

Also remember that many people from the former colonies of the United Kingdom may sound British especially to American ears. I'm British and live in the USA and I get asked at least three times a day "What part of Australia are you from?". Listening to a pilots accent on the PA is not necessarily an indicator of nationality.
 
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Sat Apr 13, 2002 6:40 am

When their first 777s were delivered, Cathays 777 fleet manager was a Kiwi.
Parra, I can relate to that.
I'm a New Zealander and because of my complexion, I've been mistaken for a Puerto Rican in Honolulu, and due to my accent, for a Brit there as well (although my father comes from Manchester).  Smile
 
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RE: Foreign Pilots In National Airlines

Sat Apr 13, 2002 9:27 am

Parra- it's got nothing to do with discrimination and all to do with work permits. You just can't rock up to another country and expect to live there if you are not a citizen of that country (exceptions: Australia and New Zealand, the EU). However, if an airline has a shortage of pilots and needs to sponsor foreigners, then that's a different matter.

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